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For the record:
Actually for the record:
28 March 2018: Misleads that Z-machine experiments have "electrical discharges from plasma pinches"
Read his source Sandia's Z Facility Achieves First Fusion and see no electrical discharges from the plasma pinches. There are "electrical discharges illuminate the surface of the Z machine, the world's most powerful X-ray source, during a recent accelerators shot", i.e. outside of the machine :doh:!
What seems to be happening is that the high levels of electricity used to run the machine are basically creating lightning on the outside of the machine. Maybe arcing between connections?

This is cherry picking of the term "electrical discharges" in a single science article.
No electrical discharges at Wikipedia: Z Pulsed Power Facility. There are discharges of capacitors in the plasma in the Z-machine.
No electrical discharges at Sandia: How Does the Z Machine Work?
 
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The Sun is a plasma diffuser that sorts atoms by mass paper by O. Manuel, S. A. Kamat, M. Mozina (Michael) does not stop with physical insanity or nuclear insanity.

Fig 1. shows that the authors are abysmally ignorant about the Sun to the point that "solar insanity" is not inappropriate.
"The top section is a "running difference" image of the Sun's iron-rich sub-surface from the Trace satellite using a 171 Å filter sensitive to Fe (IX) and Fe (X) emissions. A movie of a flare and mass ejection from this region of AR 9143 on 28 August 2000 is here...".
The photosphere is the surface of the Sun where light escapes from the solar interior. There is no light emitted from below the photosphere (the implied "sub-surface").
The top third of the Sun is the convection zone where plasma is mixed up, is the same composition as photospheric plasma and cannot be "iron-rich".
This is a lie about the paper title since any "iron-rich sub-surface" will be sorted to be within the body of the Sun not close to the surface.
The TRACE spacecraft is the Transition Region And Corona Explorer. Many images will of light from the solar atmosphere (transition region and corona), not the surface. This is confirmed by the use of the 171 Å filter detecting light from only Fe ions in mostly hydrogen plasma that have lost 9 electrons and are at temperatures > 160,000 K.
Flares and mass ejections happen above the surface of the Sun :doh:!

"The bottom section has a grid system to show rotation (left to right) of the Sun’s rigid, iron-rich structure over a 5-day period of 1-5 June 2005 in four images from the SOHO satellite using a 195 Å filter that is also sensitive to Fe (XII) emission" is even worse.
A 195 Å filter gives images of light from Fe XII ions at temperatures > 500,000 K, i.e. well into the solar corona!
What we see is running difference images of "structures" in the solar atmosphere , probably solar prominences: "A prominence forms over timescales of about a day and may persist in the corona for several weeks or months"

Citing a web site that includes the statement "The surface crust of the sun is mostly made of iron" with an image of a meteorite is part of what turns solar ignorance into solar insanity.

A "Further discussion of these images will be postponed until the experimental basis has been presented for concluding that the Sun acts as a plasma diffuser, hiding its iron-rich interior beneath a veneer of lightweight elements." lie. This is the last discussion of the images!

There is a description of meteorites and literature on their composition as remnants of supernova. This is not evidence of the Sun acting as a plasma diffuser.
That ends with a statement of their fantasy: "The Sun formed on the collapsed core of a supernova (Fig. 2) and consists mostly of elements (See right side, Fig. 7) produced in the SN interior – Fe, O, Ni, Si, and S [22]"
P.S. Fig 2. Adds that rocky planets form in an "Fe-rich" part of the SN and gas planets formed in "outer SM layers".

Two authors working at the University of Missouri, Rolla, US and someone on the Internet have not bothered to learn about the Sun and stars.
The mixing of the convective zone of the Sun means that the outer third of the Sun is 73.46% H and 24.85 He. The inner radiative zone has static plasma and no evidence of having a different composition. Thus the entire Sun is mostly H and He.
The mass of the Sun should be higher than 1 solar mass with a massively denser plasma of mostly "Fe, O, Ni, Si, and S". This is a vital calculation the authors miss out.
Stars actually form from molecular clouds of H and He with only traces of other elements. This was well established in 2005 and better established today. Recently we took images of planets in a young system clearing out their orbit.
The composition of supernova is not that of meteorites!
There is an implication of every star forming this way but supernova are rare. The vast majority of stars end up as white dwarfs. Alternately this is special pleading for the Sun alone when the Sun is a common star.
 
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Actually your entire theory about how stars form is dead.

Your theory falsified, ours confirmed.
Actually this thread is not about the logical fallacy of false dichotomy or lies about science :doh:!
On one hand we have 13 years of a ignorant to the point of delusion solar model.
On the other hand we have the theory and physical evidence that supports the mainstream solar model.
On the third hand we have a lie about Herschel views deep-space pearls on a cosmic string
Herschel has delivered spectacular vistas of cold gas clouds lying near the plane of the Milky Way, revealing intense, unexpected activity. The dark, cool region is dotted with stellar factories, like pearls on a cosmic string.
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The images reveal structure in cold material in our Galaxy, as we have never seen it before, and even before a detailed analysis, scientists have gleaned information on the quantity of the material, its mass, temperature, composition and whether it is collapsing to form new stars.
(my emphasis of the lie)
This is another observation that may support the already obvious fact that molecular clouds collapse to form stars.

It is a lie that the electric idiocy is a theory. In science, theory does not mean ignorant about science fantasies delivered via lying YouTube videos.
Scientific theory
A scientific theory is an explanation of an aspect of the natural world that can be repeatedly tested, in accordance with the scientific method, using a predefined protocol of observation and experiment.[1][2] Established scientific theories have withstood rigorous scrutiny and embody scientific knowledge.[3]

The definition of a scientific theory (often contracted to "theory" for the sake of brevity) as used in the disciplines of science is significantly different from the common vernacular usage of the word "theory".[4][Note 1] In everyday speech, "theory" can imply that something is an unsubstantiated and speculative guess,[4] the opposite of its meaning in science. These different usages are comparable to the opposing usages of "prediction" in science versus everyday speech, where it denotes a mere hope.

The first video is the Thunderbolt Project. I have documented some of their ignorance, delusions and lies at ISF years ago. 10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. The video narrator is Wal Thornhill who has been lying about confirmed Deep Impact prediction for 13 years! Wal Thornhill lies about the Herschel observation which is about "a reservoir of cold gas in the constellation of the Southern Cross near the Galactic Plane", not throughout the galaxy.

The second video is the usual Thunderbolts idiocy of "we must be right with ignorant delusions because an imagined mystery". From 2013: Astronomers Discover Extremely Rare Type Ibn Supernova
The finding suggests that the host galaxy might be hiding a star factory, allowing it to form massive stars where none were expected. Alternatively, PS1-12sk might have an entirely different origin such as a collision of two white dwarfs, one of which was helium-rich.

The third video is "Astronomers Have No Idea How Planets Form" lies from Wal Thornhill (what a surprise!). Thornhill lies about a paper in Nature. Astronomy: Planets in chaos is a news feature in Nature. The author writes about well known astrophysics. When we just had the Solar System as an example, core accretion alone was a good match to how planets formed. We now have many exoplanets in other solar systems. They show that it is core accretion + interactions between planets + planetary migration that is a good match to how planets formed.
 
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A reminder to myself for the next thing that makes the solar model bad: Looks like no source for the Sun's magnetic field.
The Sun has a magnetic field with measured properties, e.g. flips every 11 years or so, can have multiple north and/or south poles. This is consistent with a solar dynamo in the convection zone.

But maybe Michael has a coherent and supported source for the solar magnetic field in his model - Michael?
 
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Actually this thread is not about the logical fallacy of false dichotomy or lies about science :doh:!
On one hand we have 13 years of a ignorant to the point of delusion solar model.
On the other hand we have the theory and physical evidence that supports the mainstream solar model.
On the third hand we have a lie about Herschel views deep-space pearls on a cosmic string

(my emphasis of the lie)
This is another observation that may support the already obvious fact that molecular clouds collapse to form stars.
Except as noted the amount of matter under your theory has been observed to be far short of what you require, because your stupid gravitational collapse when we are discussing a universe 99.9% plasma fails miserably.

Just admit your theorists have no clue about plasma.

https://phys.org/news/2017-05-star-forming-filaments.html

"but the exact ways in which filaments form, make stars, and finally dissipate are not understood. The number of new stars that develop, for example, varies widely between filaments for reasons that are not known."

And will never be known by idiot theorists that ignore plasma behavior. But filaments in plasma is a well known laboratory process for the last 200 years. Get with the times RC and stop using outdated theory.



It is a lie that the electric idiocy is a theory. In science, theory does not mean ignorant about science fantasies delivered via lying YouTube videos.
Scientific theory
The only lie is you. but then thats why you are unable to contest the actual facts. Just double-talk, that's all you are.

The first video is the Thunderbolt Project. I have documented some of their ignorance, delusions and lies at ISF years ago. 10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc. The video narrator is Wal Thornhill who has been lying about confirmed Deep Impact prediction for 13 years! Wal Thornhill lies about the Herschel observation which is about "a reservoir of cold gas in the constellation of the Southern Cross near the Galactic Plane", not throughout the galaxy.
You refuted nothing. Just made your usual rants, but never actual addressed the science, because you have none to back you up.

The second video is the usual Thunderbolts idiocy of "we must be right with ignorant delusions because an imagined mystery". From 2013: Astronomers Discover Extremely Rare Type Ibn Supernova
No, the second is one of many that show your super nova models to be so wrong they arent even funny any more.

The third video is "Astronomers Have No Idea How Planets Form" lies from Wal Thornhill (what a surprise!). Thornhill lies about a paper in Nature. Astronomy: Planets in chaos is a news feature in Nature. The author writes about well known astrophysics. When we just had the Solar System as an example, core accretion alone was a good match to how planets formed. We now have many exoplanets in other solar systems. They show that it is core accretion + interactions between planets + planetary migration that is a good match to how planets formed.
Except they don't match any of your planetary formation models.

Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says

Every one wrong. Because your still in fantasy land RC. Still ignoring a universe 99.9% plasma, and so your theories will never match what we observe.

Your models work? Please RC, lie to yourself all you like, but not to others.

Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says

Why all we knew about planets is wrong

Shall we continue RC with the observations that continually falsify your models?

New Discovery Casts Doubt on How The Solar System Formed
 
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Except as noted the amount of matter under your theory has been observed to be far short of what you require, because your stupid gravitational collapse when we are discussing a universe 99.9% plasma fails miserably. ...
Some "amount of matter" and "gravitational collapse" gibberish, the "99.9% plasma" electric universe delusion, insults about astrophysicists not having a clue about plasma, "god of the gape" fallacy (gaps in scientific knowledge does not mean ignorant delusions are correct), etc. etc.

If electric stars are a scientific theory then this should be an easy question to answer:
4 April 2018 Justatruthseeker: Give the peer reviewed, published mechanism and evidence for electric star formation.

You do not have to emphasis that the electric universe cranks at Thunderbolts, etc. have the inane delusion that an imaginary universe made of 99.9% plasma is not dominated by gravitation at cosmological scales.
The first thing that plasma science students learn is that plasma is quasi-neutral. This means that there is a Debye length above which plasma by itself acts only as a neutral gas.
4 April 2018 Justatruthseeker: Emphasizes the electric universe ignorance about plasma!
10th April 2015: The ignorance, delusions and lies in the Thunderbolts web site, videos, etc.

4 April 2018 Justatruthseeker: Give the peer reviewed, published sources that "super nova models" are wrong.
That is not a news article stating that the existing supernova model or two supernova models explains Astronomers Discover Extremely Rare Type Ibn Supernova.

4 April 2018 Justatruthseeker
: A "Except they don't match any of your planetary formation models" lie about a 2011 opinion piece.
Three Theories of Planet Formation Busted, Expert Says is Geoffrey Marcy opionion that interactions between planets have not been considered enough.

4 April 2018 Justatruthseeker: A "observations that continually falsify your models" lie.
New Discovery Casts Doubt on How The Solar System Formed does not say that solar system formation models have been falsified. The discovery of the first binary-binary system suggests another solar system formation model is needed for this rare system.
 
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Back to the thread topic of Michael's solar model from the derails of the last few days.
At ISF: 18th May 2010 Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been totally debunked
Michael's solar "model" is 13 years and counting of
  1. An "iron mountain ranges on the Sun" delusion.
  2. Denial of the theory and evidence that the Sun has a convective zone (observed convection cells and from 2012 currents!) and thus no layers in its outer third.
  3. The delusion that taking a running difference of images turns images of a solar flare in the corona (solar atmosphere!) into iron mountain ridges on the Sun's surface.
  4. A lie that some TRACE images of the solar corona thousands of kilometers above the surface of the Sun are "of the sun's surface".
  5. Based on Birkeland's invalid "Sun powered by radioactivity (including fission) + electron emission close to the speed of light" model which is then lied about as being a fusion powered Sun.
  6. A recent fantasy that that Birkeland's "Sun powered by fission radioactivity + electron emission" solar model is valid today leads to a lie that the Planeterrella (a demonstration of his aurora model) is an experiment on Birkeland's solar model.
  7. Ignorant denial of the textbook physics that shows that stars to be have central heat sources or they collapse to white dwarfs (the Sun) or neutron stars or black holes.
  8. A power source for the Sun: A neutron star in the center of the Sun!
    The physical insanity of a neutron star at center of the Sun.
    The nuclear insanity of a neutron star as a power source for the Sun
    Ignorance enough to be "solar insanity" of the O. Manuel, S. A. Kamat, M. Mozina paper
 
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Can we at least use the correct terminology Birkeland Currents?
Missed that sentence which is the electric universe delusion that Birkeland currents appear anywhere that they imagine by denying what Birkeland currents are!
Birkeland current
A Birkeland current is a set of currents that flow along geomagnetic field lines connecting the Earth’s magnetosphere to the Earth's high latitude ionosphere. In the Earth’s magnetosphere, the currents are driven by the solar wind and interplanetary magnetic field and by bulk motions of plasma through the magnetosphere (convection indirectly driven by the interplanetary environment).
Birkeland currents are terrestrial phenomena that needed spacecraft inserted into them to be detected. Birkeland currents should be present when a stellar wind interacts with a planetary magnetic field and perhaps needs a planet with an atmosphere (i.e. an ionosphere).

Here we have electric universe idiocy of Birkeland currents in cold gas clouds lying near the plane of the Milky Way. No stellar winds. No planets. Reliance on a poetic "like pearls on a cosmic string" rather than science.
 
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At ISF: 18th May 2010 Micheal Mozina's iron crust has been totally debunked
Michael's solar "model" is 13 years and counting of
  1. An "iron mountain ranges on the Sun" delusion.
  2. Denial of the theory and evidence that the Sun has a convective zone (observed convection cells and from 2012 currents!) and thus no layers in its outer third.
  3. The delusion that taking a running difference of images turns images of a solar flare in the corona (solar atmosphere!) into iron mountain ridges on the Sun's surface.
  4. A lie that some TRACE images of the solar corona thousands of kilometers above the surface of the Sun are "of the sun's surface".
  5. Based on Birkeland's invalid "Sun powered by radioactivity (including fission) + electron emission close to the speed of light" model which is then lied about as being a fusion powered Sun.
  6. A recent fantasy that that Birkeland's "Sun powered by fission radioactivity + electron emission" solar model is valid today leads to a lie that the Planeterrella (a demonstration of his aurora model) is an experiment on Birkeland's solar model.
  7. Ignorant denial of the textbook physics that shows that stars to be have central heat sources or they collapse to white dwarfs (the Sun) or neutron stars or black holes.
  8. A power source for the Sun: A neutron star in the center of the Sun!
    The physical insanity of a neutron star at center of the Sun.
    The nuclear insanity of a neutron star as a power source for the Sun
    Ignorance enough to be "solar insanity" of the O. Manuel, S. A. Kamat, M. Mozina paper
  9. Electric universe cranks at Thunderbolts and their "power sources" for the Sun as explained in this post.
    Findlay wrote a guide book that states "nuclear fusion-powered stars" are not nuclear fusion-powered which given the observed, not mentioned neutrinos is an insane idea.
    Thornhill's ignorant fantasy of heavy element synthesis in lightning discharges and lie of "fusion creating neutrinos of all flavors".
    Scotts's more reasonable but still ignorant fantasy of z-pinches creating fusion in the photosphere (we do not detect the fusion gamma rays + the Sun collapses to a white dwarf)

 
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Scott's "power source" according to Michael commenting on Brian Koberlein's blog is on page 106 of his book and is
Scott: The neutrino flux from the sun seems to vary inversely with sunspot number...
What happens if we look up the scientific literature for 'neutrino flux sunspot number'?
We find a 1990 paper that seems to be the origin of the correlation between the Homestead results and sunspot numbers.
Variation of the solar neutrino flux with the sun's activity by Bieber, J. W.; Seckel, D.; Stanev, Todor; Steigman, G.
There are later papers that show a stronger correlation with magnetic flux. But then we get no correlation in later papers, e.g.
Absence of Correlation between the Solar Neutrino Flux and the Sunspot Number by Walther, Guenther in 1997.
Correlative Aspects of the Solar Electron Neutrino Flux and Solar Activity by Wilson, Robert M. in 2000.

This is Donald Scott cherry picking results to fit his fantasy of fusion in the photosphere in his 2006 book.
Bieber, J. W.; Seckel, D.; Stanev, Todor; Steigman, G.
 
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More physical evidence against a fantasy of layers in the Sun.
Sunspots also mix up the outer part of the Sun, e.g. Investigation of Mass Flows beneath a Sunspot by Time-Distance Helioseismology by Junwei Zhao, Alexander G. Kosovichev and Thomas L. Duvall, Jr.
This is at least one sunspot basically acting as a giant eggbeater and mixing up the surface of the Sun to a depth of 16,000 km.
 
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I should not look back at old watched threads :D!
A blast from the past (Michael about the Sun from 2012) may be part of his "solar model": Where is the transition region actually located, above or below the surface of the photosphere? Let's take a look at the SDO images and find out!
Let us look at the real Sun where the solar transition region is measured to be above the photosphere! That is simple to understand - block out light from the photosphere and the transition region is the origin of the UV light between the photosphere and corona.

Let us look at what those 171A and 193A SDO images actually contain - light from extremely ionized and hot Fe atoms! This is light from mostly H and He with a trace of Fe plasma > 160,000 K and > 5000,000 K respectively.

That other thread has the "solar flares are electrical discharges" fantasy that started at ISF and seems part of his "solar model".
7th December 2010: Where are Peratt's pages of the physics and mathematics of electrical discharges in plasma?
11th October 2011: Peratt's definition of electrical discharge does not include plasma examples.
18th October 2011: Dungey's 'electric discharge' = high current density in magnetic reconnection

Solar flares on the real Sun are arcades of coronal loops in the solar atmosphere (plasma) that twist and explode in magnetic reconnection.
 
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