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Relevance to the thread?No what we are disturbed about are false accusations of racism.
Relevance to the thread?
I mean, if there is a feeling that calling out racist elements of a group is an attack on the whole group, I guess it kinda goes to my point.
It's kinda like the the people who see calls for "transgenderism" being eliminated as an attack on transgender groups and individuals ... with the big difference being that racism is actually a thing that exists, while "transgenderism" is looking more and more like a euphamism for "transgender people" that lets the speaker weasel out of the criticism of such a stance.
My sense is that some people, including teens, are really helped by gender affirming treatments. My worry tho is that so many young people these days are caught up in a swirl of identity issues which include wondering about their own gender. And so I can absolutely see some kids, were it entirely up them, making terrible choices in this regard.....Which makes transgender a mental health issue and not a biological fact.....
What about the true accusations of racism that the Right won’t address?No what we are disturbed about are false accusations of racism. Which there are a lot of. But you know this.
TransferISM isn't an ideology period. It is a condition, just like dwarfism and gigantism are a conditions.
If the brain is malfunctioning in transgendered individuals and we cannot currently “fix the brain” why is it wrong to “fix the body”?No it's not. You describing a genetic condition of the body. Being transgender is not a genetic condition. It's a feeling. Not even remotely the same.
Transgenderism IS an ideology that is not based in reality and yet seeks to force everyone else to behave as if it is a reality. It seeks to indoctrinate children to believe in it and question their own reality.
You were headed down the right track and then took a bit of a detour.My sense is that some people, including teens, are really helped by gender affirming treatments. My worry tho is that so many young people these days are caught up in a swirl of identity issues which include wondering about their own gender. And so I can absolutely see some kids, were it entirely up them, making terrible choices in this regard.
But for those who biological gender is genuinely the wrong fit, Im not at all sure its mental illness. In fact I think thats dismissive and unhelpful. We should recall that being gay, until not so long ago, was an "official" DSM mental illness. And the suffering caused by that designation was pretty massive. All in all I think we should let people be who they think they are so long as its not destructive to others.
Lets move on from that. As we have been reminded, different topic.What about the true accusations of racism that the Right won’t address?
If the brain is malfunctioning in transgendered individuals and we cannot currently “fix the brain” why is it wrong to “fix the body”?
You’re absolutely correct.Lets move on from that. As we have been reminded, different topic.
This is a rare but fairly well-known condition “apotemnophilia”. People have a brain abnormality and cannot recognize this own body as a part of themselves.If people are hearing things do we remove their ears and inner ear? If people are seeing things do we remove their eyes? If people felt their leg should be an arm should we chop off their leg and sew on a fake arm?
The speaker in question did clarify what it is they're looking for and what they meant by the statement when asked about it:My point was that this attempt to split hairs to weasel out of what this conservative group is calling for falls flat when compared to past messaging by similar groups which intentionally ignored a much more clear distinction in an attempt to make it seem like specific criticisms of very specific right wing ideologies was instead an attack on every GOP voter.
I mean, either we have to be very very specific about exactly what ideas are being discussed, or any criticism of anyone who votes the same was becomes an attack on every single voter in the party. But this flip flopping makes it very hard to believe this defense should be taken seriously.
Recognizing that feeling you are a man when you are a woman or vice versa is a mental health issue and treating it with therapy is a very good start. As far as I know there haven't been any medications that have been discovered to help with that. But serious therapy is a very good start. Because it's my understanding that most transgenders have other comorbidities that they suffer from and most likely are part of their mental health issues. They need help. They don't need affirmation.This is a rare but fairly well-known condition “apotemnophilia”. People have a brain abnormality and cannot recognize this own body as a part of themselves.
Yes, the ethics of allowing obviously “impaired” individuals to make surgery choices is complicated, and not done (so far as I know), treating it with medication and therapy, like some would like to do with all transgender people so that they’ll go away and we can back to being “normal” again!
If the transgendered individuals have sought this mental health care that you seem to think “exists” out in the wild where these people are counseled according to what their body looks like (rather than how they tell the therapist or doctors) so that they can better conform to what the rest of the world sees and after that STILL strongly desire to have body altering surgeries done, what would your modality say to them?Recognizing that feeling you are a man when you are a woman or vice versa is a mental health issue and treating it with therapy is a very good start. As far as I know there haven't been any medications that have been discovered to help with that. But serious therapy is a very good start. Because it's my understanding that most transgenders have other comorbidities that they suffer from and most likely are part of their mental health issues. They need help. They don't need affirmation.
And they don't need all of society to bend over backward for them so they can feel affirmed. We have a member in this board who suffers terribly from a condition where he can't function around noise. But he is not demanding that all society stop being noisy for him.
We have people who suffer from delusions but no one is demanding that we all change our way of life to accommodate the delusions.
They need mental health help.
If two people need to find a suitable solution to a problem then there has to be some give and take. There has to be some way of finding a position that might not entirely satisfy either, but which goes someway to solving the problem. The very first step is agreeing what the problem is in the first place. To reach agreement on the basic facts and then move on.Recognizing that feeling you are a man when you are a woman or vice versa is a mental health issue and treating it with therapy is a very good start. As far as I know there haven't been any medications that have been discovered to help with that. But serious therapy is a very good start. Because it's my understanding that most transgenders have other comorbidities that they suffer from and most likely are part of their mental health issues. They need help. They don't need affirmation.
And they don't need all of society to bend over backward for them so they can feel affirmed. We have a member in this board who suffers terribly from a condition where he can't function around noise. But he is not demanding that all society stop being noisy for him.
We have people who suffer from delusions but no one is demanding that we all change our way of life to accommodate the delusions.
They need mental health help.
I've floated the idea before that this needs to be treated (societally) the same way we treat religious ideas that we don't acknowledge as being valid.If two people need to find a suitable solution to a problem then there has to be some give and take. There has to be some way of finding a position that might not entirely satisfy either, but which goes someway to solving the problem. The very first step is agreeing what the problem is in the first place. To reach agreement on the basic facts and then move on.
The basic fact of the matter is this. That some people's concept of their gender is different to their biological sex.
No argument with that. But if people want to talk about minors or toilets or sport then they have to get an agreement on the very basis for the problem. Which is gender. If they deny gender even exists, you have no basis on which to start looking for solutions.Tolerance is a great concept. It means I can keep my views, you can keep yours, and as long as neither of us infringe on the other or disrupt each other's lives in any significant way, we're golden.
If someone denies gender exists, then that would just strengthen the argument to separate certain things by sex. (like sports and changing rooms)No argument with that. But if people want to talk about minors or toilets or sport then they have to get an agreement on the very basis for the problem. Which is gender. If they deny gender even exists, you have no basis on which to start looking for solutions.
No-one needs to claim that gender 'is a thing'. There isn't any definition that anyone could find (except maybe in a religious blog or forum post) that says that gender and biological sex are the same thing. There isn't a medical paper or article that would say that. To deny it is like sticking your fingers in your ears and singing lah lah lah. Even people who argue against problems they believe transgender people cause readily accept the difference between sex and gender.But, if one side is claiming that "gender isn't even a thing" and the other side claims the opposite...
It's an impossible question to answer. Because we don't have any idea what kind of counseling or treatment they received. As you implied by calling it in the wild.If the transgendered individuals have sought this mental health care that you seem to think “exists” out in the wild where these people are counseled according to what their body looks like (rather than how they tell the therapist or doctors) so that they can better conform to what the rest of the world sees and after that STILL strongly desire to have body altering surgeries done, what would your modality say to them?
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