Michael Knowles demands a retraction, and gets it.

USincognito · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Do you believe allowing kids to mutilate their bodies, chemically castrate themselves and take damaging irreversible drugs is healthcare?

No child is "mutilating their bodies". I know it's common knowledge among some folks that 10-year-olds are carrying their penny jars down to the local back alley gender reassignment outlet, or worse, are transported there by a gay teacher who wants to neuter them or whatever, and getting surgery, but that's not happening.

It's also interesting that you refer to "castration". It seems that some men who are most vocally opposed to gender affirming health care only shriek about trans girls, through they sometimes mention trans boys having mastectomies.

That said, no child receives puberty blockers unless they're close to puberty, and those drugs are entirely reversible. If they stop taking them normal levels of estrogen and testosterone production resume.

USincognito · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Perhaps you need to do some more research on the difference between and ideology and a person. Transgenders are NOT bad people like racists are because there is a mental health component to the person.

TrnasgenderISM is a bad ideology like racisISM is a bad ideology. The actions of both camps are destructive to people. Particularly to women and children.

TransferISM isn't an ideology period. It is a condition, just like dwarfism and gigantism are a conditions.

Always in His Presence · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
That said, no child receives puberty blockers unless they're close to puberty, and those drugs are entirely reversible. If they stop taking them normal levels of estrogen and testosterone production resume.

Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

Transgender and gender-diverse children might choose to temporarily suppress puberty through the use of prescription medications called pubertal blockers. But deciding to get this treatment is a big step.

The medications mostly commonly used to suppress puberty are known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues. Here's what you need to know about the benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

After a period of adjusting to pubertal blockers, adolescents might work with their care team to add cross-hormone treatment. This is done to develop masculine or feminine secondary sex characteristics, helping the mind and body look and act like the gender with which your child identifies. Keep in mind that some of these changes aren't reversible or will require surgery to reverse the effects.

USincognito · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Do you understand the difference? Cause there is one.

I understand you're trying to make being transgender an ideology, but that effort won't be successful.

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

GreatLakes4Ever said:
They aren’t. They are losing for the exact same reason they lost with marriage equality. Lying about their target, saying they are all pedophiles and broken people has detrimental effects on your cause. When followers of theirs meet someone who is transgender and realize that they aren’t monsters, it torpedos the credibility and one less person on their side. This even worse for Christians who participate in this lie. People start questioning other things the Christian told them including their faith and not only do they lose support for their crusade they lose a soul to hell.

Truly, their only hope of eradicating transgenderism is genocide because as long as their are transgender people out and about, their lies about transgender people will be exposed. Watch the movie “Jojo Rabbit.” It shows a young boy experincing this in Nazi Germany as he meets a Jewish girl and learns the Nazis were lying to him about the Jews.

Sorry but we are making strides. As of October 2022 39 laws protecting children from this ideology have passed. Just this year we've seen a couple more. We are also seeing changes in policies around the states in regards to protecting kids from the transgenderism education in schools. We are seeing an uptick in drag queen indoctrination of kids and inappropriate behaviors around them. No we are making good progress and we are not going to stop protecting the kids from this damaging and dangerous ideology.

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

KCfromNC said:
I mean, we have examples of people getting all bent out of shape over calling out racism in GOP as deplorable. Or more recent outrage over daring to question the legitimacy of the "let's attack the US Capitol" part of MAGA-ism.

This attempt to split hairs now seems to be especially selective given those reactions to recent similar statements calling out -isms that the far right is sympathetic to.

No what we are disturbed about are false accusations of racism. Which there are a lot of. But you know this.

USincognito · Mar 10, 2023

hislegacy said:
Puberty blockers for transgender and gender-diverse youth

Understand how puberty blockers work to suppress puberty. Learn about their benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

www.mayoclinic.org

Transgender and gender-diverse children might choose to temporarily suppress puberty through the use of prescription medications called pubertal blockers. But deciding to get this treatment is a big step.

The medications mostly commonly used to suppress puberty are known as gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues. Here's what you need to know about the benefits, side effects and long-term effects.

After a period of adjusting to pubertal blockers, adolescents might work with their care team to add cross-hormone treatment. This is done to develop masculine or feminine secondary sex characteristics, helping the mind and body look and act like the gender with which your child identifies. Keep in mind that some of these changes aren't reversible or will require surgery to reverse the effects.

Caps for emphasis: "to ADD CROSS-HORMONE TREATMENT. This is done to DEVELOP MASCULINE AND FEMININE SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS".

To put it simply, if a trans girl gets such treatment, she'll develop breasts that won't naturally go away if she stops taking it. Her testes will return to producing natural amounts of testosterone if she stops the hormone blocker.

Always in His Presence · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
Caps for emphasis: "to ADD CROSS-HORMONE TREATMENT. This is done to DEVELOP MASCULINE AND FEMININE SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS".

To put it simply, if a trans girl gets such treatment, she'll develop breasts that won't naturally go away if she stops taking it. Her testes will return to producing natural amounts of testosterone if she stops the hormone blocker.

If the minor child has testes - the correct biological term is he.

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

durangodawood said:
I think youre naive if you think the people legislating on this typically know any trans people and acknowledge their situation as a real aspect of their person.

And we do not all know transgender is a real, and not fabricated, thing. Thats obvious just from participating in a few threads right here. Plenty of people think gender and biology are matching binaries, end of story.

This shows a bit of ignorance. We all know transgender is a real thing. What we disagree on is gender and biology are the same thing. Which makes transgender a mental health issue and not a biological fact. Men cannot be and are not women. And women cannot be and are not men. What you think or feel you are has no baring on reality.

You are free to feel you are the opposite sex, but reality and biology says otherwise.

They need mental health help not bodily mutilation or bodily transforming drugs of a perfectly healthy body.

But AGAIN, what they wish to do as an adult is up to them. Because adults can do as they want no matter what they need.

Kids on the other hand don't have the capacity to make those adult decisions.

GreatLakes4Ever · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Sorry but we are making strides. As of October 2022 39 laws protecting children from this ideology have passed. Just this year we've seen a couple more. We are also seeing changes in policies around the states in regards to protecting kids from the transgenderism education in schools. We are seeing an uptick in drag queen indoctrination of kids and inappropriate behaviors around them. No we are making good progress and we are not going to stop protecting the kids from this damaging and dangerous ideology.

Yes, death rattles are sometimes loud but the end always comes. The South probably thought they were making progress when they got the Fugitive Slave Act passed.

I’m all for protecting children from pedophilia, in fact, I think any organization that knowingly shuffles around pedophiles to hide them from justice should be dissolved. But saying all drag queens and transgender people are pedophiles is a lie. Whoever told you that lied to you. That kind of smear is a step short of blood libel.

The more people who meet a transgender person and realize they aren’t a monster, the more people that will see straight through this lie. The more they tighter your grip, the more grains people will slip through their grasp and decide to stand against them .

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
Caps for emphasis: "to ADD CROSS-HORMONE TREATMENT. This is done to DEVELOP MASCULINE AND FEMININE SECONDARY SEX CHARACTERISTICS".

To put it simply, if a trans girl gets such treatment, she'll develop breasts that won't naturally go away if she stops taking it. Her testes will return to producing natural amounts of testosterone if she stops the hormone blocker.

From the site.
Use of GnRH analogues might also have long-term effects on:

Growth spurts
Bone growth and density
Future fertility — depending on when pubertal blockers are started
Children may have their height checked every three months. Bone density is also checked periodically. If bone growth or density is a concern, your child's health care provider might prescribe a different medication, stop treatment with GnRH analogue.

One of the drugs used is Lupron.

Drug used to halt puberty in children may cause lasting health problems

The puberty blockers are not FDA approved for this. We are experimenting on children. It's unconscionable what is being done to kids.

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

GreatLakes4Ever said:
But saying all drag queens and transgender people are pedophiles is a lie. Whoever told you that lied to you. That kind of smear is a step short of blood libel.

Why do you insist on spreading misinformation? No one's claiming all queens are pedophiles just as no is accusing all clergy of being pedophiles.

GreatLakes4Ever said:
The more people who meet a transgender person and realize they aren’t a monster, the more people that will see straight through this lie. The more they tighter your grip, the more grains people will slip through their grasp and decide to stand against them .

Why do you insist on spreading disinformation?

Who called transgenders monsters?

The only monsters there are are the ones who wish to indoctrinate these kids and give them castrating and body altering drugs and mutilate their bodies with surgeries by chopping off perfectly healthy body parts. The monsters are the ones who are trying to convince kids it's okay to do that. The monsters are the ones who are trying to destroy women's sports by forcing women to compete with men or forcing girls to undress in front of boys or force girls to see naked boys. Those are the monsters. And most of them are NOT transgender.

rjs330 · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
No child is "mutilating their bodies". I know it's common knowledge among some folks that 10-year-olds are carrying their penny jars down to the local back alley gender reassignment outlet, or worse, are transported there by a gay teacher who wants to neuter them or whatever, and getting surgery, but that's not happening.

It's also interesting that you refer to "castration". It seems that some men who are most vocally opposed to gender affirming health care only shriek about trans girls, through they sometimes mention trans boys having mastectomies.

That said, no child receives puberty blockers unless they're close to puberty, and those drugs are entirely reversible. If they stop taking them normal levels of estrogen and testosterone production resume.

You haven't been on this subject on board much. So I can excuse your ignorance. But I guarantee you I and others have proven what we say is happening and has happened.

You see you are being preposterous in thinking that we actually believe 10 year olds are saving up and teachers are taking them for surgery. This statement is evidence you do not understand the situation at all and are making light of it. It's a common tactic. We don't buy it anymore. So before you make anymore absurd statements like that i want you to know that from now on you are going to have prove such nonsense.

I suggest you go back and review the trans threads on these issues where every single thing we say is happening and there is PROOF of it.

In fact your own article you posted shows the detrimental affects of the blockers.

Girls are being mutilated by having perfectly healthy breasts chopped off. Any sane and rational person would recognize this under any other circumstance as abuse. If a mother convinced a child she had breast cancer and convinced her that she needed to have her breasts removed and the doctor went along with it, you would be appalled and I hope angered.
We have mutilated kids in the name of this hideous ideology.

13-year-olds given mastectomies at California clinic

The girls have no regrets, transgender counsellors How old does...

bioedge.org

GreatLakes4Ever · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
Why do you insist on spreading misinformation? No one's claiming all queens are pedophiles just as no is accusing all clergy of being pedophiles.

This article paints all drag queens with the same brush. It points out how drag queens will point out how that any examples of child sexual abuse is an outlier but the article claims they are all from the same poisoned tree. Drag Queen Story Hour's radical origins and the subversive sexualization of our kids | Fox News

rjs330 said:
Why do you insist on spreading disinformation?

Who called transgenders monsters?

You, for one.

rjs330 said:
The only monsters there are are the ones who wish to indoctrinate these kids and give them castrating and body altering drugs and mutilate their bodies with surgeries by chopping off perfectly healthy body parts. The monsters are the ones who are trying to convince kids it's okay to do that. The monsters are the ones who are trying to destroy women's sports by forcing women to compete with men or forcing girls to undress in front of boys or force girls to see naked boys. Those are the monsters. And most of them are NOT transgender.

But some of them are transgender. And you just called them “monsters”. A fine term for dehumanizing people and helps prime people into agreeing with you when you are ready to have them “eradicated” because after all, they aren’t human, they are monsters.

USincognito · Mar 10, 2023

hislegacy said:
If the minor child has testes - the correct biological term is he.

That's nice.

Always in His Presence · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
That's nice.

and accurate.

ThatRobGuy · Mar 10, 2023

KCfromNC said:
I mean, we have examples of people getting all bent out of shape over calling out racism in GOP as deplorable. Or more recent outrage over daring to question the legitimacy of the "let's attack the US Capitol" part of MAGA-ism.

This attempt to split hairs now seems to be especially selective given those reactions to recent similar statements calling out -isms that the far right is sympathetic to.

There's a not-so-subtle difference between getting upset over something being called out, and attempting to equate a statement with a 'call for genocide' is there not?

The latter is clearly an instance of dishonest exaggeration.

And obviously the Daily Beast and Rolling Stone realize that, which is why they changed their headlines after he pointed it out as libel and demanded that they change it.

Typically a $100M a year media company like Penske Media (who owns rolling stone) and DailyBeast (albeit smaller at $9M per year) doesn't go out of their way to change a headline at the behest of a disgruntled podcaster "on the other side" over a claim of misrepresentation (a claim made in a tweet no less) unless it's a pretty valid claim...at least I would think. The fact that they caved so quickly makes me think they knew they were using intentionally deceptive wording in their headlines, and were already prepared to make the necessary adjustments if/when they got called out for it.

ThatRobGuy · Mar 10, 2023

USincognito said:
Being transgender isn't an ideology.

Correct, which is why we don't refer to people who identify as transgender as "transgenderists"

However, modern gender theories (which is the basis for the ideology that a woman can become a man and vice versa) is an ideological position.

Or to put it more plainly:
A man seeing himself as a woman isn't an ideological position.

Thinking that it's possible for a man to become a woman, insisting that everyone acknowledge it as truth, and insisting that everyone should accommodate their self-perception in all facets of life and society, is an ideological position.

The majority of people adhering to the ideology of transgenderism aren't trans themselves. The majority are "cis" people who are going along with it for a variety of reasons ranging from sincere sympathy and short-sighted altruism, all the way to less-sincere reasons like desperately trying to hang onto their "ally card" and "owning the conservatives"

Bradskii · Mar 10, 2023

rjs330 said:
You have even argued their points showing you have no real solutions either. But hey I am willing to hear one for the women's sports. Go ahead and let a are a real solution that takes into consideration everyone.

The solutions I could offer would require an understanding of the problem. That most definitely would need any given person to understand the difference between one's biological sex and their gender. A denial that that difference even exist is the first hurdle to overcome in finding any solution.

KCfromNC · Mar 10, 2023

ThatRobGuy said:
There's a not-so-subtle difference between getting upset over something being called out, and attempting to equate a statement with a 'call for genocide' is there not?

My point was that this attempt to split hairs to weasel out of what this conservative group is calling for falls flat when compared to past messaging by similar groups which intentionally ignored a much more clear distinction in an attempt to make it seem like specific criticisms of very specific right wing ideologies was instead an attack on every GOP voter.
I mean, either we have to be very very specific about exactly what ideas are being discussed, or any criticism of anyone who votes the same was becomes an attack on every single voter in the party. But this flip flopping makes it very hard to believe this defense should be taken seriously.

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