Michael Flynn - US must have only one religion

[Aldebaran]

Let me know when you want to circle round to the point of this thread and not some strange pointless exegenesis.

I will take your whole discussion to mean that you 100% agree with Flynn in this instance though, just to keep it simple.

In God We Trust.
Good thing to getting back to doing as a country.

 

[Parmallia]

I don't mind if they have their faith as long as it doesn't involve hijacking airliners and killing nearly 3,000 people.

And with that I agree! I think that about ANY religious group! I don't mind other Christians following their faith so long as they don't start bombing abortion clinics or gunning down abortion doctors!

Oh sorry, am I being too intolerant by saying that?

Why would you be being intolerant for saying that? It's perfectly reasonable. NO ONE wants ANY religious group to terrorize other people. It wasn't cool when Christians did it during the Crusades and it's not cool with Islamists doing it today!

Literally no one is saying that they support that kind of stuff. But you can't paint an entire religion solely based on the extremes.

 

[Bradskii]

I don't mind if they have their faith as long as it doesn't involve...

We can all fill in the ellipses for any given religion.

 

[Hans Blaster]

In God We Trust.
Good thing to getting back to doing as a country.

The old motto was better. Plus, I wouldn't trust your god if I thought it was real.

E pluribus unum.

 

[rambot]

In God We Trust.
Good thing to getting back to doing as a country.

Wasn't that added waaaay later? Like 70 years ago only?

So not sure what the point is in that unless it is just to clarify that you do not believe in freedom of religion as outlined in your constitution.

 

[Aldebaran]

The old motto was better. Plus, I wouldn't trust your god if I thought it was real.

E pluribus unum.

The alternative isn't exactly trustworthy, unless you're trusting in eternal global warming gone extreme.

 

[Aldebaran]

Wasn't that added waaaay later? Like 70 years ago only?

So not sure what the point is in that unless it is just to clarify that you do not believe in freedom of religion as outlined in your constitution.

Who's saying anything about taking away freedom of religion?

 

[Hans Blaster]

The alternative isn't exactly trustworthy, unless you're trusting in eternal global warming gone extreme.

What are you yammering about now?

Oh wait, it's the "hell threat" again. Never mind. Not impressed.

 

[Aldebaran]

What are you yammering about now?

Oh wait, it's the "hell threat" again. Never mind. Not impressed.

Well, there are atheist forums you could go to if Christianity isn't your thing.

 

[TLK Valentine]

Well, there are atheist forums you could go to if Christianity isn't your thing.

One would think that a Christian forum would be comprised of more than empty hell threats.

 

[Occams Barber]

Who's saying anything about taking away freedom of religion?

You really don't understand the significance of Flynn's words do you?

The only way to achieve "One nation under God, and one religion under God" is to suppress other religions. Since other religions will not willingly comply it will take law and the coercive power of the state acting as the agent for the 'one' religion.

In one short sentence Flynn has allowed the possibility of abdicating the concept of religious freedom along with scrapping the separation of church and state.

We can argue endlessly that both concepts are contrary to the Constitution. The reality is that a public figure, acting as a defacto spokesperson for a former President, has publicly broached both possibilities giving aid and comfort to the angry, anarchic, uninformed mob looking for revolutionary change to feed their frustration.

In the current situation Flynn's words are the equivalent of playing with matches while standing in a puddle of gasoline.

OB

 

[Aldebaran]

You really don't understand the significance of Flynn's words do you?

The only way to achieve "One nation under God, and one religion under God" is to suppress other religions. Since other religions will not willingly comply it will take law and the coercive power of the state acting as the agent for the 'one' religion.

In one short sentence Flynn has allowed the possibility of abdicating the concept of religious freedom along with scrapping the separation of church and state.

We can argue endlessly that both concepts are contrary to the Constitution. The reality is that a public figure, acting as a defacto spokesperson for a former President, has publicly broached both possibilities giving aid and comfort to the angry, anarchic, uninformed mob looking for revolutionary change to feed their frustration.

In the current situation Flynn's words are the equivalent of playing with matches while standing in a puddle of gasoline.

OB

This General Michael Flynn. Is he anyone that anybody here believes is going to somehow change our laws that will outlaw religions other than one? If not, I don't see why anyone here is concerned about what he said at the Reawaken America conference in San Antonio.

 

[TLK Valentine]

This General Michael Flynn. Is he anyone that anybody here believes is going to somehow change our laws that will outlaw religions other than one? If not, I don't see why anyone here is concerned about what he said at the Reawaken America conference in San Antonio.

That's a fair point -- We don't have to consider the significance of Flynn's words because nothing he says is of any significance...

 

[Occams Barber]

This General Michael Flynn. Is he anyone that anybody here believes is going to somehow change our laws that will outlaw religions other than one? If not, I don't see why anyone here is concerned about what he said at the Reawaken America conference in San Antonio.

You still don't get it.

It doesn't matter if Flynn lacks the power to change laws. What matters is that he's opening up possibilities which would have been inconceivable a year ago. In the process he's contributing to the general sense of opportunities for change via lawless actions eroding the boundaries of acceptable behaviour.

A year ago we would never have seriously contemplated the possibility of a mob attack on the the Capitol in an attempt to usurp a Presidential election. It happened.

OB

 

[Hans Blaster]

Well, there are atheist forums you could go to if Christianity isn't your thing.

I came here to discuss science (and pseudoscience). I have ventured in to related politics (the pandemic), a few other things, and of course, threats to democracy like Mr. Flynn. Religion itself, bores me. If you could just keep it out of politics and science that would be great.

 

[Hans Blaster]

A year ago we would never have seriously contemplated the possibility of a mob attack on the the Capitol in an attempt to usurp a Presidential election. It happened.

But, 11 months ago some of us were.

 

[Aldebaran]

You still don't get it.

It doesn't matter if Flynn lacks the power to change laws. What matters is that he's opening up possibilities which would have been inconceivable a year ago. In the process he's contributing to the general sense of opportunities for change via lawless actions eroding the boundaries of acceptable behaviour.

A year ago we would never have seriously contemplated the possibility of a mob attack on the the Capitol in an attempt to usurp a Presidential election. It happened.

OB

It sounds like what you're saying is the same as I was saying in the past about BLM and other activist book authors writing stuff about "white fragility" and about what they call systemic racism and things like that. It gets put out there and built upon and causes problems. But when it's brought up for discussion, I've always gotten remarks like, "Who cares what some unknown author says?"

In this case, I highly doubt anyone is going to pass any laws banning all but one religion, except for maybe a global leader who declares Earth worship to be the one religion. That seems to be what the global elitists are into right now, and are trying to force on everyone else through taxation of anything that doesn't conform to their Earth worship agenda.

 

[Aldebaran]

I came here to discuss science (and pseudoscience). I have ventured in to related politics (the pandemic), a few other things, and of course, threats to democracy like Mr. Flynn. Religion itself, bores me. If you could just keep it out of politics and science that would be great.

Aren't there any sites on the internet with interesting scientific and political discussion without us pesky Christians bringing up religion from time to time?

 

[Hans Blaster]

Aren't there any sites on the internet with interesting scientific and political discussion without us pesky Christians bringing up religion from time to time?

I found this one. I thought it had some interesting discussion and posters. I'm reconsidering that position.

 

[Occams Barber]

It sounds like what you're saying is the same as I was saying in the past about BLM and other activist book authors writing stuff about "white fragility" and about what they call systemic racism and things like that. It gets put out there and built upon and causes problems. But when it's brought up for discussion, I've always gotten remarks like, "Who cares what some unknown author says?"

Since this thread isn't about what BLM authors may or may not have said/meant I'm going to take your comments as, yet another, attempt at distraction.

Flynn is hardly an "unknown author". He's a former member of the White House Cabinet and a former adviser to a President. He has strong associations with Trump including receiving a Presidential pardon.

In this case, I highly doubt anyone is going to pass any laws banning all but one religion, except for maybe a global leader who declares Earth worship to be the one religion. That seems to be what the global elitists are into right now, and are trying to force on everyone else through taxation of anything that doesn't conform to their Earth worship agenda.

As I've already said; whether or not Flynn can pass laws is immaterial.

Your veiled references to Climate Change policies are also totally off topic and yet another attempt at distraction.

OB