Met with the Missionaries?

Duende · Feb 13, 2004

I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

Rescued One · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

They use six lessons called Discussions which are designed to lure people in. If someone joins and actually uses his or her noggin to think instead of blindly follow, they'll spot the false teachings. But once you have been lured in, you are told that if you were worthy, you wouldn't have doubts. This guilt trip works on some.

Rescued One · Feb 13, 2004

BTW, duende, although I disagree with Roman Catholicism, I do recognize that we worship the same God. Can there be anything more important? The tragedy of Catholics converting to Mormonism is that they give up the one true God for a totally false one.

Duende · Feb 13, 2004

GodsWordisTrue said:
They use six lessons called Discussions which are designed to lure people in. If someone joins and actually uses his or her noggin to think instead of blindly follow, they'll spot the false teachings. But once you have been lured in, you are told that if you were worthy, you wouldn't have doubts. This guilt trip works on some.

The problem we have down here is that many hispanic Catholics see Catholicisim more as a tradition than a religion. They do not attend mass regularly and do not follow the teachings of the Church. Thus, when the Mormon missionaries visit with them, they are very open to the doctrine, for in many cases they have very little understanding of the Catholic doctrine.

Que les vayan con Dios.

emerald Dragon · Feb 13, 2004

Duende-

Hello!
I am a Mormon, so i will just tell you this right off.
I am a convert, so I know of the 6 discussions. I must say this-do not take everything that you read or hear about Mormons-from both sides-for what they may appear to be. In other words, take no ones word about what you are being taught. the Truth is revealled by God. I am sure that you have been taught the Moroni promise-pray about what you are learning. Pray with a sincere heart, wanting to truly know the truth. God will reveal it to you. You must do what you feel that you are to do. Let no one but God persuade you. Don't let people here on this site persuade you. Don't let the missionaries persuade you. Ask God what He wants, and He will tell you.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Rescued One · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
The problem we have down here is that many hispanic Catholics see Catholicisim more as a tradition than a religion. They do not attend mass regularly and do not follow the teachings of the Church. Thus, when the Mormon missionaries visit with them, they are very open to the doctrine, for in many cases they have very little understanding of the Catholic doctrine.

Que les vayan con Dios.

I recommend that you give people the attention they are seeking(LDS shower potential converts with attention), and teach people that the Triune God is the ONE TRUE GOD(use the Bible, it is clearly in there). And there are many sites online that deal with Christian apologetics regarding the Trinity.

Churches need to have warm caring people.

Rescued One · Feb 13, 2004

emerald Dragon said:
....the Truth is revealled by God. I am sure that you have been taught the Moroni promise-pray about what you are learning. Pray with a sincere heart, wanting to truly know the truth. God will reveal it to you. You must do what you feel that you are to do. Let no one but God persuade you. Don't let people here on this site persuade you. Don't let the missionaries persuade you. Ask God what He wants, and He will tell you.

God Bless,
Emerald Dragon

Yes, truth is revealed by the Holy Spirit of the One True God. Anything that leads away from the One True God is of the devil.

"Pray about what you are learning. Pray with a sincere heart, wanting to truly know the truth."

Just as I did, seeking God with all my heart. God answered my prayers and that is why I know the Book of Mormon is a ficticious book and Joseph Smith was a false prophet.

God is so good!

Jeremiah 29
13 And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

Proverbs 3
5 Trust in the LORD with all thine heart; and lean not unto thine own understanding.
6 In all thy ways acknowledge him, and he shall direct thy paths.

Praise Father, Son, and Holy Spirit! Amen.

elderbell · Feb 13, 2004

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rnmomof7 · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

They are not Christians ,they worship a different god and jesus.
They deny the creeds

The problem is they have adapted the language of the church to mean different things. It sounds orthodox but it is not.

Unfortunately we live in an age when many people do not really know what the bible says..So the idea of a new gospel seems just fine.

I would suggest taking some time to read their doctrine , you will quickly see it is not Christian

rnmomof7 · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
I am a Roman Catholic deacon, and many of those to whom I minister have met with and been converted by the Mormon missionaries. Curious as to what the fervor was, I have also been meeting with them. Much of what they have to say is very intersting, and I respect their dedication in their beliefs (if only more Catholics would do the same ). Nevertheless, their doctrine seems so unusual from that which I have been taught. And yet, at the same time, the words I read in their Mormon book seem, in many ways, very consistent with teachings of Christ. Needless to say, I'm confused because of that which many write in here and that which I've been taught. In the end, I can see now why so many of my acquaintences have been baptized Mormon. They are very good at what they do, these Mormon missionaries, and more importantly, they SINCERELY believe what they teach. This makes their presentation extremely powerful.

Que les vayan con Dios.

By the way , where do you serve in Mexico? I have been down there and was wondering what city you are in??

Duende · Feb 13, 2004

rnmomof7 said:
By the way , where do you serve in Mexico? I have been down there and was wondering what city you are in??

Rosarito!

rnmomof7 · Feb 13, 2004

elderbell said:
---Rule #5 "no promotion of other religions"---

And what did his parents think?

Doc T · Feb 13, 2004

rnmomof7 said:
They are not Christians ,they worship a different god and jesus.

Doc: They are indeed Christians as defined by any standard use of the word. And they do not worship a different [G]od and [J]esus. That is like trying to claim that when I went back to California when I hadn't been there in 10 years and exclaimed, "Boy California is sure different" that you come along and try to say that it is not California that I visited, just because it is different. Just because two people have a differing understanding of something does not mean that they are not speaking of the same thing.

rnmomof7 said:
They deny the creeds

Doc: Only as inspired of God

rnmomof7 said:
The problem is they have adapted the language of the church to mean different things. It sounds orthodox but it is not.

Doc: While perhaps true, there is not universal acceptance of all religious terms.

rnmomof7 said:
Unfortunately we live in an age when many people do not really know what the bible says..So the idea of a new gospel seems just fine.

Doc: Not a new gospel, a restored gospel. And I do agree that many people do not know what the Bible says, I see it here all the time.

rnmomof7 said:
I would suggest taking some time to read their doctrine , you will quickly see it is not Christian

Doc: I agree, but read it from their [the LDS] sources, after all you would not have recommended people at the time of Christ go to the Pharisees for the truth about Christ.

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Duende · Feb 13, 2004

I have seen many refer to www.lds.org . . . is that a reliable source for information?

arizona_sunshine · Feb 13, 2004

rnmomof7 said:
And what did his parents think?

rnmom, that isnt fair. The young man in question is 12, let him read and learn for himself.

If he were a 12 year old child of 'atheists' would you encourage him reading the bible, should he feel inspired?

I believe should he desire to be baptised - his parents can step in and encourage him to wait, study and be sure about his decision. But let people read and learn for themselves, and let elderbell be excited about it.

arizona_sunshine · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
I have seen many refer to www.lds.org . . . is that a reliable source for information?

One of the few ONLY reliable sources.

Definately a wise place to start.

twhite982 · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
I have seen many refer to www.lds.org . . . is that a reliable source for information?

This is the official LDS church web site.

As far as the "basics" go mormon.org is a great place to start.
I believe they have a F(requently) A(sked) Q(uestion) format, which is helpful.

Both of these sites are reliable for learning and study.

Tom

Duende · Feb 13, 2004

twhite982 said:
This is the official LDS church web site.

As far as the "basics" go mormon.org is a great place to start.
I believe they have a F(requently) A(sked) Q(uestion) format, which is helpful.

Both of these sites are reliable for learning and study.

Tom

Your church has an official website?

twhite982 · Feb 13, 2004

duende said:
Your church has an official website?

Yes, two actually.

lds.org

mormon.org - deals with mostly "basics"

Tom

Rescued One · Feb 13, 2004

Don't be deceived, duende, as so many of us were. Mormonism is full of lies, changes, confusion, and lots of PR. You can't get the whole picture from their websites. Try these:

http://www.utlm.org/

http://www.concernedchristians.org/

http://www.mission2mormons.org/

I combat the errors of the ages; I meet the violence of mobs; I cope with illegal proceedings from executive authority; I cut the Gordian knot of power and I solve mathematical problems of universities, with truth - diamond truth; and God is my 'right hand man.' - Joseph Smith, History of the Church p 78

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