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Do you think that the majority of Jews were able to read Hebrew just because of this fact? Or, were the books published for a specific audience that was Hebrew literate?
I never made the claim that there was zero Hebrew literacy in Israel at the time of Jesus.
lucky them.It should come as no surprise that Jewish religious books, even sectarian in nature, were published in Hebrew.
תרתי משמעOr, it may be that they simply didn't know Hebrew vs. Aramaic.
Interesting isn't it, that there is so much that the translators can't state with any certainty what the Hebrew word means..NIV also has a lot of footnotes for the OT that say 'meaning of the Hebrew uncertain.'
Joseph, not 'Joses'Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together , she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.
anime..Manga...maybe not then, but we are working on it! considering most reading done by young gen is phone text mssgs, just 2k years later we can expect zero literacy, soon.
lucky them.
at the rate we regress, most religious books will soon be pubished in a form of coloring books.
I find you folks fascinating.
You are perhaps the most true and direct heirs to Christ Yahshua's teachings and ministries - did he not come, after all, to (among other reasons) reform Judaism? I think that Messianic Jews represent the realization of this intent. What do you think? If I had my way I'd be a "Jew for Jesus". I've been thinking that to accomplish this goal I might convert to Judaism and then back to Christianity!
Thanks much to you and CM for opinions expressed, as always.
CM, you know i am not trying to be a pain, not deliberatly at least, but what is The Church? does it have any more or less unified theology on anything, like baptism?Do you mean "christian orthodoxy", more or less?
While i agree that we, modern people, have little respect for the church authority , probably due to xtianity's despicable history and notoriously bad present, I do think authority and certain discipline is good. Sports, military and such prove the benefits of discipline. I was in a churches were anarchy in thought and deed ruled,and it stifles the personal spiritual growth, i'd agree
The messianic Jews are knowledgeable about the traditions that flowed out of Judaism and they alone can appreciate the consideration that The Christ was the Elijah returned in 32AD.
Our congregation sees this clearly since the Tradition of Seven Miracles told the jews long before 32AD that Elijah would be recognized by the miracles he woyld perform.
Consider these miracles and check the scriotures for more:
Both Elijah and Jesus raised the dead.
Both Elijah and Jesus were immortal.
Both Elijah and Jesus disappeared from the foot of a mountain.
Both Elijah and Jesus ascended into Heaven before witnesses.
Both Elijah and Jesus troubled Israel.
Both Elijah and Jesus were hunted down by the Jewish authorities.
Both Elijah and Jesus hid in a cave/tomb.
Both Elijah and Jesus pondered in the wilderness 40 days.
Both Elijah and Jesus walked on the water.
Both wrote letters to people on Earth after they had ascended.
Both appointed a successor, Elisha by Elijah, and Peter, by Christ.
Both were hunted by the Jewish authorities.
Both gave a successor the power to raise the dead.
Both gave a successor a symbolic authority, the cloak to one, the keys to the other.
Both asked that the this "cup" be taken from them.
Both had miraculous births.
Both multiplied the meal for many people they feed in the crowd.
Both destroyed the pagan worshippers and priests, one Baal, the other, the Pantheon of Rome.
Both were promised faithfulness three times, Elisha in the former and Peter, in the latter.
These are the 7 miracles Elijah will perform when he returns:
(1) He will bring before them Moses and the generation of the wilderness; (2) he will cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth;
(3) he will revive the Messiah, the son of Joseph;
(4) he will show them again the three mysteriously lost sacred utensils of the Temple, namely, the Ark, the vessel of manna, and the vessel of sacred oil;
(5) he will show the scepter which he received from God;
(6) he will crush mountains like straw;
(7) he will reveal the great mystery
Wow. Now you are doing the same thing with an appeal to the authority of science but now with the authority of the Jews?
These are the 7 miracles Elijah will perform when he returns:
(1) He will bring before them Moses and the generation of the wilderness; (2) he will cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth;
(3) he will revive the Messiah, the son of Joseph;
(4) he will show them again the three mysteriously lost sacred utensils of the Temple, namely, the Ark, the vessel of manna, and the vessel of sacred oil;
(5) he will show the scepter which he received from God;
(6) he will crush mountains like straw;
(7) he will reveal the great mystery
Jesus did not do this. No messianic Jew or bible reading Christian would agree that he did.
The miracles you listed are quite questionable, to say the least and none of them signal a fulfillment of these 7 requirements. And some of these "miracles" are not based on scripture. Jesus wrote letters to Earth after ascencion? Is this a joke?
And what congregation? There are more of you? What is the name of your "church"? Do you have an elder I can contact?
Who made this list?
It is traditional. I'm not saying it is scripturally based, but it comes from the Jews as part of the smaller midrashim.
The reason I bring it up is because Cupid is making appeals to the Jewish expectation for when Elijah will return, but he isn't actually using the Jewish information on the subject. He's just borrowing their credentials to impose his own unsupported belief. I guess he expects that none of us know all this stuff already.
In order to determine the difference between what he claims and what the truth is, it is important to recognize what the Jews really have to say on the subject.
I don't think he said they were scriptural yedida, this is common understanding in Judaism.Both you and CupidDave have made "lists" that you claim are scripturel. For now, one thing: it is normal and common courtesy to give scriptural references when making such statements, or give references as to where you came up with the information - so I ask, where is this located? Where did the two of you get this information? What website, book, or if in the Bible, book, chapter and verses please. Thank you.
(considering baptismal site been built many ( at least 30) years or so ago.how old is he..?Br Heber, you personally knew King Solomon, I bet
Thanks much to you and CM for opinions expressed, as always.
CM, you know i am not trying to be a pain, not deliberatly at least, but what is The Church? does it have any more or less unified theology on anything, like baptism?Do you mean "christian orthodoxy", more or less?
While i agree that we, modern people, have little respect for the church authority , probably due to xtianity's despicable history and notoriously bad present, I do think authority and certain discipline is good. Sports, military and such prove the benefits of discipline. I was in a churches were anarchy in thought and deed ruled,and it stifles the personal spiritual growth, i'd agree
You're welcome. I'm not sure anybody else reads what I write though!
Who made this list?
1) Wow. Now you are doing the same thing with an appeal to the authority of science but now with the authority of the Jews?
These are the 7 miracles Elijah will perform when he returns:
2)(1) He will bring before them Moses and the generation of the wilderness; (2) he will cause Korah and his company to rise out of the earth;
(3) he will revive the Messiah, the son of Joseph;
(4) he will show them again the three mysteriously lost sacred utensils of the Temple, namely, the Ark, the vessel of manna, and the vessel of sacred oil;
(5) he will show the scepter which he received from God;
(6) he will crush mountains like straw;
(7) he will reveal the great mystery
Jesus did not do this.
3) Jesus wrote letters to Earth after ascencion? Is this a joke?
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