messianic jew doesnt means they are Christians

[visionary]

It should be also stated that being Messianic does not mean you are not Christian either.

I have to agree with jeff here:



One thing - this forum has a number of people who consider themselves Messianic (though not necessarily Messianic Jews). If a situation ever arose where I was asked about the sincerity of the faith in Yeshua of the people that post here I would glady state that there is a solid, firm and sincere love for Yeshua in this place shared by all, regardless of what others might think. I'm not claiming to know their hearts, but if activity and zeal for the word and the holy life is anything to go by- this forum has a lot of Jesus people.

Bless your heart...

 

[Tishri1]

I actually see a lot of hurt people seeking an identity these days, which might just tie in to the group you are describing.

When all believers stop trying to gain an identity for themselves, and just live for Yeshua, we will all be better off in the MJ movement......I've been MJ for 12 years and it seems to me when I first started to study the Hebrew Roots of the Church, it was to learn about the original identity of Yeshua (kind of lost thru the years) not to build a new Identity for ME
Doesnt the word say we are to die to ourselves and become alive in Yeshua?

 

[Tishri1]

Bless your heart...

QFT

 

[ContraMundum]

When all believers stop trying to gain an identity for themselves, and just live for Yeshua, we will all be better off in the MJ movement......I've been MJ for 12 years and it seems to me when I first started to study the Hebrew Roots of the Church, it was to learn about the original identity of Yeshua (kind of lost thru the years) not to build a new Identity for ME
Doesnt the word say we are to die to ourselves and become alive in Yeshua?

A-MEN!

 

[Kris10leigh]

One thing - this forum has a number of people who consider themselves Messianic (though not necessarily Messianic Jews). If a situation ever arose where I was asked about the sincerity of the faith in Yeshua of the people that post here I would glady state that there is a solid, firm and sincere love for Yeshua in this place shared by all, regardless of what others might think. I'm not claiming to know their hearts, but if activity and zeal for the word and the holy life is anything to go by- this forum has a lot of Jesus people.

Wow, CM! Those were some powerful words! This out to be the forum motto, posted permanently in bold. It simply couldn't be more true.

I'm glad this thread was dug up. It was rather timely.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Hi guys!

I have some questions, so I'll be opening some threads.

On this subject however, I can answer because the answer is common to every Christian.

Even in the very earliest of Christianity a Christian was a Christian upon his declaration of faith in Christ Jesus being the Son of God.

At the time this was not synonymous with being "in" The Church which is the community that we are baptized into. Any member of the community of Christians could bring you into the community by baptizing.

A great scriptural example is the Eunuch in ACTS 8.


I can not think of why a Messianic Jew would fail the test of "christian" unless it is not Christ Jesus that they claim as messiah.

Forgive me...

 

[Kris10leigh]

Welcome, Orthodoxy! It's great to see you participating!

Messianic Jews definitely follow Jesus as the Messiah. You may find some Messianics who say they are not Christian, but only in the sense we Jesus and not Christianity. Most here on this forum, however, I believe do consider themselves Christian.

With me, it depends on who I'm talking to. On the surface and for casual conversation, I will call myself a Christian. But if I were to have a deep conversation and wanted to clear up my beliefs, I do not really consider myself a "Christian" because I feel it is a man made religion and not what Jesus intended. Being referred to as a Christian, however, doesn't offend me at all because I am truly a follower of Christ.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Welcome, Orthodoxy! It's great to see you participating!

Messianic Jews definitely follow Jesus as the Messiah. You may find some Messianics who say they are not Christian, but only in the sense we Jesus and not Christianity. Most here on this forum, however, I believe do consider themselves Christian.

With me, it depends on who I'm talking to. On the surface and for casual conversation, I will call myself a Christian. But if I were to have a deep conversation and wanted to clear up my beliefs, I do not really consider myself a "Christian" because I feel it is a man made religion and not what Jesus intended. Being referred to as a Christian, however, doesn't offend me at all because I am truly a follower of Christ.

Thanks for the welcome. I disagree with you about Christ's intent. I do not intend to debate it here.

Forgive me...

 

[Kris10leigh]

Thanks for the welcome. I disagree with you about Christ's intent. I do not intend to debate it here.

Forgive me...

I don't want to debate it either. I'm just giving you my perspective.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

I don't want to debate it either. I'm just giving you my perspective.

I meant "out of respect for your area", I would not debate it. I would, in a place like General Theology.

Forgive me...

 

[Kris10leigh]

I meant "out of respect for your area", I would not debate it. I would, in a place like General Theology.

Forgive me...

Check out "Messianic Way". There's a link to it in the folders above this forum. You may like it there. We can discuss just about anything there.

 

[A_Pioneer]

Even in the very earliest of Christianity a Christian was a Christian upon his declaration of faith in Christ Jesus being the Son of God.

Forgive me...

Even in the very earliest of the Way a believer was a Messianic upon his declaration of faith in Moshiach Yeshua being the Son of God.

Done and done!

Shalom

 

[visionary]

Yeah... The Way was and still is a sect of Judaism.

 

[ContraMundum]

Yeah... The Way was and still is a sect of Judaism.

Where's the head office? Who's the head of that sect? Any info?

 

[Torah]

Yeah... The Way was and still is a sect of Judaism.

I agree visionary! In the beginning “fowling” Yeshua was closer to Judaism than Christianity today.

 

[visionary]

Where's the head office? Who's the head of that sect? Any info?

In Jerusalem with James, the elder...and they continued until attacked from both with Judaism and without Romans... around 132 AD... and which point, fragments [remnants] have been noted in inquisition documents.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

In Jerusalem with James, the elder...and they continued until attacked from both with Judaism and without Romans... around 132 AD... and which point, fragments [remnants] have been noted in inquisition documents.

St. James, the brother of Our Lord, was cast from the top of the Temple and stoned in 69AD. The community still exists today.

Forgive me...

 

[tm2cruz]

St. James, the brother of Our Lord, was cast from the top of the Temple and stoned in 69AD. The community still exists today.

Forgive me...

Wow, really? Where do you get those infos?
Was John boiled in oil?

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Wow, really? Where do you get those infos?
Was John boiled in oil?

Church history. (A 2000 year old community is going to have a history.)

I happen to belong to the second oldest Christian community, The Church of Antioch, the first Gentile Church 34AD. Our parent Church (Christian community) is the Church of Jerusalem 33AD, that sect of Jews who became the first Church. I am glad to answer questions from that vantage point if it helps.

It is true that we called it "The Way" (see the didache) and adopted the Roman insult "Christian" as a name.

Act 11:26
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Was that a serious question about John? He was the only Apostle who did not die a martyr.

Forgive me...

 

[ContraMundum]

In Jerusalem with James, the elder...and they continued until attacked from both with Judaism and without Romans... around 132 AD... and which point, fragments [remnants] have been noted in inquisition documents.

So, the you believe in the "Myth of the Pilgrim Church"? A church that doesn't any longer exist (which would be against scripture.).

Funny how people who believe this myth always think the Inquisition's victims must be proof of a) their existence as an organised, continuing "true" church and b) that they must have been orthodox in their beliefs.

Yet there is never any proof. Never. It's all in the imagination.

Yeshua founded a successful, world-conquering church led and upheld by His Word, not a lowly sect defeated at every turn by the Devil.