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No, there is a history of people throughout the centuries who followed this line of theology. The increase in popularity in recent history is attributed to another Jew.
No, there is a history of people throughout the centuries who followed this line of theology. The increase in popularity in recent history is attributed to another Jew.
Joseph Rabinowitz established a Hebrew Christian mission and congregation called "Israelites of the New Covenant" in Kishinev, Ukraine in 1884. Actually there are lots of little fires around the world that contributed to this which we know now as MJ. But this is the one I was thinking of when I posted.The question asked, which you answered, was clearly about modern history, not history in general, which is why I affirmed it as correct. Who is the mysterious Jew to whom you refer in modern history?
Joseph Rabinowitz established a Hebrew Christian mission and congregation called "Israelites of the New Covenant" in Kishinev, Ukraine in 1884. Actually there are lots of little fires around the world that contributed to this which we know now as MJ. But this is the one I was thinking of when I posted.
"Modern" .. I would say Leopold Cohn because he founded the Brownsville Mission to the Jews in the Brownsville section of Brooklyn, New York and established Chosen People Ministries. But again he isn't the only one.
Remember history is written by the victors...While there have been groups with more Jewish tendencies, I do not believe in a continuing community persisting throughout Church history. The early Judaisers seemed to have disappeared when the empire became Christian and perhaps when Islam took over the middle east.
"modern" qualified the choice for Cohn.I had already mentioned Rabinowitz and Levertoff a couple of posts before yours #558, and to which I pointed you in post #562. They were the originators of MJism in the modern history era.
Cohn had hardly been born when Levertoff opened the first Messaianic Church, in East London.
"modern" qualified the choice for Cohn.
Remember history is written by the victors...
You haven't read this entire thread, where there is a collection of those who believe like we do throughout the centuries.Not necessarily. Many Christians during their life were losers who died or suffered persecution at the hand of the state, yet we have their writings because the community preserved them and flourished.
But to me this is a statement of admission, that you cannot prove it historically that there was a continuous Messianic community from Christ until the current day. That evidence exists for the historic Church but not Messianicism.
You haven't read this entire thread, where there is a collection of those who believe like we do throughout the centuries.
Then can you direct me to a Messianic congregation that existed in the 10th century?
Being Jewish, and converting they know the other parts of Torah, and I would say unfair to think they keep just 10.I don't think it is a fair comparison to designate Sabbatians as Messianics. Sabbatarians only believe in keeping the 10 commandments in a literal way. They don't care about the other laws.
You and I must have different ideas of what makes a person a Sabbatarian. A Sabbatarian is anyone who keeps the Sabbath. SDA's are Sabbatarians, for example, and they are not Jews.Being Jewish, and converting they know the other parts of Torah, and I would say unfair to think they keep just 10.
These Sabbatarians were... believers in Yeshua and keepers of the commandments as Jews.You and I must have different ideas of what makes a person a Sabbatarian. A Sabbatarian is anyone who keeps the Sabbath. SDA's are Sabbatarians, for example, and they are not Jews.
These Sabbatarians were... believers in Yeshua and keepers of the commandments as Jews.
Sounds like what we are really talking about are MJ's. I'd love to read about them. Do you have a good historical site?These Sabbatarians were... believers in Yeshua and keepers of the commandments as Jews.
The evidence exists for the "historic church" stamping out Messianism.But to me this is a statement of admission, that you cannot prove it historically that there was a continuous Messianic community from Christ until the current day. That evidence exists for the historic Church but not Messianicism.
The evidence exists for the "historic church" stamping out Messianism.
Go read Eusubius.
That is why the work of the Toward Jerusalem Council II and the Helsinki Consultation are so important. The "historic church" needs to repent from what they did to us.
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