Mental Maladies

[Cris413]

Such as Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Sociopathy now referred to Antisocial Personality Disorder, Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and such.

Most mental disorders are generally catagorized as either organic (physical) or inorganic (experiential).

Could some of these disorders actually be spiritual?

 

[MrJim]

Such as Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Sociopathy now referred to Antisocial Personality Disorder, Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and such.

Most mental disorders are generally catagorized as either organic (physical) or inorganic (experiential).

Could some of these disorders actually be spiritual?

I believe so. I read a book by one of the Vatican's chief exorcists, and even those guys will work at determining if the problem is physical or spiritual (demonic), so while there is tendency to say all is physical or all is demonic that would be an error. I would tend to think more problems are demonic than people would admit.

 

[ladyt28]

I agree with MrJim. I would not say that these diagnosis are either "all" of one thing or another. I have wondered about this very issue - good thread!

 

[MrJim]

I agree with MrJim. I would not say that these diagnosis are either "all" of one thing or another. I have wondered about this very issue - good thread!

It is very easy to dismiss the supernatural in this day and age...

 

[CyberPaladin]

Personaly I would say it's a possible cause for mental illness. The real reason why have such discord in these kind of conversations is because spiritual warfare nuts you know the people that insist that all instances of mental illness are the work of demons.

 

[Cris413]

I believe so. I read a book by one of the Vatican's chief exorcists, and even those guys will work at determining if the problem is physical or spiritual (demonic), so while there is tendency to say all is physical or all is demonic that would be an error. I would tend to think more problems are demonic than people would admit.

There are some really interesting studies on the subject...especially with prisoners who have committed henious crimes due to sociopathy and the spiritual aspect of their sociopathy...I'll have to do some digging to find the studies.

Every time I see this commercial which states 2 out of 3 people suffering from depression are not finding relief from their current medication...so try THIS medication......makes me nutz (no pun intended )

...and I think...of course they're not finding relief in medication...2 out of 3 people are more than likely suffering from a spiritual disorder than a physical disorder.

 

[CyberPaladin]

Cris it's also a commericial what do expect them to say we know your current medication is probably working fine but hey try this new mind altering drug instead.

 

[Cris413]

Cris it's also a commericial what do expect them to say we know your current medication is probably working fine but hey try this new mind altering drug instead.

Right...I know it's a bit much to hope for responsibility in media...particularly advertising...kinda like...do you suffer from such and such...take our drug...side effects include bleeding from your eyes, your heart and liver might explode and psychotic epidsodes have been noted in rare cases...

This particular commercial hits me on a personal note...as I suffered from depression ...I was on Zoloft...Prozac...Wellbutrin...Effexor...and one more I can't seem to remember. Nothing worked.

Docs are so quick to pull out the Rx pad...then crazy beyond crazy...when these meds not only didn't help but caused anxiety...then the doc Rx'd anti-anxiety meds to counteract the side-effects of the anti-depressants...

What worked was giving my life back to God

 

[Cris413]

What really perked up my interest in this topic was that someone mentioned in another thread...I forget which one...that spiritual/demonic activity is no longer as prevalent as it was a couple thousand years ago...

I kinda think that might not be all that accurate...and perhaps more to the point that we've "logically" explained a lot of stuff away...

 

[porterross]

I think it's also a symptom of our society and no willingness to take responsibility for our actions that got us into unpleasant situations. That runs parallel with the inability to recognize our sinful nature and rejection of God's plan for us.

Look at how many kids are put on meds for ADD or hyperactivity instead of the parents making more of an effort to *gasp* parent. Kids so often seem to feed off their parents' emotions and if they're stressed from having to work all the time, taking away from energy that should be given to the family and caring for the home, which then can make parents depressed because they know they are failing on some levels and so goes the cycle.

It's what the world does to some folks who think they have to keep up. Of course, that's not true in all instances, but it seems to be pretty prevelant. I'd say those are victories for the evil one, for sure.

 

[Rhamiel]

Bishop FUlton Sheen wrote a book called "Peace of Soul"
the book is about how in the modern world we look at all of the problems as being psychological and we can not deal with spiritual problems with psychology. mental help for mental problems, spiritual help for spiritual problems
he does not talk a lot about demons, but he does point out that sin twists the soul and the only cure for sin is the forgivness of Jesus Christ

 

[Sphinx777]

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture. The recognition and understanding of mental disorders has changed over time and across cultures. Definitions, assessments, and classifications of mental disorders can vary, but guideline criteria listed in the ICD, DSM and other manuals are widely accepted by mental health professionals. Categories of diagnoses in these schemes may include dissociative disorders, mood disorders, anxiety disorders, psychotic disorders, eating disorders, developmental disorders, personality disorders, and many other categories. In many cases there is no single accepted or consistent cause of mental disorders, although they are often explained in terms of a diathesis-stress model and biopsychosocial model. Mental disorders have been found to be common, with over a third of people in most countries reporting sufficient criteria at some point in their life. Services for mental disorders may be based in hospitals or in the community. Mental health professionals diagnose individuals using different methodologies, often relying on case history and interview. Psychotherapy and psychiatric medication are two major treatment options, as well as supportive interventions and self-help. Treatment may be involuntary where legislation allows. Several movements campaign for changes to services and attitudes, including the Consumer/Survivor Movement. There are widespread problems with stigma and discrimination.

 

[Cris413]

A mental disorder or mental illness is a psychological or behavioral pattern that occurs in an individual and is thought to cause distress or disability that is not expected as part of normal development or culture. The recognition and understanding of mental disorders has changed over time and across cultures. Definitions, assessments, and classifications of mental disorders can vary, but guideline criteria listed in the ICD, DSM and other manuals are widely accepted by mental health professionals. Categories of diagnoses in these schemes may include dissociative disorders, mood disorders, anxiety disorders, psychotic disorders, eating disorders, developmental disorders, personality disorders, and many other categories. In many cases there is no single accepted or consistent cause of mental disorders, although they are often explained in terms of a diathesis-stress model and biopsychosocial model. Mental disorders have been found to be common, with over a third of people in most countries reporting sufficient criteria at some point in their life. Services for mental disorders may be based in hospitals or in the community. Mental health professionals diagnose individuals using different methodologies, often relying on case history and interview. Psychotherapy and psychiatric medication are two major treatment options, as well as supportive interventions and self-help. Treatment may be involuntary where legislation allows. Several movements campaign for changes to services and attitudes, including the Consumer/Survivor Movement. There are widespread problems with stigma and discrimination.

This is a very good clinical synopsis, however, I very much consider there is also a spiritual element that few (if any) mental health care professionals would ever consider.

Not only will they not even consider a spiritual aspect of mental disorders...they seem to be very much against even considering the possibility and generally try and steer a patient away from such considerations.

 

[MrJim]

This is a very good clinical synopsis, however, I very much consider there is also a spiritual element that few (if any) mental health care professionals would ever consider.

Not only will they not even consider a spiritual aspect of mental disorders...they seem to be very much against even considering the possibility and generally try and steer a patient away from such considerations.

Speaking of mental disorders and such~do you thing Sphinx is a real person or a bot? I'm thinkin' bot, but I usually get these things wrong. But think about it, wouldn't it make sense that a bot would cruise a forum and insert information into thread to help clarify terms...SphinxBot, I'm tellin' ya

 

[JCFantasy23]

There are all sorts of reasons. I think hormones play a large part too. I forget the test but didnt they find most violent offenders somewhere in a prison tested had excessive testosterone levels? It can be environmental, chemical, personality defects - and yep, sometimes spiritual.

 

[AnneSally]

Such as Depression, Bipolar Disorder, Schizophrenia, Sociopathy now referred to Antisocial Personality Disorder, Dissociative Identity Disorder (DID) formerly known as Multiple Personality Disorder (MPD) and such.

Most mental disorders are generally catagorized as either organic (physical) or inorganic (experiential).

Could some of these disorders actually be spiritual?

Whoa! That's what I often think too.....and Jesus expelled a demon from someone that they regarded as "epileptic."

 

[AnneSally]

There are some really interesting studies on the subject...especially with prisoners who have committed henious crimes due to sociopathy and the spiritual aspect of their sociopathy...I'll have to do some digging to find the studies.

Every time I see this commercial which states 2 out of 3 people suffering from depression are not finding relief from their current medication...so try THIS medication......makes me nutz (no pun intended )

...and I think...of course they're not finding relief in medication...2 out of 3 people are more than likely suffering from a spiritual disorder than a physical disorder.

Yeah exactly, but in our secular scientific age society doesn't acknowledge or attribute anything to the spiritual. I heard someone who does prison ministry speaking about this too and why so many people end up in prison, because they have no hope and society doesn't treat the spiritual so they're just acting out and not being properly treated....he said a lot suffer from mental problems but the root causes of their problems are spiritual and he gets frustrated because society and the medical community wont acknowledge, and he said that's why it's vital that Christians visit prisoners because they desparately need spiritual help which the system wont and doesn't provide (because it doesn't even acknowledge it).

 

[CyberPaladin]

Speaking of mental disorders and such~do you thing Sphinx is a real person or a bot? I'm thinkin' bot, but I usually get these things wrong. But think about it, wouldn't it make sense that a bot would cruise a forum and insert information into thread to help clarify terms...SphinxBot, I'm tellin' ya

Nah your way off base about Sphinx definetly an evil clone from alternate universe.

 

[AnneSally]

Bishop FUlton Sheen wrote a book called "Peace of Soul"
the book is about how in the modern world we look at all of the problems as being psychological and we can not deal with spiritual problems with psychology. mental help for mental problems, spiritual help for spiritual problems
he does not talk a lot about demons, but he does point out that sin twists the soul and the only cure for sin is the forgivness of Jesus Christ

Exactly! That's exactly it Rhamiel, cool post.

 

[CruciFixed]

I find it uh (lack of word here) strange you posted this (almost coincidence) becuz you had no way of knowing what I've been pondering over and praying about......
and this post is shouting @ me.......

What if my problem is spiritual?