mental illness

[pittsflyer]

155 is for a class 3 medical which means you are only flying yourself and friends around in light air craft. When you start flying passengers for hire and/or much bigger aircraft the standards quickly go way up. In a small Cessna with just yourself you are not going to be able to do much damage. A 2 ton car in heavy traffic is statistically MUCH more likely to kill someone.

I am no where near 155 but I am a little over 120 because of stress, if I lay down and chill out for a few days it will go to 120.

If people could stand a chance of loosing their license they might make more healthy choices.

You should not have a blood pressure higher than 120 to be considered healthy. The fact that they allow pilots to fly with uncorrected BPs as high as 155 scares me to death. That is almost to 160 which is hypertensive level 2 and considered getting up toward dangerously high levels. Do they check your bp before going up every time? If not, then the person who tests 155 in the doctor's office for an annual physical could actually be flying with stroke level blood pressure.

Medical professionals do like to get people to get off medications and choose healthier lifestyles...however we can not make people eat better or exercise better..that is an individual's responsibility. And we can't beat genetics. High blood pressure is much more dangerous than taking an antihypertensive medication.

If you are walking around daily with a blood pressure over 140 (with or without correction) , then you are risking the same things you claim to be trying to prevent...stroke, heart attack, or your sex life...

 

[pittsflyer]

There are always going to be things that can happen but the higher you make the barriers to entry the safer it will be and not to mention the less people on the roads. Part of the reason the skys are fairly safe for pilots is its to expensive and too onerous for everyone and their mom to go out flying around. How nice would it be if they removed about half the traffic off the roads, driving would be a joy again.

In my state they did a scientific statistical study and found that about half of all drivers either had an invalid license or no/inadequate insurance. HALF of all the cars on the roads, that's crazy.

I think if the cops catch someone like this they should run their car through a trash compactor with no insurance claim (assuming they even have it) so they are still making a car payment with no car and if the cars value is below a certain amount they do non trivial jail time.

I fly because driving has become not fun with all the aggressive driving and road rage.

I still think people with significant mental issues should have their kids taken away, especially if they ran the family through the ringer with their antics and its documented. they should also loose all they gained if anything in a divorce. If the courts started dropping the hammer we would see how many people were left that still had "bipolar" disorder.

But I do agree the guy living in low income housing doing the best he can should be helped out by society, I have no issues paying for the guy who has mental issues trying to live his life and have a part time job and pay for his meds, etc. I just get tired of these people whos behavior leave a wake of destruction in their path and then the claim they are bipolar or what ever as if that is suppose to get them off the hook or get them sympathy for the lives they wrecked, even if its true there should be consequences.

I wouldn't be opposed to making it harder to get a driver's license but driving skill should be tested, not their medical status. And even you weren't born an experienced driver...

Other transient things effect a person's ability to drive...maybe they have fever or are nauseous and just trying to get home from work...maybe they just found out that mom died...maybe they found out their spouse is asking for a divorce ... or their child was just rushed to the hospital...or they just finished a 13 hours shift working at the hospital for the 4th day in a row... how do you propose removing these risks from the roads?

 

[Bobthemotorcycle]

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[redblue22]

ah, yes. get rid of the inferior species.

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[blackribbon]

If you are pre-hypertensive in your 40's, why do you assume that you will not end up hypertensive and on blood pressure medications yourself? You've already admitted to the stress that is a primary factor that causes hypertension.

 

[Bobthemotorcycle]

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[Bobthemotorcycle]

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[com7fy8]

I do not have time to read all the long post on this thread.

Does high blood pressure cause mental illness?

I think high blood pressure is supposed to be able to cause a stroke, which can involve mental function. And mental illness can help to cause high blood pressure as a result.

There are medical conditions which are caused by emotional and spiritual problems.

I think in diagnosing people you need to consider that a medical biochemical problem of a "mental illness" could be caused by spiritual problems. For one example, I think well-known to even secular medical people, is that stress can effect the function of the brain, but we Christians might consider stress to be a spiritual problem which Jesus cures by correcting us to depend on God and not allow circumstances to control us, emotionally.

So, like this, there are mental illnesses which have physical symptoms, but which are more deeply rooted in emotional and spiritual problems. So, it can be good to be diagnosed by someone who believes in the existence of spiritual beings. Or else, a secular person might only consider the physical part and do biased research with the assumption that illnesses are strictly related to physical and circumstantial causes.

So, yes a mental illness may have physical functional things, and medication might effect that, but a physical med can't reach whatever is spiritual. So, it is good to diagnose it correctly, so we can understand how to cure anything which does involve sin. We all have sinned, been born in sin; so I think it is not realistic to assume there can't be any sin at all involved in a mental problem.

In my case there have been plenty of selfish things involved in my personality. And as God corrected these, a psychiatrist or two got "confused".

 

[redblue22]

So,

1. The mentally ill are dangerous; they should be forced meds, children taken, imprisoned, and put to death.

2. God will have no mercy when it comes to mental illness; we should have no mercy either.

3. The mentally ill are that way because of their unrepentant sins.

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[redblue22]

And . . .

I think you should move this conversation down to the mental health section of CF. I would start either with the schizophrenics or the bipolars.

 

[Messy]

So,

1. The mentally ill are dangerous; they should be forced meds, children taken, imprisoned, and put to death.

2. God will have no mercy when it comes to mental illness; we should have no mercy either.

3. The mentally ill are that way because of their unrepentant sins.

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Just saying that some people can use it as an excuse. No not the schizofrenics, but there are a lot of borderline women who behave like utter ***es and abuse their husband. You can't say to God I behaved that way because I was poor and sick. I saw a guy here, his wife has OCD. She tells him do this, do that, yells at him, abuses him and he just takes it. Are you nuts? Go kick that demon out and let her repent. The Gadarene man had no choice whatsoever, but a whole lot do have at least partly a choice.
I don't think that guy that killed 150 people with that aeroplane was a poor thing. That's a demon posessed killer.

 

[blackribbon]

High blood pressure does not cause mental illness. It came into the conversation when it was suggested that anyone who has to take medication on a daily basis to function normally should not be allowed a driver's license...meaning mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to drive even if their meds do allow them to function normally. Wanted to know if that also applied to people taking meds like antihypertensives which also are taken daily and required to function normally.

This does not belong in the specialty areas of mental illness because it was intended to try to let people know their misperceptions about mental illness are wrong, that it is a medical condition and not a "heart" condition....however, that was obviously lost on many people.

Mental illness is a malfunction of the brain which the symptoms are that people do not act "normal". Yes, they need to be held responsible for their actions to the extent that they can control them but if they are acting out in a psychotic state, that also needs to be recognized as a medical issue no different than a person who has a personality change related to a medical issues such as deadly high blood sugars or an allergic reaction to a medication (paradoximal rage reaction or steroidal related personality changes).

Although borderline personality disorders need to be taught what is appropriate but it also needs to be understood that they don't process information the same way and what seems to be "common sense" to someone without this disorder cant always even be taught to this person. And yes, a bossy OCD person needs to be called out for the "bossiness" but the OCD is an anxiety order that needs to be address as such and the "bossiness" isn't part of their mental illness.

I am so glad to see such "compassion" exists in our Christian community (she rolls her eyes). Obviously Jesus only loves the "well-behaved" and the people that don't have anything wrong with them. The rest...well, we are to judge heavily so that they can become good enough to sit by us at church and earn their way into heaven. I hope that you are just as hard on the people who have strokes ... telling them to repent ... as those who are suffering from manic episodes and anxiety issues.

I find it ironic that people seem to think their medical issues are non-issues even if they are behaviorally caused (like so much hypertension, renal conditions, and heart disease is) and that somehow as they age, they will not move into the category where they actually need medical attention on a regular basis. At that point, they might get to see what anxiety disorders and depression feel like since both of these tend to accompany chronic and life threatening disorders like cancer, or heart disease.

Ignorance is still live and rampant in the church...and somehow we think we are justified in judging others even when our lives are not perfect.

 

[dayhiker]

Thanks for the discussion above.
I don't know much about mental disorders. I have been learning about Borderline Personality disorder because I have a GF who has 3 traits of it and a son who has been diagnosed as having BPD. Clearly these people need a lot of love. Not just love that lets them slide with bad behavior as that doesn't help either. But there does need to be a validation of their right to feel the emotions they do have and ask them to moderate the emotions that hurt others. The trick from what I'm learning is to know what is valid and what needs to be moderated.

 

[Vlad The Exhaler]

Imagining the brain is getting more detailed...some day, it might actually be possible to diagnose mental illnesses with scans and tangible evidence instead of just diagnosing it on symptoms and patient reports of symptoms.

How Brain Scans Could Become EKGs for Mental Disorders | TIME.com

It might also remove the stigma and get people to realize that these are real medical conditions that need treatment instead of the popular stance that these are just "bad behavior" and the patient has control to correct the situation simply by a change in attitude.

Hmm. This seems like a slippery slope to me. Behavior does effect brain function, and what shows up on brain imaging. The synopsis you have provided and a brief scan of the article seems to indicate an assumption of the illness as something innate, uncontrollable and without remedy accept for medications of some sort.

While that may be in some cases - it is a pretty broad step to widen it to all cases.

I just watched this brief study on how porn addiction affects the brain - and one of the most fascinating aspects of it is the reversibility of many the symptoms that come from that - including what shows up on brain scans:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSF82AwSDiU

 

[Messy]

High blood pressure does not cause mental illness. It came into the conversation when it was suggested that anyone who has to take medication on a daily basis to function normally should not be allowed a driver's license...meaning mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to drive even if their meds do allow them to function normally. Wanted to know if that also applied to people taking meds like antihypertensives which also are taken daily and required to function normally.

This does not belong in the specialty areas of mental illness because it was intended to try to let people know their misperceptions about mental illness are wrong, that it is a medical condition and not a "heart" condition....however, that was obviously lost on many people.

Mental illness is a malfunction of the brain which the symptoms are that people do not act "normal". Yes, they need to be held responsible for their actions to the extent that they can control them but if they are acting out in a psychotic state, that also needs to be recognized as a medical issue no different than a person who has a personality change related to a medical issues such as deadly high blood sugars or an allergic reaction to a medication (paradoximal rage reaction or steroidal related personality changes).

Although borderline personality disorders need to be taught what is appropriate but it also needs to be understood that they don't process information the same way and what seems to be "common sense" to someone without this disorder cant always even be taught to this person. And yes, a bossy OCD person needs to be called out for the "bossiness" but the OCD is an anxiety order that needs to be address as such and the "bossiness" isn't part of their mental illness.

I am so glad to see such "compassion" exists in our Christian community (she rolls her eyes). Obviously Jesus only loves the "well-behaved" and the people that don't have anything wrong with them. The rest...well, we are to judge heavily so that they can become good enough to sit by us at church and earn their way into heaven. I hope that you are just as hard on the people who have strokes ... telling them to repent ... as those who are suffering from manic episodes and anxiety issues.

I find it ironic that people seem to think their medical issues are non-issues even if they are behaviorally caused (like so much hypertension, renal conditions, and heart disease is) and that somehow as they age, they will not move into the category where they actually need medical attention on a regular basis. At that point, they might get to see what anxiety disorders and depression feel like since both of these tend to accompany chronic and life threatening disorders like cancer, or heart disease.

Ignorance is still live and rampant in the church...and somehow we think we are justified in judging others even when our lives are not perfect.

They said I had mild borderline and I do understand my ex for dumping me, I was horrible and it was sin and it was also sin when they gave me wrong medication and I got psychotic and tried to kill myself, it was still sin and I still had to repent from all the anger and hate to be set free. It's much harder than for a normal person but you can't say it's not sin and yes ideally a man is as loving as the Lord Himself and very understanding, but I understand that he wasn't. If we had gone to T.B. Joshua to have some demons kicked out and if he had been open to correction too our marriage could have been saved.

Lately a woman in our church was healed from bipolar. She did go to the psychiaters etc. while we also prayed for her and they said she doesn't have to come back anymore.

 

[pittsflyer]

No, people (church or not) believe in protecting themselves from abhorrent behavior whether its under the guise of mental illness or not. If a demon can be removed like Jesus did it then great but im not going to live with abhorrent behavior day in day out and neither did Jesus.

High blood pressure does not cause mental illness. It came into the conversation when it was suggested that anyone who has to take medication on a daily basis to function normally should not be allowed a driver's license...meaning mentally ill people shouldn't be allowed to drive even if their meds do allow them to function normally. Wanted to know if that also applied to people taking meds like antihypertensives which also are taken daily and required to function normally.

This does not belong in the specialty areas of mental illness because it was intended to try to let people know their misperceptions about mental illness are wrong, that it is a medical condition and not a "heart" condition....however, that was obviously lost on many people.

Mental illness is a malfunction of the brain which the symptoms are that people do not act "normal". Yes, they need to be held responsible for their actions to the extent that they can control them but if they are acting out in a psychotic state, that also needs to be recognized as a medical issue no different than a person who has a personality change related to a medical issues such as deadly high blood sugars or an allergic reaction to a medication (paradoximal rage reaction or steroidal related personality changes).

Although borderline personality disorders need to be taught what is appropriate but it also needs to be understood that they don't process information the same way and what seems to be "common sense" to someone without this disorder cant always even be taught to this person. And yes, a bossy OCD person needs to be called out for the "bossiness" but the OCD is an anxiety order that needs to be address as such and the "bossiness" isn't part of their mental illness.

I am so glad to see such "compassion" exists in our Christian community (she rolls her eyes). Obviously Jesus only loves the "well-behaved" and the people that don't have anything wrong with them. The rest...well, we are to judge heavily so that they can become good enough to sit by us at church and earn their way into heaven. I hope that you are just as hard on the people who have strokes ... telling them to repent ... as those who are suffering from manic episodes and anxiety issues.

I find it ironic that people seem to think their medical issues are non-issues even if they are behaviorally caused (like so much hypertension, renal conditions, and heart disease is) and that somehow as they age, they will not move into the category where they actually need medical attention on a regular basis. At that point, they might get to see what anxiety disorders and depression feel like since both of these tend to accompany chronic and life threatening disorders like cancer, or heart disease.

Ignorance is still live and rampant in the church...and somehow we think we are justified in judging others even when our lives are not perfect.

 

[pittsflyer]

It all depends on how long it went on, Jesus did not stay in a single area to just be abused (other than the very end but even then asked God to take it away from him which showed his humanity). When these women act like this its not just for a few days or a week and they they think oh I should go get some help and then a week later its on to a healthy relationship.

Why should a guy consume years of HIS life while his wife does nothing. When I say behavior it is more referring to the duration of said behavior or reoccurance. No man is going to leave his wife for issues like this .... unless they go on and on and on and she either has no interest in fixing it or there is no progress. If I am suffering as a result of her behavior it better be fixed ASAP, we are called to live in peace not in chaos.

They said I had mild borderline and I do understand my ex for dumping me, I was horrible and it was sin and it was also sin when they gave me wrong medication and I got psychotic and tried to kill myself, it was still sin and I still had to repent from all the anger and hate to be set free. It's much harder than for a normal person but you can't say it's not sin and yes ideally a man is as loving as the Lord Himself and very understanding, but I understand that he wasn't. If we had gone to T.B. Joshua to have some demons kicked out and if he had been open to correction too our marriage could have been saved.

Lately a woman in our church was healed from bipolar. She did go to the psychiaters etc. while we also prayed for her and they said she doesn't have to come back anymore.

 

[pittsflyer]

As far as people that are on the periphery of my life and are not causing havoc sure get them the pills and help and so forth.

 

[Messy]

It all depends on how long it went on, Jesus did not stay in a single area to just be abused (other than the very end but even then asked God to take it away from him which showed his humanity). When these women act like this its not just for a few days or a week and they they think oh I should go get some help and then a week later its on to a healthy relationship.

Why should a guy consume years of HIS life while his wife does nothing. When I say behavior it is more referring to the duration of said behavior or reoccurance. No man is going to leave his wife for issues like this .... unless they go on and on and on and she either has no interest in fixing it or there is no progress. If I am suffering as a result of her behavior it better be fixed ASAP, we are called to live in peace not in chaos.

Yes it's easy to say to a man: Hey come on, lay your life down for me, you're not loving, lol unless you come into that situation yourself. Later I had a partner who threatened with suicide (met him in the mental hospital) and that was my fault and turned out to be autistic, didn't want to stop with drugs. Hey come on go lay your life down and love him! Then I understood what my ex had been through with me.
I wanted help but we payed thousands of euros, went to Canada for deliverance, inner healing and noone could help me.

 

[pittsflyer]

Laying down your life is for those who are repentant. We should forgive 777 times or more but there has to be genuine repentance and proper living for a time, people get married because they have needs and if those needs are not met, what ever they might be then its a breach.

Eventually people have enough and move on. Now as far as my tax money helping these people I say that is one of the best places to spend money because some of these people can be incredibly talented so its a cause worth supporting in that regards.

Yes it's easy to say to a man: Hey come on, lay your life down for me, you're not loving, lol unless you come into that situation yourself. Later I had a partner who threatened with suicide (met him in the mental hospital) and that was my fault and turned out to be autistic, didn't want to stop with drugs. Hey come on go lay your life down and love him! Then I understood what my ex had been through with me.
I wanted help but we payed thousands of euros, went to Canada for deliverance, inner healing and noone could help me.