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Men and boys alike;
What is your idea of commitment in regards to serious relationships?

Do you have preferences, or 'goals' you want, or 'would want', your relationship to reach?

What are your opinions on things like promise rings, engagement, marriage, the like.

I feel men never want to discuss these things. Why is that?

How do your religious views correlate with these thoughts?

Just curious.
 

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Men and boys alike;
I can be either depending upon the age/wisdom of the other asking.

... What is your idea of commitment in regards to serious relationships? ...
Since the ultimate relationship is with God, this is to take priority over all other relationships.

In matters vertical, Baptism by immersion, is a most serious committment. It is an eternal promise/vow one [who is made] is making with the Maker/Creator. There is nothing more deep and serious than this step, which truly begins the marriage to the Lamb.

In matters horizontal, the Bible [KJB] is to be the standard between the male and female. In fact, it is the man's duty to seek His Heavenly Father's choice first and foremost, and to seek the blessing of the earthly fathers/mothers also. Without these, it is generally 'theft', which is transgression of the 8th commandment [Exodus 20:15 KJB]. For one may steal the affections of another from their guardians/stewards/parents, which is rightfully due to them, as the 5th Commandment states [Exodus 20:12 KJB]. Consider the examples given us in scripture, beginning with Adam. Adam could not ultimately know what was needful for him in an helpmeet, except God, Adam's Father, bring such to him. Consider Samson in his erroneous choices, and in disrespect of his parents desires. There are many such cases in scripture in Genesis 4, 6 and so on. For more, ask about the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men", and I will gladly share the real depth of those things in matters about right relationships.

The female married must be on the same page religiously. Mixed marriages/relationships generally harm any children that come of it, and bring confusion to them, in the divded nature of matters religious, which are at the core of the heart. Notice what Scripture says:

Song of Songs 4:9 KJB - Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.​

First the female must be a "sister" in Christ, before ever to be considered for "spouse". There is no other option. It cannot also be just any 'believer', but must be of the same mind, for consider Moses and his wife, Zipporah. Both were roughly equal in their knowledge of God, and once married walked into greater knowing together. As scripture would say, be evenly yoked and not unevenly yoked. One person cannot be "all the spiritual" for the other. Think of the marriage as the joining of the two hemispheres of the brain, both must work together, in harmony, otherwise there is disphoria, dementia, schizophrenia, etc. As the natural, so the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 JB].

There must be a continual effort to unite in heart and mind, daily, as unto God, otherwise, the relationship is more than like to crack, fracture and split over minor matters.

There must be humilty on both parts, the male and the female, and yet there can only be one head, and the female must recognize this [as in the LORD].

There must be sacrifice on both parts, the male and the female, and yet, the male is to be the more sacrificial, the more self-denying, the most Christlike as possible.

There must be a total sharing with each other, money, etc, and a somewhat sharing of their past [some things belong only to God, and ought stay with Jesus], but in all things clear honesty and integrity.

All things must be tested as far as is possible before marriage. Money is one primary example. Prayer another, and so on.

Take into account the relations of the other person considered. Are they good or bad influences etc.

... Do you have preferences, or 'goals' you want, or 'would want', your relationship to reach?
A Garden of Eden Home school, where all is submitted to God, and the family is united together so far as is possible. Certain goals, would include not living in cities, where there is all manner of crime, filth, noise, pollution, scenes of violence etc. A place where active and healthy activity in the sunshine, fresh air, and so on. A place where food is grown and cultivated, as thus as the earthen soil of the ground, so the earthen vessel of the heart, to be so likewise cultivated, into greater and greater expressions of joy, love, peace, faith and faithfulness, service, ministry and so on [and forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, where needful].

... What are your opinions on things like promise rings, engagement, marriage, the like. ...
All such is forbidden by God, and a 'ring' [etc, Jewlery] spent with God's means, for such purposes is misuse and properly theft thereof. There are many scriptures [KJB] on this [and I know the examples people attempt to use to say otherwise, and they do not understand those texts], however, I will presently share that no piece of jewlery, no matter how precious and valuable, will keep anyone faithful, if the heart is not committed, neither faithful.

The "wedding band" that Christ gave to Eve was the House-band, which is to say, her Hus-band, Adam. It is He which binds the family, in Christ, being priest of the household. It is the males arms of love to encircle the immeditate wife and children, and God's arms around them each and all.

The value of the other, is to be seen in Christ's sacrifice for them. For ye are of more value than many sparrows ...

... I feel men never want to discuss these things. Why is that?
Most who are male are not "men". Christ is the "man" and the example for all such.

... How do your religious views correlate with these thoughts?

Just curious.
Consider [some of the video will cut out, but the audio still goes, very powerful]:





Counsels on Courtship and Marriage:
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-SOP Compilations/MARRIAGE.pdf

Letters to Young Lovers:
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/Letters-Young-Lovers.pdf

Testimonies on Sexual Behaviour, Adultery, and Divorce:

http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/TSB.pdf

The Adventist Home:
http://centrowhite.org.br/files/ebooks/egw-english/books/The Adventist Home.pdf

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I can be either depending upon the age/wisdom of the other asking.

Since the ultimate relationship is with God, this is to take priority over all other relationships.

In matters vertical, Baptism by immersion, is a most serious committment. It is an eternal promise/vow one [who is made] is making with the Maker/Creator. There is nothing more deep and serious than this step, which truly begins the marriage to the Lamb.

In matters horizontal, the Bible [KJB] is to be the standard between the male and female. In fact, it is the man's duty to seek His Heavenly Father's choice first and foremost, and to seek the blessing of the earthly fathers/mothers also. Without these, it is generally 'theft', which is transgression of the 8th commandment [Exodus 20:15 KJB]. For one may steal the affections of another from their guardians/stewards/parents, which is rightfully due to them, as the 5th Commandment states [Exodus 20:12 KJB]. Consider the examples given us in scripture, beginning with Adam. Adam could not ultimately know what was needful for him in an helpmeet, except God, Adam's Father, bring such to him. Consider Samson in his erroneous choices, and in disrespect of his parents desires. There are many such cases in scripture in Genesis 4, 6 and so on. For more, ask about the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men", and I will gladly share the real depth of those things in matters about right relationships.

The female married must be on the same page religiously. Mixed marriages/relationships generally harm any children that come of it, and bring confusion to them, in the divded nature of matters religious, which are at the core of the heart. Notice what Scripture says:

Song of Songs 4:9 KJB - Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.​

First the female must be a "sister" in Christ, before ever to be considered for "spouse". There is no other option. It cannot also be just any 'believer', but must be of the same mind, for consider Moses and his wife, Zipporah. Both were roughly equal in their knowledge of God, and once married walked into greater knowing together. As scripture would say, be evenly yoked and not unevenly yoked. One person cannot be "all the spiritual" for the other. Think of the marriage as the joining of the two hemispheres of the brain, both must work together, in harmony, otherwise there is disphoria, dementia, schizophrenia, etc. As the natural, so the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 JB].

There must be a continual effort to unite in heart and mind, daily, as unto God, otherwise, the relationship is more than like to crack, fracture and split over minor matters.

There must be humilty on both parts, the male and the female, and yet there can only be one head, and the female must recognize this [as in the LORD].

There must be sacrifice on both parts, the male and the female, and yet, the male is to be the more sacrificial, the more self-denying, the most Christlike as possible.

There must be a total sharing with each other, money, etc, and a somewhat sharing of their past [some things belong only to God, and ought stay with Jesus], but in all things clear honesty and integrity.

All things must be tested as far as is possible before marriage. Money is one primary example. Prayer another, and so on.

Take into account the relations of the other person considered. Are they good or bad influences etc.

A Garden of Eden Home school, where all is submitted to God, and the family is united together so far as is possible. Certain goals, would include not living in cities, where there is all manner of crime, filth, noise, pollution, scenes of violence etc. A place where active and healthy activity in the sunshine, fresh air, and so on. A place where food is grown and cultivated, as thus as the earthen soil of the ground, so the earthen vessel of the heart, to be so likewise cultivated, into greater and greater expressions of joy, love, peace, faith and faithfulness, service, ministry and so on [and forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, where needful].

All such is forbidden by God, and a 'ring' [etc, Jewlery] spent with God's means, for such purposes is misuse and properly theft thereof. There are many scriptures [KJB] on this [and I know the examples people attempt to use to say otherwise, and they do not understand those texts], however, I will presently share that no piece of jewlery, no matter how precious and valuable, will keep anyone faithful, if the heart is not committed, neither faithful.

The "wedding band" that Christ gave to Eve was the House-band, which is to say, her Hus-band, Adam. It is He which binds the family, in Christ, being priest of the household. It is the males arms of love to encircle the immeditate wife and children, and God's arms around them each and all.

The value of the other, is to be seen in Christ's sacrifice for them. For ye are of more value than many sparrows ...

Most who are male are not "men". Christ is the "man" and the example for all such.

Consider [some of the video will cut out, but the audio still goes, very powerful]:





Counsels on Courtship and Marriage:
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-SOP Compilations/MARRIAGE.pdf

Letters to Young Lovers:
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/Letters-Young-Lovers.pdf

Testimonies on Sexual Behaviour, Adultery, and Divorce:

http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/TSB.pdf

The Adventist Home:
http://centrowhite.org.br/files/ebooks/egw-english/books/The Adventist Home.pdf

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Men and boys alike;
What is your idea of commitment in regards to serious relationships?

Do you have preferences, or 'goals' you want, or 'would want', your relationship to reach?

What are your opinions on things like promise rings, engagement, marriage, the like.

I feel men never want to discuss these things. Why is that?

How do your religious views correlate with these thoughts?

Just curious.

Commitment should be absolute and mirror ones commitment to Christ and be something surpassed only by said commitment to God and Christ. Trust ought not be treated lightly. I take that very seriously, at least.

This is probably why I am not much in a hurry, despite really wanting a LTR, because it takes a while to truly know a person.

A relationship itself is about mutual support, trust and compromise in favour of the other. A family should not be a place of conflict and anger but of refuge, safety and love.

Marriage? ‘Til death do us part. Period.
I like the traditional symbolism with rings, but in the end, the commitment to the significant other is what matter. The symbolism behind it isn’t all that important.

Personally, I dream of marrying a strong Christian woman of character, one that I can love and trust without reservations, one I can be open with, have many kids and whoever knocks on the door would be welcome and invited to stay. Pretty old fashioned, but that’s what appeals to me. I also accept alternatives though :D

God is glorified that way, and that makes me happy :3

*sigh* Seems very far out of reach though. I am not particually sure that the way I am right now that I deserve to call a strong woman my own and that I could handle the responsibility that a serious LTR requires.
Well, what matters is the path the Lord has laid out and to follow it with due diligence. If He is willing, I will be able to be with the woman of my dreams. If not in this life, then surely in the life thereafter :)
 
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Men and boys alike;
What is your idea of commitment in regards to serious relationships?

Do you have preferences, or 'goals' you want, or 'would want', your relationship to reach?

I guess the best way to respond would be to say that I would not date someone if I did not see myself at least potentially marrying them. If I got to the point where I thought that there is no way I could spend the rest of my life with this person, I would end it.

What are your opinions on things like promise rings, engagement, marriage, the like.
There is nothing wrong with promise rings. And I believe we were created in such a way that when our romantic relationships culminate in the commitment of marriage we flourish, and that there will be problems if that doesn't happen.

I feel men never want to discuss these things. Why is that?
I can't speak for every guy, but marriage and having a family are each pretty major, life-altering events, and that can be pretty daunting for a lot of guys. This might seem like a lame example, but it's like starting a new job and then thinking about if that's what you want to do for the rest of your life. Anyone can do anything for five years even, but it takes a lot to own up to committing for a lifetime. There are some holes in that analogy for sure, but it's the best comparison I could think of in terms of mindset. There are really hard things about married life, and there are really great things about it, but the great things can be hard to see until you're actually in the middle of it.

How do your religious views correlate with these thoughts?
This is a big question. My understanding of romance and marriage is completely rooted in my Christian worldview as I believe you won't find a truer way to view it.
 
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I guess the best way to respond would be to say that I would not date someone if I did not see myself at least potentially marrying them.

That doesn't make any sense. Don't you have to date someone in order to find out if you could see yourself marrying them? That is the very definition of dating. I'ts ready, aim, fire, not ready, fire, aim. lol

You're putting the cart before the horse.
 
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That doesn't make any sense. Don't you have to date someone in order to find out if you could see yourself marrying them? That is the very definition of dating. I'ts ready, aim, fire, not ready, fire, aim. lol

You're putting the cart before the horse.

Yeah, I was trying to think of the right way to word that. Let's just say that at the point of a first date, the jury is still out lol. So at that point I haven't come to any conclusions, meaning that there is at least potential there that I could see myself marrying that person eventually. But if I get to the point where the verdict is a straight-up "no," then I would move on. Does that make sense?
 
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I can be either depending upon the age/wisdom of the other asking.

Since the ultimate relationship is with God, this is to take priority over all other relationships.

In matters vertical, Baptism by immersion, is a most serious committment. It is an eternal promise/vow one [who is made] is making with the Maker/Creator. There is nothing more deep and serious than this step, which truly begins the marriage to the Lamb.

In matters horizontal, the Bible [KJB] is to be the standard between the male and female. In fact, it is the man's duty to seek His Heavenly Father's choice first and foremost, and to seek the blessing of the earthly fathers/mothers also. Without these, it is generally 'theft', which is transgression of the 8th commandment [Exodus 20:15 KJB]. For one may steal the affections of another from their guardians/stewards/parents, which is rightfully due to them, as the 5th Commandment states [Exodus 20:12 KJB]. Consider the examples given us in scripture, beginning with Adam. Adam could not ultimately know what was needful for him in an helpmeet, except God, Adam's Father, bring such to him. Consider Samson in his erroneous choices, and in disrespect of his parents desires. There are many such cases in scripture in Genesis 4, 6 and so on. For more, ask about the "sons of God" and the "daughters of men", and I will gladly share the real depth of those things in matters about right relationships.

The female married must be on the same page religiously. Mixed marriages/relationships generally harm any children that come of it, and bring confusion to them, in the divded nature of matters religious, which are at the core of the heart. Notice what Scripture says:

Song of Songs 4:9 KJB - Thou hast ravished my heart, my sister, my spouse; thou hast ravished my heart with one of thine eyes, with one chain of thy neck.​

First the female must be a "sister" in Christ, before ever to be considered for "spouse". There is no other option. It cannot also be just any 'believer', but must be of the same mind, for consider Moses and his wife, Zipporah. Both were roughly equal in their knowledge of God, and once married walked into greater knowing together. As scripture would say, be evenly yoked and not unevenly yoked. One person cannot be "all the spiritual" for the other. Think of the marriage as the joining of the two hemispheres of the brain, both must work together, in harmony, otherwise there is disphoria, dementia, schizophrenia, etc. As the natural, so the spiritual [1 Corinthians 15:46 JB].

There must be a continual effort to unite in heart and mind, daily, as unto God, otherwise, the relationship is more than like to crack, fracture and split over minor matters.

There must be humilty on both parts, the male and the female, and yet there can only be one head, and the female must recognize this [as in the LORD].

There must be sacrifice on both parts, the male and the female, and yet, the male is to be the more sacrificial, the more self-denying, the most Christlike as possible.

There must be a total sharing with each other, money, etc, and a somewhat sharing of their past [some things belong only to God, and ought stay with Jesus], but in all things clear honesty and integrity.

All things must be tested as far as is possible before marriage. Money is one primary example. Prayer another, and so on.

Take into account the relations of the other person considered. Are they good or bad influences etc.

A Garden of Eden Home school, where all is submitted to God, and the family is united together so far as is possible. Certain goals, would include not living in cities, where there is all manner of crime, filth, noise, pollution, scenes of violence etc. A place where active and healthy activity in the sunshine, fresh air, and so on. A place where food is grown and cultivated, as thus as the earthen soil of the ground, so the earthen vessel of the heart, to be so likewise cultivated, into greater and greater expressions of joy, love, peace, faith and faithfulness, service, ministry and so on [and forgiveness, patience, long-suffering, where needful].

All such is forbidden by God, and a 'ring' [etc, Jewlery] spent with God's means, for such purposes is misuse and properly theft thereof. There are many scriptures [KJB] on this [and I know the examples people attempt to use to say otherwise, and they do not understand those texts], however, I will presently share that no piece of jewlery, no matter how precious and valuable, will keep anyone faithful, if the heart is not committed, neither faithful.

The "wedding band" that Christ gave to Eve was the House-band, which is to say, her Hus-band, Adam. It is He which binds the family, in Christ, being priest of the household. It is the males arms of love to encircle the immeditate wife and children, and God's arms around them each and all.

The value of the other, is to be seen in Christ's sacrifice for them. For ye are of more value than many sparrows ...

Most who are male are not "men". Christ is the "man" and the example for all such.

Consider [some of the video will cut out, but the audio still goes, very powerful]:





Counsels on Courtship and Marriage:
http://www.sdadefend.com/MINDEX-SOP Compilations/MARRIAGE.pdf

Letters to Young Lovers:
http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/Letters-Young-Lovers.pdf

Testimonies on Sexual Behaviour, Adultery, and Divorce:

http://www.ellenwhitedefend.com/Family-Education/TSB.pdf

The Adventist Home:
http://centrowhite.org.br/files/ebooks/egw-english/books/The Adventist Home.pdf

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You certainly know your biblical lines, but I was hoping to earn more realistic responses to my thread. I can't help but wonder if you've ever personally dealt with issues related to commitment and human relationships.
If nothing else, thank you for the time and effort you put into your response.
 
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Sorry, I deleted my original response - I wasn't satisfied with it.

I think commitment should just come naturally, when two people love each other and decide that's the person they want to go through this life with, have a family with, etc. I feel they should get engaged (male proposes is best in my mind), and then marry.
I'm sure promise rings are fine depending on the relationship, I've never given one myself so I don't really know much about it.
 
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I will say though as boyfriend and girlfriend there is already a commitment there aswell... a natural bond that has do's and dont's, like cheating (physically or emotionally), or flirting with others.

Some may disagree with that of course, but what else is new?
 
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- The more serious the relationship, the more committed in my opinion.

- I'm mostly just looking for a mutually symbiotic relationship. One in which we bring out each others' better traits, and work to meet each others needs, making our lives better together than apart.

- Engagement rings and marriage are cool with me. When it comes to promise rings, however, I think it may be better to just live out one's convictions rather than draw attention to it. Also, l think they may make some young women feel worse if they didn't wait than they might otherwise. What good can come of that?

- If we don't talk about things like commitment, the timing might be wrong. Also, it can bring up feelings, and talking about feelings can make some guys uncomfortable. Especially early in a relationship, when you still don't know much about each other.
 
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I would love to commit to a woman, one who wants to commit as well. The problem is, I’ve yet to find a woman who wants me for me. Commitment without compatibility and respect will just lead to misery.
 
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My positions on this subject changes all the time. Part of me likes the idea of marriage and desire it (preferably during my early 30s). The intent of marriage being this should be something that will preferably last until one of us dies. Sadly the skeptical side of my mind views this largely as a fairy tale. Not that there are not examples of couples being happily married for the rest of their lives, but I think the odds are not in our favor.

Engagement rings are fine, anything that makes the partner happy. I wouldn't say I'm too big on dreaming of my wedding or anything. I just like the official status of marriage. Especially the older you get, there is an urge to become more established.
 
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Men and boys alike;
What is your idea of commitment in regards to serious relationships?
Well, marriage is supposed to be for life.

Do you have preferences, or 'goals' you want, or 'would want', your relationship to reach?
If I get married, I want it to last for life, and I don't want to regret it or for her to regret it. I want there to be respect, faithfulness, truthfulness, and for agreements to be honored. And of course, regular and frequent sex.

What are your opinions on things like promise rings, engagement, marriage, the like.
Promise rings are representative of a cheesy movement which gives something I value (sexual purity) a bad name with its weirdness.

Engagement rings actually mean something. If that day ever comes, I'll get her a diamond, but diamonds are a racket.

A wedding ring actually means something. It should be worn and taken care of.

I feel men never want to discuss these things. Why is that?
There's a context to every time you ask a man this stuff in a relationship. Perhaps something in that context makes him uncomfortable.

How do your religious views correlate with these thoughts?
Yes.
 
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I want to meet one woman and fall in love with that woman and spend the rest of my life with her. Not interested in dating around or having sex with multiple partners, etc.
 
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Why do you think so many families end up on the former spectrum of what you described?

The easy answer is probably the answer to most plights, namely the fallen human nature.
I will not pretent to be an expert on family matters, but there are a few things that come to mind. Egocentrism is the biggest offender, in my opinion. The ‘my way or the highway’ approach and the conviction that one is right is far to common. Not only does that view separate one from God, it will result in conflicts of interest. Thus a relationship becomes more about what the one person wants and this will lead to conflict. In a self-centered view, your negative traits become invisible and the ones of your partner come accentuated.
I could go on, but I think that most issues within a relationship can be traces back to an overwhelming focus on self and lack of focus on God.

To be fair, a successful relationship is not as conplicated, however, it requires one to do the most difficult step of all, to let go of self for the sake of the other. As Jesus said, we must die to self. We must take our cross and follow him ;)
 
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