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um.. yeah. He was God...

I won't continue this discussion any further because its a complete derailment, but I would just caution you once again about being floored by pastors who seem to know the world's secrets. Can God reveal? Yes, but it would be rather rare, and it is not something that every pastor has access to that knowledge because he's a pastor. Pastors are sinful men living under the grace of God (assuming they're saved) just like every other believer.

Don't worry about me,I know this topic very well both in theory and in practice.
There are churches you can practically live with a woman or bone all the women even in your own church and nothing happens but there are places were you touch a woman's breast or even touch and you try to join the church choir as usual and the Pastor will come and pull you out so you can't minister and will tell you not to participate in the choir for sometime,no gossip,just God's spirit at work.Fornication is on a different level,like leprocy that's why the church is always commanded not to keep company with fornicators.I know there are many people who will even debate on what fornication actually means but I have no time for such.
 
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All I know is the bible tells me not to keep company with fornicators. Many Pastors know it when their church members fornicate so I guess I would know somehow.
I've seen girls being pulled out of the choir during a church service before because of fornication.
The experience that left a mark on me was at a time I went to a conference where people from different churches were.This pastor from another country went around the hall ministering.He passed near a certain lady and started ministering to her.He said to her 'if you can get your 5 litres of milk everyday for free somewhere would there be need for you to buy your own cow to milk?'.The lady replied and said definitely not.The Pastor then asked her 'why do you continue to give it to George every night if you are not married to him?' The George of it was sitted in a different part of the hall (and was cohabiting with this lady).The Pastor actually picked this George from the crowd and ministered to both of them.
My point is somehow I would know and any church can also know when one of their members is now involved in such.

I hope she gave the pastor one heck of a punch to the face. That's just rude.
 
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All I know is the bible tells me not to keep company with fornicators. Many Pastors know it when their church members fornicate so I guess I would know somehow.
I've seen girls being pulled out of the choir during a church service before because of fornication.
The experience that left a mark on me was at a time I went to a conference where people from different churches were.This pastor from another country went around the hall ministering.He passed near a certain lady and started ministering to her.He said to her 'if you can get your 5 litres of milk everyday for free somewhere would there be need for you to buy your own cow to milk?'.The lady replied and said definitely not.The Pastor then asked her 'why do you continue to give it to George every night if you are not married to him?' The George of it was sitted in a different part of the hall (and was cohabiting with this lady).The Pastor actually picked this George from the crowd and ministered to both of them.
My point is somehow I would know and any church can also know when one of their members is now involved in such.
That woman was so wrong it's sad! Selling milk is a lucrative trade--as is selling cattle manure as fertilizer.
 
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I hope she gave the pastor one heck of a punch to the face. That's just rude.

I wouldn't go so far as physical violence, but I certainly wouldn't be pastored by someone who broadcasts other people's problems like that. "Rude" doesn't even begin to describe it.
 
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All I know is the bible tells me not to keep company with fornicators.

Depends on which part you read. The Savior didn't have a problem hanging out with them, serving, or being served by them.

Many Pastors know it when their church members fornicate so I guess I would know somehow.
I've seen girls being pulled out of the choir during a church service before because of fornication.

That is a church I'd leave in a heartbeat. Not because I believe fornication is ok - but because unless it's having a detrimental effect on the community - it really is no one's business but the people involved and God.

The experience that left a mark on me was at a time I went to a conference where people from different churches were.This pastor from another country went around the hall ministering.He passed near a certain lady and started ministering to her.He said to her 'if you can get your 5 litres of milk everyday for free somewhere would there be need for you to buy your own cow to milk?'.The lady replied and said definitely not.The Pastor then asked her 'why do you continue to give it to George every night if you are not married to him?' The George of it was sitted in a different part of the hall (and was cohabiting with this lady).The Pastor actually picked this George from the crowd and ministered to both of them.
My point is somehow I would know and any church can also know when one of their members is now involved in such.

Sounds like the kind of church my former partner went to before she came to her senses. When "pastors" and other "churchies" start keeping close tabs on the personal lives of others that isn't their business and doesn't adversely affect the community - the possibility of abuse is almost guaranteed.
 
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Depends on which part you read. The Savior didn't have a problem hanging out with them, serving, or being served by them.



That is a church I'd leave in a heartbeat. Not because I believe fornication is ok - but because unless it's having a detrimental effect on the community - it really is no one's business but the people involved and God.



Sounds like the kind of church my former partner went to before she came to her senses. When "pastors" and other "churchies" start keeping close tabs on the personal lives of others that isn't their business and doesn't adversely affect the community - the possibility of abuse is almost guaranteed.

Thanks for being so insightful,what a revelation oh my God, I can't believe I didn't know all this stuff
 
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Stravinsk said:
Depends on which part you read. The Savior didn't have a problem hanging out with them, serving, or being served by them.

That is a church I'd leave in a heartbeat. Not because I believe fornication is ok - but because unless it's having a detrimental effect on the community - it really is no one's business but the people involved and God.

Sounds like the kind of church my former partner went to before she came to her senses. When "pastors" and other "churchies" start keeping close tabs on the personal lives of others that isn't their business and doesn't adversely affect the community - the possibility of abuse is almost guaranteed.

It's a church you do not even need to leave in a heartbeat because they will just ask you to worship somewhere else.

Jesus spent time with fornicators because they were not saved.Once you get saved the rules change,the bible says you put your flesh under and renew your mind.Galatians,Acts & Romans talk about the works of the flesh and how you shouldn't do them.If you live like a devil in church yes you will be judged,judgement starts in the house of the Lord.
1Cor5:
9 I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; 10 not at all meaning with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: 11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such do not even eat with them.
 
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The inevitable law of CF thread entropy strikes again.

I know, right....

But 'tis driving me nuts in THIS thread...'cause I keep hitting it, hoping someone'll pop up and be all 'SQUEAKS, I'll be swingin' by your area! Please to meet up?!' :sorry:

Le rawr. >_<


(Squeakers is in a dreamy, sleepy, goofy mood right now...she should probably go to bed already....)
 
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It's a church you do not even need to leave in a heartbeat because they will just ask you to worship somewhere else.

Jesus spent time with fornicators because they were not saved.Once you get saved the rules change,the bible says you put your flesh under and renew your mind.Galatians,Acts & Romans talk about the works of the flesh and how you shouldn't do them.If you live like a devil in church yes you will be judged,judgement starts in the house of the Lord.
1Cor5:
9 I wrote unto you in my epistle to have no company with fornicators; 10 not at all meaning with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous and extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world: 11 but as it is, I wrote unto you not to keep company, if any man that is named a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such do not even eat with them.

Ah yes. Observe the following video. Notice the blonde in particular. I'm sure she would say the same, whatcha think?

Crazy Christian, Marguerite&#39;s Friends on Trading Spouses - YouTube
 
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Ah yes. Observe the following video. Notice the blonde in particular. I'm sure she would say the same, whatcha think?

Crazy Christian, Marguerite's Friends on Trading Spouses - YouTube

You are getting this the wrong way.This issue does not apply to non believers,they do not believe and they operate in a different kingdom.Sinners sin so if you take yourself from them how will you preach to them?Even the bible in the scripture I gave says the same,if we were to be asked not to keep company with fornicators in the world then we would need to be out of the world.The world fornicates every day but Christians it's different.The women in your video are wrong and those actions are mean.They have no love whatsoever and it will be difficult to get that woman saved.Even in church,it's not like people fornicate and they are chased away immediately.If people repent (change of heart and actions,meaning they stop fornicating) then they have no issues.It's different when you continue fornicating and you have been warned already,in that case they chuck you out.

1Co 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.
1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and have not rather mourned, that he that hath done this deed might be taken away from among you.

Note even in this case,Paul is surprised that the church has not mourned this person would be removed from them.This is what was expected.Churches will chuck you out if you want to live in sin.It is better that you are brought before the church and your case is talked about than that the church prays for you to be taken out.Believe me you will suffer in a big way.

1Co 5:3 For I verily, as absent in body, but present in spirit, have judged already, as though I were present, concerning him that hath so done this deed,
1Co 5:4 In the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, when ye are gathered together, and my spirit, with the power of our Lord Jesus Christ,
1Co 5:5 To deliver such an one unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus.
1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:

This was Paul's directive and this fornicator was delivered to Satan.He suffered a lot in his life then later you will find that Paul was asking the church to have mercy on the guy.Of course the guy repented later and was restored.
You can go and fornicate in certain churches where that kind of behaviour is tolerated.You do that in other churches and live to regret.
 
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Thank you! So... can we hang out sometime?

Bwahaha! Methinks 'tis possible sometime in the future. :D

Don't you live near Pittsburgh, Squeakers? If so it is totally possible for us to meet.

Daha! Depends on your definition of 'near'. :p

But 'tis definitely close by. You're the closest CFer to me. :thumbsup:


Im totally thinking that if nothing changes with my living situation next year that i need to do my east coast tour and see mina henrietta tink and toasty. Among others

Would you meet da Squeakers too...? :bigeye:
 
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