Medjugorje

[D'Ann]

It's quite possible that some critical wording was lost in translation in those disturbing things I posted. I'm attempting to hunt down the author of the book and ask about them.

I do see what you are saying...it is true that we humans have divided up religion...I guess I'm just concerned with the appearance that the apparition is saying that all of those divisions are valid.

When I first read what you posted, I thought the very same thing too. Then I mentioned it to my husband because he knows more about this stuff than me. He told me what I posted tonight. Although, he has no opinion Medjugorje or Fatima. He is neither for or against, I guess he is waiting for Rome to approve or disapprove.

I'm still grateful for your last post though. If for any other reason, we all learn and end up asking questions or reading up on stuff that we might normally not even think of.

God's Peace,

Debbie

 

[bostonlass]

So where's all the postings of how it's bad? Have many here come to an agreement that the messages from Medjugorje are ok now?

 

[krstlros]

Don't know where all the detractors are, to be honest. Last time we had a thread regarding Medjugorje there were two or three. It was a pretty interesting and heated discussion.

 

[krstlros]

Let me see if I can find it and link it for you.

 

[krstlros]

Here is the link to the previous Medjugorje thread:

http://www.christianforums.com/t1596255-medjugorie.html

Hope it helps and gives you a perspective on the detractors side of Medjugorje.

 

[WarriorAngel]

AS Promised to Our Lady, Our Mother, I will defend Her messages in these times.

Long story, but She brought me to Christ.
And through some of my disturbing practices...

 

[krstlros]

May you always be in our Mother's arms, Angel.

 

[bostonlass]

Thanks. Not too many people against it really....or at least not too many willing to put up that much of a debate.


How bad can it be if it encourages one to say the rosary, read the bible, go to confession and receive the eucharist. All good things in my opinion, for what little that's worth!!!

I read where one of the "children" (they're like MY age now!!) lives part time in Boston. I'd be curious to see whereabouts...might just have to look them up!

 

[WarriorAngel]

May you always be in our Mother's arms, Angel.

Thank you much...and many of the same to with you. Blessings.

 

[King of the Nations]

I read where one of the "children" (they're like MY age now!!) lives part time in Boston. I'd be curious to see whereabouts...might just have to look them up!

I think you're talking about Ivan (pronounced Yvonne, I think) Dragicivic. The oldest of the two male visionaries. Yes. He will often speak to groups and such, but not because he is any sort of attention grabber. In my experience with him, he's strikes me as a rather quiet and private man, but one also wishes to do our Lady's work by going and speaking to anyone who will listen to what she has to say.

Peace,

Greg

 

[ThereseOfLisieux]

This link was posted near the beginning of this thread. It is a book that is 200 and some pages long, so I thought that I would post some quotes from it as a read some of it.

http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/fulltext.rtf

Father Jozo Zovko, parish priest of Medjugorje, told the seers that he would prefer the last three apparitions to take place in the parish church. The seers expressed anxiety that this might result in many of those attending the apparitions on the hill ceasing to come, but they eventually agreed. The following conversation is recorded on a tape which is available in the archives of the bishopric of Mostar:

Zovko: What are you going to say to the people?



Ivanka: I could say to them that Our Lady has appeared to us at some other place...



Vicka: ...and that she has told us that we will see her tomorrow in the church, but that others will not be able to see her.



Zovko: All right tell this to the people...6

I guess this makes me one of those detractors that you were looking for. Any opinions about this?

 

[ThereseOfLisieux]

Here is the reference for that last quote.

R. Franken, A Journey to Medjugorje (1999), p. 13

 

[ThereseOfLisieux]

One more short quote tonight.

apparition:

There is but one God for all people, but people have conjured up several religions. My Son is the one Mediator and Saviour of all people, but, as I see it, people get on well if they live their own religion well, if they follow their conscience.


Is Our Lady saying here that the Catholic religion was conjured up by men? How can a religion founded by the incarnation of God the Son be put on the same plane as religions conjured up by men?

I look forward to your comments in the morning.

 

[Dominus Fidelis]

I think you're talking about Ivan (pronounced Yvonne, I think) Dragicivic. The oldest of the two male visionaries. Yes. He will often speak to groups and such, but not because he is any sort of attention grabber. In my experience with him, he's strikes me as a rather quiet and private man, but one also wishes to do our Lady's work by going and speaking to anyone who will listen to what she has to say.

Peace,

Greg

Does he charge?

 

[King of the Nations]

This link was posted near the beginning of this thread. It is a book that is 200 and some pages long, so I thought that I would post some quotes from it as a read some of it.

http://www.mdaviesonmedj.com/fulltext.rtf

Father Jozo Zovko, parish priest of Medjugorje, told the seers that he would prefer the last three apparitions to take place in the parish church. The seers expressed anxiety that this might result in many of those attending the apparitions on the hill ceasing to come, but they eventually agreed. The following conversation is recorded on a tape which is available in the archives of the bishopric of Mostar:

Zovko: What are you going to say to the people?



Ivanka: I could say to them that Our Lady has appeared to us at some other place...



Vicka: ...and that she has told us that we will see her tomorrow in the church, but that others will not be able to see her.



Zovko: All right tell this to the people...6

I guess this makes me one of those detractors that you were looking for. Any opinions about this?


I guess this makes me one of those detractors that you were looking for. Any opinions about this?

My opinion is that I must be missing something. How does that brief snip-it in any way seem to "incriminate" anyone? What are you gleaning from it that I'm not?

Greg

 

[King of the Nations]

Does he charge?

I'm not sure.

Greg

 

[bostonlass]

I think you're talking about Ivan (pronounced Yvonne, I think) Dragicivic. The oldest of the two male visionaries. Yes. He will often speak to groups and such, but not because he is any sort of attention grabber. In my experience with him, he's strikes me as a rather quiet and private man, but one also wishes to do our Lady's work by going and speaking to anyone who will listen to what she has to say.

Peace,

Greg

Is he married?

 

[ThereseOfLisieux]

My opinion is that I must be missing something. How does that brief snip-it in any way seem to "incriminate" anyone? What are you gleaning from it that I'm not?

Greg

Father Jozo Zovko, parish priest of Medjugorje, told the seers that he would prefer the last three apparitions to take place in the parish church.

Why would a parish priest be deciding where he would prefer that Our Lady appear. Does he decide these things? Has there ever been any other case where visionaries (or in this case a priest who isnn't even a visionary) tells her where she will appear.

The seers expressed anxiety that this might result in many of those attending the apparitions on the hill ceasing to come, but they eventually agreed.

Why are they concerned that people will stop coming? Wouldn't this cause visionaries as themselves to be concerned that Our Lady might not appear unless they go to where she has asked them to to? Again this doesn't make sense. In the past the visionary has always followed Our Lady, Our Lady does not follow the visionaries.

The following conversation is recorded on a tape which is available in the archives of the bishopric of Mostar:

Zovko: What are you going to say to the people?



Ivanka: I could say to them that Our Lady has appeared to us at some other place...


Vicka: ...and that she has told us that we will see her tomorrow in the church, but that others will not be able to see her.



Zovko: All right tell this to the people...6

If there is nothing odd about the visionaries and the Priest changing the location of the apparitions then why are the concocting a story that doesn't mention the fact that it wasn't Our Lady who made the change? Wouldn't it be easier just to tell the truth if this doesn't detract from their credibility?


Please tell me, does this not make you suspicious?

Does any one else agree with my take on this?

 

[bostonlass]

As far as I've read, the visionaries now live in different places, yet still get the visions....so wouldn't it stand to figure that wherever the visionaries go...that's where the vision will occur? It's not like they were telling Our Lady where to go at that time.....they just realized that she appears to them wherever they are, so knowing that they decided to go to this church at the time that she normally appears to them.

 

[plainswolf]

Does any one else agree with my take on this?