medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[CabVet]

That's easy. Quote a verse in the Holy Bible that says one way or the other.

So, you don't know, got it.

 

[CabVet]

Of course a literal mountain can be moved from one place unto another by true belief in God.

So, does that mean that there is not a single person in the world with enough faith?

 

[Tiberius]

Link a post.

What's this? Are you under the impression that you don't have to support your claims?

it's time for you to back up your claims. I claimed that Jamin does not have a solid foundation for your arguments since his premises are contradictory, and you made the statement that God has defeated that attack. Firstly, I was pointing something out, not launching an attack. Secondly, God has not defeated it. If he has and I am just not aware of it, however, please show me your source that shows this defeat took place.

You asking me to post a link will not convince me that God has defeated my point. And anyway, what do you want me to post a link to? But since you asked, here's a link...

Cat on a treadmill

Is that what you were after? No? Then you need to be more specific and stop acting like dad...

 

[someguy14]

"All is created by God" is ambiguous, and isn't even a Biblical statement (the Bible only claims that God made all that is made; he didn't make anything that wasn't itself a made thing).

Let's break it down. God created all things. If God is good, all things must be good. If wickedness is being practised, the only logical direction is a choice, seperate from God, that lures the faulty to practicing such behavior. A choice. Love is a choice or it doesn't exist. For example, one cannot force another to love another. it is a conscience choice. We can make robots to perform a specific duty, those robots do not do it because they love the maker of it, they perform it because they were forced to perform such tasks. A man(mankind in general, (male/female)) is given a choice, logic, reasoning. Now whether that being chooses to love or hate is solely dependant upon that being alone. Understand, if possible, that Love is pure. It isn't about selfishness or greedy gain for self or hatred for another, or lusting after a thing, yet rather a genuine focus on helping another, desiring another to prosper in goodness, pureness and joy. It does not expect a reward for it's deeds, in fact hopes for no reward. Straighten. Straight forward. It does not seek another to gain wickedly or prosper through wickedness, instead, gain through goodness, eliminating any snag later. Pureness, that solely helps that individual in every way possible without harming others.

Existence doesn't exist without God. So in all things, be thankful. For we have received. All glory belongs unto God alone, the Maker of all that is. And purifier of all that attempts to destroy goodness itself.

 

[Tiberius]

Belief in God is about repenting of wicked ways. Repent, for the kingdom of God is at hand. Admitting that wicked is wicked and abandoning it. The fruit of the Spirit is gentleness, kindness, goodness, forgiveness, mercy, all things that are good. Give without expectation of receiving something in return. Joyfully give. Why not rather take the wrong, instead of bringing wrath down upon one attempting to hurt you. This flesh is temporary, we witness this. Yet goodness is goodness, eternal. The One that one desires is eternal. All yearn for goodness. It is the pain and torment that that all can do without.

Sounds like a sales pitch to me.

Of course a literal mountain can be moved from one place unto another by true belief in God. This passage helps clear that up.
John 3:12
I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things?

That passage clears up nothing. It makes no mention of mountains or prayer at all.

And there is absolutely no indication at all that a mountain has literally moved due solely to the power of prayer. Of course, if you have some, I'll be happy to look at it.

If one believe's in the words of God about literal things, then one can believe in heavenly things.

The passage says "Earthly" things, not "literal" things. You are presenting this passage seemingly as an argument to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

The truth is, all things are possible with God.

Then why doesn't he act like it? Why does he routinely (in the Bible anyway) chose the most complicated and inefficient methods for doing things? The flood, for example. He has a very old man build a huge boat and then gather up samples of every life form on the planet in order to save them before subjecting the world to weeks of rain and a flood that lasts for close to a year, iirc. Why didn't he simply snap his fingers and be done with the whole thing? If you want, I'll give you lots of other examples.

For our understanding is that God is all things. God is before time began, for God is eternal. Hence the, "I knew you before time beagn".

No, your literal interpretation of an old book causes you to think this.

God is perfect. Love is a choice, otherwise it is forced. Forcing one to love another is an oxymoron. Love itself is precious since it is a choice. The angels that fought against God, chose to reject love and bathed in every evil, such as greed, selfishness and hatred. God has a place for all of the positions in heaven, some have rejected those purposes that are useful.

Hatred is evil? Well, here's a list of 45 things that God hates... At Least 43 Things God Hates

 

[someguy14]

So, does that mean that there is not a single person in the world with enough faith?

Read the scriptures. If one cannot believe in the testimonies of written proof, then that one has rejected all books of history. Perhaps one may say, "well that was years ago, how can I believe in that unless it happens today", I have witnessed it happen. One may not believe in my words, yet it is of truth. So that one must choose, believe in the truth, or doubt. Truth will prevail.

 

[someguy14]

What's this? Are you under the impression that you don't have to support your claims?

Read your post again. Your making the accusation. Post a link.

 

[someguy14]

Sounds like a sales pitch to me.

"Don't do wicked", is good.

 

[CabVet]

Read the scriptures. If one cannot believe in the testimonies of written proof, then that one has rejected all books of history. Perhaps one may say, "well that was years ago, how can I believe in that unless it happens today", I have witnessed it happen. One may not believe in my words, yet it is of truth. So that one must choose, believe in the truth, or doubt. Truth will prevail.

So, does that mean that there is not a single person in the world with enough faith to move a mountain? A simple yes or no will do.

 

[someguy14]

The passage says "Earthly" things, not "literal" things. You are presenting this passage seemingly as an argument to believe in a literal interpretation of the Bible.

Is not the earth literal...

God is all. Things that are seen and unseen, God has created.

Titus 1:2
Inhttp://www.christianforums.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-a hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

 

[someguy14]

So, does that mean that there is not a single person in the world with enough faith to move a mountain? A simple yes or no will do.

All of Gods own can do all things. Gods own can move mountains and all that God allows them to do. Let Gods will alone be done.

Jesus walked on water. walking on water is possible, if God allows. Jesus rose the dead, rising the dead is possible, if God allows. Gods will alone be done.

 

[CabVet]

All of Gods own can do all things. Gods own can move mountains and all that God allows them to do. Let Gods will alone be done.

Jesus walked on water. walking on water is possible, if God allows. Jesus rose the dead, rising the dead is possible, if God allows. Gods will alone be done.

I am not asking what Jesus did or did not do, my question is very specific, I am asking if there is a single person alive today with enough faith to move a mountain. Nowhere in the Bible it says "if God allows". Here is the verse again:

Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

And here is my question again: Is there any person alive with faith as big as a grain of mustard seed that can move a mountain? Yes or no?

 

[someguy14]

Hatred is evil? Well, here's a list of 45 things that God hates... At Least 43 Things God Hates

All of the world perishes. All that perishes is against God. God is eternal. Does a tree do good...of course it does. Does it perish...of course it does. Is the good of use...of course it is. Is the perishing of use...of course it isn't.

All things are good. Wickedness doesn't have purpose. Death is an error. Death doesn't exist without wickedness.

 

[someguy14]

And here is my question again: Is there any person alive with faith as big as a grain of mustard seed that can move a mountain? Yes or no?

If God allows. Gods will is perfect.

 

[CabVet]

If God allows. Gods will is perfect.

How about you support this with scripture? Where exactly did Jesus say that "you can move a mountain if God allows"?

Why is it so hard to admit that all humans are imperfect and lack the faith? Those that lived with Jesus did.

 

[Metal Minister]

I am not asking what Jesus did or did not do, my question is very specific, I am asking if there is a single person alive today with enough faith to move a mountain. Nowhere in the Bible it says "if God allows". Here is the verse again:

Matthew 17:20 And Jesus said unto them, Because of your unbelief: for verily I say unto you, If ye have faith as a grain of mustard seed, ye shall say unto this mountain, Remove hence to yonder place; and it shall remove; and nothing shall be impossible unto you.

And here is my question again: Is there any person alive with faith as big as a grain of mustard seed that can move a mountain? Yes or no?

*blind post* Short answer, no. No human today has perfect faith even the size of a mustard seed anymore. Not even the staunchest, most dedicated Christian in the world has that perfect faith. That faith involves absolute devotion, and we as humans are too weak. As we see in Matthew 14:22-32 Immediately Jesus made the disciples get into the boat and go on ahead of him to the other side, while he dismissed the crowd. After he had dismissed them, he went up on a mountainside by himself to pray. Later that night, he was there alone, and the boat was already a considerable distance from land, buffeted by the waves because the wind was against it.

Shortly before dawn Jesus went out to them, walking on the lake. When the disciples saw him walking on the lake, they were terrified. "It's a ghost," they said, and cried out in fear.

But Jesus immediately said to them: "Take courage! It is I. Don't be afraid."

"Lord, if it's you," Peter replied, "tell me to come to you on the water."

"Come," he said.

Then Peter got down out of the boat, walked on the water and came toward Jesus. But when he saw the wind, he was afraid and, beginning to sink, cried out, "Lord, save me!"

Immediately Jesus reached out his hand and caught him. "You of little faith," he said, "why did you doubt?"

And when they climbed into the boat, the wind died down.

Even Peter, one of Jesus's disciples, who had seen Him perform countless miracles, including the one he saw before him, still had fears. He let his fear and doubt snuff his faith, and so, began to sink into the water. We have never directly seen a miracle from Jesus, and we have even less faith. We may know Him, and be saved by Him, but we have too little faith.

 

[CabVet]

*blind post* Short answer, no. No human today has perfect faith even the size of a mustard seed anymore. Not even the staunchest, most dedicated Christian in the world has that perfect faith. That faith involves absolute devotion, and we as humans are too weak.

Thank you. That was the answer I was looking for. Someguy14 was incapable of admitting it, perhaps he will learn something from you.

 

[Metal Minister]

Thank you. That was the answer I was looking for. Someguy14 was incapable of admitting it, perhaps he will learn something from you.

Not sure why? It was an easy question... *shrug*

 

[someguy14]

How about you support this with scripture? Where exactly did Jesus say that "you can move a mountain if God allows"?

Why is it so hard to admit that all humans are imperfect and lack the faith? Those that lived with Jesus did.

Matthew 26:39
And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Matthew 26:42
He went away again the second time, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if this cup may not pass away from me, except I drink it, thy will be done.


Psalm 62:11
God hath spoken once; twice have I heard this; that powerhttp://www.christianforums.com/#fn-descriptionAnchor-a belongeth unto God.

 

[someguy14]

*blind post* Short answer, no. No human today has perfect faith even the size of a mustard seed anymore.

All of Gods own have the faith of God.
Gods will alone be done.