medical students boycotting lectures on evolution

[Mr. Pedantic]

You could send a letter, but you do not have an airplane if you wanted to go visit him. The point is the ministry is involved in Africa to the point where they have their own airplane to get back and forth. They go places in Africa were planes this big usually do not go. What are you doing in the way of ministry to help the people in Africa? There really are people in the world that want to get out and make a difference and do what they can to help others. We try to make this world a better place to live. NO matter how tiny my part is in all of that, at least something is better then nothing.

You literally know next to nothing about me, yet you say this kind of crap? Even if you were right (which you're not) that in no way demonstrates that I am wrong.

You still have nothing.

 

[sfs]

If anything less than 100% of denominations do that, it's a travesty.

Oh come, I think you're being a little harsh. Surely it's a good thing that most denominations don't urge members to avoid medical care, just as it's a good thing that most don't urge members to hit themselves repeatedly with hammers, or murder their enemies and feast on their livers. Just consider what they could be doing, and I think you'll agree that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Oh come, I think you're being a little harsh. Surely it's a good thing that most denominations don't urge members to avoid medical care, just as it's a good thing that most don't urge members to hit themselves repeatedly with hammers, or murder their enemies and feast on their livers. Just consider what they could be doing, and I think you'll agree that we live in the best of all possible worlds.

We don't congratulate normal people when they don't go out and go all Texas Chainsaw Massacre in a shopping mall, it's expected. Likewise, we shouldn't congratulate denominations that don't promote stupid and ignorant practices, it should be expected.

 

[sfs]

We don't congratulate normal people when they don't go out and go all Texas Chainsaw Massacre in a shopping mall, it's expected. Likewise, we shouldn't congratulate denominations that don't promote stupid and ignorant practices, it should be expected.

Here's a suggestion. Find the missing element in this sequence:
chromiumy, manganesey, ??, cobalty, nickely

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

Here's a suggestion. Find the missing element in this sequence:
chromiumy, manganesey, ??, cobalty, nickely

Oh, oh oh! I see what you did there!

...My point still stands.

 

[46AND2]

I said: "the doctors say". That means this is what the medical establishment says. I DID NOT SAY: The conspiracy people say. If you would do your research you will see the test is NOT that dependable. So skeptics and scoffers tend to say people were not healed by God, the results from the test was just not dependable. Only people test HIV positive, then they repent, turn away from their sin. God heals them and they are now HIV clean. They do not care what the skeptics and scoffers say because they are just happy that they are no longer testing HIV positive. At that point any negative attitude people have pretty much becomes like water rolling off the back of a duck. That is what it means to be set free and to become a new creation in Christ.

Or, you go with what is more parsimonious, that the test really was a false positive, and they weren't cured of a disease they never had.

Show me a dude who tests positive over multiple tests for a year, then gets tested multiple times after being "cured."

 

[Jamin4422]

You literally know next to nothing about me, yet you say this kind of crap?

I did not say ANYTHING about you, I simply asked you a question. To be more exact I asked you what are you doing. It is your prerogative if you want to answer the question or not. I get asked lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of questions on here and people get upset with me if I do not answer their questions. Even though the questions are designed to be a trap or a snare. So I do not see what your getting so touchy about in light of what I have to put up with. The question was rhetorical anyways to get you to think. I was not expecting an answer from you.

 

[Jamin4422]

Or, you go with what is more parsimonious, that the test really was a false positive, and they weren't cured of a disease they never had.

That is right but the people going to the miracle meeting seem to be the ones with the false positive. So I guess that is just a coincidence. That is why we are saved by faith. If you had positive proof then that would no longer be faith. Remember your talking about people in africa where they do not give away free drugs to keep them alive. They have a test showing that they have a 95% chance of being HIV positive. They go to a miracle healing meeting, take the test again and it comes back negative. You are free to believe what you want. This is a rhetorical question so you do not have to answer but how good are you at getting results when you have only a 5% chance? Only 1/3 of the people are going to be saved. So 2/3 of the people can not even get into that group. 95% of the people are not able to get themselves into the 5% group, prayer or not.

 

[46AND2]

That is right but the people going to the miracle meeting seem to be the ones with the false positive. So I guess that is just a coincidence. (snip)...

It's not a coincidence, nor does it mean anything at all...

1. The people who don't get false positives obviously won't claim a miracle, since they don't get cured.

2. The people who get false positives and don't believe in miracles obviously won't claim a miracle because they have a reasonable natural explanation.

So that only leaves people who get false positives AND believe in miracles who make the claim.

The simple conclusion here, is that the reason that all the people who claim to be cured from HIV, really just had false positives initially according to doctors, is because NOBODY GETS CURED FROM HIV! There is nothing coincidental about it.

 

[Jamin4422]

The simple conclusion here, is that the reason that all the people who claim to be cured from HIV, really just had false positives initially according to doctors, is because NOBODY GETS CURED FROM HIV! There is nothing coincidental about it.

If you do not believe in the power of prayer then does that mean you do not believe in metaphysics and mind over matter and the law of attraction? I guess it is also a pretty sure thing that you do not believe in the resurrection power of God.

 

[46AND2]

They have a test showing that they have a 95% chance of being HIV positive. They go to a miracle healing meeting, take the test again and it comes back negative. You are free to believe what you want. This is a rhetorical question so you do not have to answer but how good are you at getting results when you have only a 5% chance? Only 1/3 of the people are going to be saved. So 2/3 of the people can not even get into that group. 95% of the people are not able to get themselves into the 5% group, prayer or not.

I would love to answer, but I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say. What 1/3? Are you saying that only a third of he people are able to get into the healing meetings, and all of them who get in come up with initial false positives? Gotta call BS, again.

I would be surprised if even 20% of the people who go to the meetings end up with initial false positives. Over a large sample, the amount should be around 5%, the same as the rate of error for the test. Small samples could experience some anomalous variation.

 

[46AND2]

If you do not believe in the power of prayer then does that mean you do not believe in metaphysics and mind over matter and the law of attraction? I guess it is also a pretty sure thing that you do not believe in the resurrection power of God.

I don't believe in anything for which there is no evidence. And I look at evidence objectively, and accept the most reasonable explanation. Or at least try to. I am wrong sometimes.

 

[Mr. Pedantic]

I did not say ANYTHING about you, I simply asked you a question. To be more exact I asked you what are you doing. It is your prerogative if you want to answer the question or not. I get asked lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of questions on here and people get upset with me if I do not answer their questions. Even though the questions are designed to be a trap or a snare. So I do not see what your getting so touchy about in light of what I have to put up with.

No, I ask you about why it's okay to take personal testimonies at face value with lethal disease that acts in such a way that patients often remain asymptomatic for years while still being positive. Seeing as you are backing up the claim I think it is reasonable to ask you the questions. But then you passive-aggressively imply that I don't care about people's suffering, and then imply that helping people convince themselves they're cured of HIV when they're not is somehow a good thing.

 

[Jamin4422]

I would love to answer, but I can't figure out what the heck you are trying to say. What 1/3?

This was a reference to a passage in the Bible:

Zechariah 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ”

 

[Jamin4422]

I don't believe in anything for which there is no evidence.

Then you do not believe in anything because there is no evidence for anything.

 

[Cute Tink]

Then you do not believe in anything because there is no evidence for anything.

Define evidence as you mean it in this sentence...

 

[Loudmouth]

If you do not believe in the power of prayer then does that mean you do not believe in metaphysics and mind over matter and the law of attraction? I guess it is also a pretty sure thing that you do not believe in the resurrection power of God.

If someone prayed to a god you don't believe in, and reported being healed, would you convert to believing in that god?

 

[46AND2]

Then you do not believe in anything because there is no evidence for anything.

Are you equating evidence with proof?

 

[46AND2]

This was a reference to a passage in the Bible:

Zechariah 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ”

So you follow the predestination model? If you aren't part of the one third, you're screwed and going to hell, no matter what you believe?

 

[46AND2]

This was a reference to a passage in the Bible:

Zechariah 13:9
I will bring the one-third through the fire,
Will refine them as silver is refined,
And test them as gold is tested.
They will call on My name,
And I will answer them.
I will say, ‘This is My people’;
And each one will say, ‘The Lord is my God.’ ”

Moreover, what does this have to do with whether God heals people or not? Even the one third are eventually going to die. And non-believers also come up with initial false positives. I'm not seeing the correlation you are trying to demonstrate.