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Media Racial Bias

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wanderingone said:
Other nations are offering relief assistance.

Canada I'm aware of. There's also Chevez in Venezula who is offering to give the U.S. "cheap oil" as the U.S. nears the winter months.

I wonder what price tag a dictator who's trying to form his country into another Cuba has in mind. Or is he just concerned because a volcaneo is preparing to erupt within his own country?
 
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night2day said:
Canada I'm aware of. There's also Chevez in Venezula who is offering to give the U.S. "cheap oil" as the U.S. nears the winter months.

I wonder what price tag a dictator who's trying to form his country into another Cuba has in mind. Or is he just concerned because a volcaneo is preparing to erupt within his own country?

Oh please talk about playing "cards" ....we're talking biased reporting and suddenly the "commies are coming" "the commies are coming"

What about Saudi... what price tag sits on their offer of support?

I believe the number of countries offering aid is about a dozen, the US has not requested aid from other nations.
 
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wanderingone said:
How about people (none of us is an innocent) not being rescued and looting being focused on so nobody notices that a nation that has been in a tizzy for years over terrorist attacks still hasn't helped localities come up with viable plans for emergency evacuation during crisis situations?

How about playing up stereotypes of certain groups of people to turn public interest against the people suffering the results of no viable relief plan? An awful lot of the people who couldn't escape as disaster was about to hit are the poorest and most needy of the city.

I don't disagree that there are alot of needy people in this country, I don't think anyone would. Still, there's no excuse for looting and shooting at innocent people, sorry.

I really don't know, but didn't everyone have fair warning of the storm? Weren't there services available so that everyone could leave/escape? Again, I really don't know, that's why I'm asking.
 
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As a minority, I am appalled by the disparity of reporting regarding the actions of people just trying to survive in extremely difficult conditions. This is nothing new, of course, but it does re-emphasize the subtle nature of racism that still mars american perceptions.
 
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night2day said:
Canada I'm aware of. There's also Chevez in Venezula who is offering to give the U.S. "cheap oil" as the U.S. nears the winter months.

I wonder what price tag a dictator who's trying to form his country into another Cuba has in mind. Or is he just concerned because a volcaneo is preparing to erupt within his own country?

OK, are you really living on Planet Earth?
 
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DaveyD said:
...I'm well aware that it's pure American parochialism to make a big issue of this disaster when something like 1,000 people got trampled to death on a bridge in Iraq yesterday too...

So, your saying Americans shouldn't be deeply concerned about fellow Americans? I recieved an IM from a friend who's in Brazil who only had heard America had been hit "real hard" by a hurricane. But nothing else was reported. You're accusation against America only hears of Americans and little else of anyone more can certainly be directed at most any country.

A majority of countries are and should be rightly concerned with situations at home first. That's were the natives are. Are you suggesting people overwhelm themselves by all what's going on within a global scale and head for a nervous breakdown? Worry about situations they cannot help instead of focusing on the situations where they indeed have a better chance of being able to help?

Not that it matters since the loss of human life is the loss of human life. However, you're forgetting the catastrophie that has hit all four states of the Gulf has not even begun to offer much of a death toll. Simply because the concern is helping those who are still alive. And this speaks nothing of the ongoing concerns any type of illnesses and deaths brought on by disease.

...This disaster is also laying bare what the price of poverty is: you will be left behind. Something like 20% of New Orleans was unwilling but more likely, incapable of leaving the city before the hurricane hit. A lot of ignorant folk are asking profoundly stupid questions like, "well, why didn't they leave when they had a chance?"....

While I agree that there are people unjustly accused of "not leaving" when they very well couldn't...there were indeed people who were recorded as stating "I'm stick of these evacuations. I'm riding this one out".

Also you're forgetting Katrina was a level 1 hurricane which hit the Florida coats before it reached the Gulf and turned into a monster storm. There were people who simply didn't take the storm seriously. And you're also forgetting there were also alot of highways which were practically jammed as people tried to leave the city. Even if people had been bused from the poorer sections, tell me where they would have gone if when the time was up and the martial law was installed.

You're also speaking of elderly and those with medical conditions who would have needed special transportation to be helped out of harm's way.

It's rather heart-wrenching. However, playing the little blame game that a city was prepared for a catagory 3 or maybe 4, but certainly not a 5 isn't going to help.

it's becoming increasingly clear that the government either didn't have the means or the will to look after their most needy citizens. And should we be surprised that the bulk of this neglected population also appears to be Black?

Again the little blame game is useless to play. You're conviently ignoreing several major factors to begin with in regards to the situation. As well as matter regarding the levies which were only built to pump out 2 in of water the first hour and 1/2 in an hour thereafter. Please explain how the pumps would be able to even hope to handle rain of 9 inches per hour during the storm. Not to mention the near 30 ft. storm surge?

I'm wondering more who's bright idea was it to build a major city within a basin which was a disatser waiting to happen? Probably the same people who build major cities on major faultlines.

Looting...the moral outrage over property that would have been lost anyways seems like a lot of wasted hot air compared to larger issues.

I guess it doesn't matter that of the looters had stolen guns, lethel weapons, as well? Possibly the same ones which opened fire near the Superdome earlier today?

I've heard rumors that the vast, vast majority of homes and businesses could not or were not insured?

New Orleans, because it was within a high risk location, more than likely would have had really hiked insurances or damages due to certain events would not have been covered.

What's left of the city is within near anarchy. Instead of tossing in race cards, maybe consider the situation in full.

Btw, 4 entire states were affected by this hurricane. Would be nice if we heard about the rest of Louisianna as well as as the other 3 states.
 
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Bill O'Reilly calls looters in New Orleans "a roving urban menace." The racial discourse is flowing and it is no wonder that George Bush and others are spending as much time calling for law and order and accountability as they are sending people water. Interesting that the "rioting that took place after the fall of Saddam was celebrated in Washington as a result of their tasting freedom first time. In repressive, and violent America, is a 'natural' diaster (read Mike Davis), despite its disproportionate affects on poor communities of color (those neighborhoods most affected by flooding are not the Garden District, but those poorest communities (the projects)the only opportunity to taste "freedom." Of course, this argument doesn't ncessarily stand up since many looters are taking rain boots and only those that fit. So, unless there is a run on rain boot sales on e-bay some people need to sit down and begin to put people in front of commodities
 
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New Orleans will never be rebuilt, as far as I can see. With the amount of mold, sewage damage, water damage, rust in unseen areas, structural damage, etc., etc. it would be a fool's errand to throw millions into the same (literal) hole again. Discussions on bigger levees, stronger pumps are stupid and unrealistic, frankly. I think more thought should go into what will now happen to the quarter million people who had no insurance, led a marginal existence before and now have even a worse livelihood. Be honest: a LOT of New Orleans, black and white, would have been called a slum by folks from anywhere else. Where are these citizens going to go? Back to the gutted remains of a soon-to-be-diseased city? A place where sewage, seawater and God only knows what else has coated everything up to the fifth floors and more of some buildings?
Put the work into the people - the city as we knew it is lost. Rebuilding it would be mindless, unless you did it at another location.
 
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night2day said:
Canada I'm aware of. There's also Chevez in Venezula who is offering to give the U.S. "cheap oil" as the U.S. nears the winter months.

I wonder what price tag a dictator who's trying to form his country into another Cuba has in mind. Or is he just concerned because a volcaneo is preparing to erupt within his own country?

Chavez was elected by the Venezuelan people multiple times in fair elections. Just because you don't like who they chose doesn't mean he is a dictator.
 
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Skeptical said:
As a minority, I am appalled by the disparity of reporting regarding the actions of people just trying to survive in extremely difficult conditions. This is nothing new, of course, but it does re-emphasize the subtle nature of racism that still mars american perceptions.

If you have cable check into watching FOXnews. They've been certainly doing alot of reporting on that side. As well as offering their own help to those who survived the storm.

Even going as far as to pull passing authorities aside when someone particularly needed immediate help. Yesterday a mother had a five day old baby who was sickly and had a rather high fever. Another reported took the time to also show how people are dying . He found an elderly man who was dead at the same spot were he had been sitting alongside the road sitting.

Law enforcement and national guard were/are overwelmed. Unfortunately this means with so many people unless the individuals are pointed out they're walked by.
 
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Skeptical said:
OK, are you really living on Planet Earth?

I can very well ask the queston: "Are you?", but I won't. The dictator has already made his feelings of hatred toward the U.S. quite well known to spurn suspicion. However, whether you agree or not, that's gives no justification to belittle someone else for their views..
 
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night2day said:
So it seems people are in a tizzy over the news talking about groups from 2/3rds of New Orleans itself.

No. The complaint is that pictures of white people with stuff taken from stores use words like "finding things" or "looking in his shopping bag", but pictures of black people with stuff taken from stores use words like "looting".

And that is a pretty serious issue.
 
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night2day said:
If you have cable check into watching FOXnews. They've been certainly doing alot of reporting on that side. As well as offering their own help to those who survived the storm.

Even going as far as to pull passing authorities aside when someone particularly needed immediate help. Yesterday a mother had a five day old baby who was sickly and had a rather high fever. Another reported took the time to also show how people are dying . He found an elderly man who was dead at the same spot were he had been sitting alongside the road sitting.

Law enforcement and national guard were/are overwelmed. Unfortunately this means with so many people unless the individuals are pointed out they're walked by.

Non-sequitor. This has nothing to do with the reporting bias apparent in the original post.
 
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night2day said:
I can very well ask the queston: "Are you?", but I won't. The dictator has already made his feelings of hatred toward the U.S. quite well known to spurn suspicion. However, whether you agree or not, that's gives no justification to belittle someone else for their views..

Is Chavez a citizen of the US? Is he bound to US public opinion? If someone is a citizen of another nation, is it against the law to dislike or even hate US foreign policy?
 
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fragmentsofdreams said:
Chavez was elected by the Venezuelan people multiple times in fair elections. Just because you don't like who they chose doesn't mean he is a dictator.

To each his or her own. There's been much evidence to support the charge. Even from his own people. Whether you accept or reject it, that's you're choice.

Lack of Human Rights in Cuba, Venezula, Domincan Republic, & Hati

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As for the danger of volcanic eruption within that country I believe you can verify that on your own.
 
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DaveyD said:
Just some more examples of how things get twisted based on race:


WHEN DESCRIBING BLACK PEOPLE, ITS "LOOTING":
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/480/ladm10208301530

WHEN DESCRIBING WHITE PEOPLE, ITS "FINDING":
http://news.yahoo.com/photo/050830/photos_ts_afp/050830071810_shxwaoma_photo1


What the heck!!?? They both got goods from the grocery store...what's the difference?

well... I hate to disappoint you and divert you from using a natural disaster to promote a political ideology and victim mentality, but... there are two rather important differences...

firstly, they are two different news agencies...

secondly, the black person has sacks full of stuff whereas the white people just have some bread...

now, if they were two comparable photographs, from the same agency, you might have a point.
 
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rebel_conservative said:
well... I hate to disappoint you and divert you from using a natural disaster to promote a political ideology and victim mentality, but... there are two rather important differences...

firstly, they are two different news agencies...

secondly, the black person has sacks full of stuff whereas the white people just have some bread...

now, if they were two comparable photographs, from the same agency, you might have a point.


Yes that was pointed out however I believe some photos of similar ilk are from the same agency.

My question is why is never okay (it seems) to discuss race and why if it is does it have to be a victim mentality? :scratch:

I saw no evidence of victim mentality in any posts.
 
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freewilly said:
Yes that was pointed out however I believe some photos of similar ilk are from the same agency.

well, as I said, if there are, it would be a different matter.

freewilly said:
My question is why is never okay (it seems) to discuss race and why if it is does it have to be a victim mentality? :scratch:

conversely... why is it never okay to discuss race? and if you do, why does it have to be "racist"?

freewilly said:
I saw no evidence of victim mentality in any posts.

is the premise of this thread not that black people are being discriminated against and vilified for "looting" whilst white people are being excused for the same thing?
 
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Sooooooooooo.....................

The black person has a 12 pack of soda under his arm and a sack full of "stuff"

The white girl has some bread and a back pack (along with the guy that has a back pack) full of "stuff" too

But yet one is still presumed "looting" because he has a garbage bag instead of a nice Jansport backpack? :scratch:

So during a major crisis, it is the type of bag a person has that will make the difference between being labeled a criminal vs a victim?

Lord help us all....or me rather because I haven't owned a backpack in years. :(
 
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