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Like many, I've been glued to checking the news coming out of New Orleans every hour. I fully admit - there's definitely a morbid fascination at play here, the macro version of watching a car accident unfold in front of you. I've been trying to work through myriad thoughts about what's happening and how this all might play out for larger questions around society, government and our own mortality.

1) This certainly pales in comparison to last December's tsunami but that was distant enough to feel remote and "somewhere else." I'm well aware that it's pure American parochialism to make a big issue of this disaster when something like 1,000 people got trampled to death on a bridge in Iraq yesterday too. In fact, it seems like disasters of that magnitude happen every other month around the world. Just not here.

Bottomline, it is still absolutely astounding to see one of America's bigger cities - and one with such a cache of identity and history - literally destroyed in front of us. I was asking a historian friend of mine what could possibly compare to this in recent American history and he half-joked, "the burning of Atlanta" which took place during the Civil War. In truth, something like the 1906 Earthquake and Fire of San Francisco would be more recent but certainly, it's hard to remember what else even remotely compares in terms of the sheer vastness of what's been destroyed.

Moreover, you would just think that in 2005, a city the size of New Orleans would be better insulated from this kind of circumstance then by levees failing. I know it's not as simple as that. As the S.F. Chronicle pointed out yesterday, levees bust all the time so perhaps it's not that surprising but seriously, who would have thought a break like this could wipe out 80% of a city?

2) This disaster is also laying bare what the price of poverty is: you will be left behind. Something like 20% of New Orleans was unwilling but more likely, incapable of leaving the city before the hurricane hit. A lot of ignorant folk are asking profoundly stupid questions like, "well, why didn't they leave when they had a chance?" which presumes that you have 100% of a population owning transportation and a means to pay for gas. People who stayed didn't do so because they were stubborn or stupid. They did it because, I believe, they didn't feel like they had any other options but to try to ride it out. Perhaps the next time something like this happens, more people will try to get out but that's only because they have this abject lesson to learn from.

In any case, it's becoming increasingly clear that the government either didn't have the means or the will to look after their most needy citizens. And should we be surprised that the bulk of this neglected population also appears to be Black (at least in the media's eyes)? Nothing like a natural disaster to lay bare all the fictions liberals and conservatives alike hold about the realities of race and class in America. In fact, this practically reads as a Derrick Bell parable.

3) Looting. I don't want to crowd the echo box on this issue any more than it already has but I do think this New York Times piece puts things in a better perspective than the knee-jerks on both sides. One small thought to add: in many cases, people were looting stores that would have been completely destroyed by the flood anyways. That doesn't necessarily make it defensible but the moral outrage over property that would have been lost anyways seems like a lot of wasted hot air compared to larger issues.

4) The pictures coming out of the Superdome are incredible. Many who were housed there are now being moved to the Astrodome in Texas where one hopes conditions are better (like clean water, working bathrooms, et. al.) By the way, just to check the math: 500,000 people live in New Orleans. 20% got left behind. That's 100,000. 30,000 people ended up at the Superdome, several thousand have been rescued the last two days. That leaves at least 60,000 people unaccounted for. 60,000.

5) I've heard rumors that the vast, vast majority of homes and businesses could not or were not insured. How is New Orleans supposed to rebuild itself under those circumstances? What will happen to all those who lost their homes and don't have the financial means to rebuild?
 
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theeyesoftammyfaye said:
yeah. they bought their stuff at the store with no electricity and 3 feet of water and floated it home in trash bags.

Geez dude, there's no need to get 'snippy' here. I wasn't intimating that I think the white people really did buy their stuff and tha tthe black person really did loot his, just pointing out that there could, possibly be more to the story. Alot of the perceived racism in the US is due to people jumping to conclusions based on emotions.

And in response to your snarky comment, there are businesses still open in NO. In fact, people on Bourbon Street resumed partying as soon as the hurricane passed.
 
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I did notice that on the BBC yesterday about 5 minutes was spent on the 55 confirmed dead and hundreds in not thousands more possibly dead in New Orleans which was followed by a 20 second comment about hundreds of people trampled to death in Bagdad, "and now in local news".

But I always knew that whether it is because more cameras means more interesting story or Iraqi's dying is so common it is barely a story anymore (like saying Africans starved to death - just put a number in front and it is "yawn" - 1000 African babies starved to death today: response - change the channel : 50,000 African babies starved to death today, in sports: response: "all right, sports!"). Let's face it, whitey, is just more interesting as he (cause all white women have to be attached to a man somewhere), struggles against his middle class loss.

See, I see the photo and place the caption: "White leader of industry throws himself back into work by planning out on site housing projects for when the water subsides, bread was brought to feed the ducks in a photo op later."
 
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DaveyD said:
Just some more examples of how things get twisted based on race...

Strange. On FOXNews it was pointed out , as well as shown, there's a differnce between people scrounging for food and drink and quite another when people are hoisting electronics and other misc items not needed for survival.
 
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mpshiel said:
I did notice that on the BBC yesterday about 5 minutes was spent on the 55 confirmed dead and hundreds in not thousands more possibly dead in New Orleans which was followed by a 20 second comment about hundreds of people trampled to death in Bagdad, "and now in local news".

Perhaps the term "worst natural disaster in U.S. history" was lost somewhere.

To be fair, the United States is not, nor has it ever been, immune it natural disasters that also happen world wide. Regardless how many people feel it may be. The U.S. is a country like any other.

Unfortunately, unlike when countries cry for help and the U.S. all too willingly aids them, I highly doubt the U.S. will be aided in return...save for Canada which is another thread here somewhere. Otherwise, rather one-way street.

...Let's face it, whitey, is just more interesting as he (cause all white women have to be attached to a man somewhere), struggles against his middle class loss.

Would be nice if people could drop reaching for the race card all the time and stop revealing their own prejudice.
 
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night2day said:
Unfortunately, unlike when countries cry for help and the U.S. all too willingly aids them, I highly doubt the U.S. will be aided in return...save for Canada which is another thread here somewhere. Otherwise, rather one-way street.

Question: How can a third world country give help to one of the richest countries in the world when it's own world debt to such a country is so high???

Surely we shouldn't give and expect to receive when we have so much by comparison??? :scratch:
 
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DaveyD said:
Like many, I've been glued to checking the news coming out of New Orleans every hour. I fully admit - there's definitely a morbid fascination at play here, the macro version of watching a car accident unfold in front of you. I've been trying to work through myriad thoughts about what's happening and how this all might play out for larger questions around society, government and our own mortality.

1) This certainly pales in comparison to last December's tsunami but that was distant enough to feel remote and "somewhere else." I'm well aware that it's pure American parochialism to make a big issue of this disaster when something like 1,000 people got trampled to death on a bridge in Iraq yesterday too. In fact, it seems like disasters of that magnitude happen every other month around the world. Just not here.

Bottomline, it is still absolutely astounding to see one of America's bigger cities - and one with such a cache of identity and history - literally destroyed in front of us. I was asking a historian friend of mine what could possibly compare to this in recent American history and he half-joked, "the burning of Atlanta" which took place during the Civil War. In truth, something like the 1906 Earthquake and Fire of San Francisco would be more recent but certainly, it's hard to remember what else even remotely compares in terms of the sheer vastness of what's been destroyed.

Moreover, you would just think that in 2005, a city the size of New Orleans would be better insulated from this kind of circumstance then by levees failing. I know it's not as simple as that. As the S.F. Chronicle pointed out yesterday, levees bust all the time so perhaps it's not that surprising but seriously, who would have thought a break like this could wipe out 80% of a city?

2) This disaster is also laying bare what the price of poverty is: you will be left behind. Something like 20% of New Orleans was unwilling but more likely, incapable of leaving the city before the hurricane hit. A lot of ignorant folk are asking profoundly stupid questions like, "well, why didn't they leave when they had a chance?" which presumes that you have 100% of a population owning transportation and a means to pay for gas. People who stayed didn't do so because they were stubborn or stupid. They did it because, I believe, they didn't feel like they had any other options but to try to ride it out. Perhaps the next time something like this happens, more people will try to get out but that's only because they have this abject lesson to learn from.

In any case, it's becoming increasingly clear that the government either didn't have the means or the will to look after their most needy citizens. And should we be surprised that the bulk of this neglected population also appears to be Black (at least in the media's eyes)? Nothing like a natural disaster to lay bare all the fictions liberals and conservatives alike hold about the realities of race and class in America. In fact, this practically reads as a Derrick Bell parable.

3) Looting. I don't want to crowd the echo box on this issue any more than it already has but I do think this New York Times piece puts things in a better perspective than the knee-jerks on both sides. One small thought to add: in many cases, people were looting stores that would have been completely destroyed by the flood anyways. That doesn't necessarily make it defensible but the moral outrage over property that would have been lost anyways seems like a lot of wasted hot air compared to larger issues.

4) The pictures coming out of the Superdome are incredible. Many who were housed there are now being moved to the Astrodome in Texas where one hopes conditions are better (like clean water, working bathrooms, et. al.) By the way, just to check the math: 500,000 people live in New Orleans. 20% got left behind. That's 100,000. 30,000 people ended up at the Superdome, several thousand have been rescued the last two days. That leaves at least 60,000 people unaccounted for. 60,000.

5) I've heard rumors that the vast, vast majority of homes and businesses could not or were not insured. How is New Orleans supposed to rebuild itself under those circumstances? What will happen to all those who lost their homes and don't have the financial means to rebuild?


Well worth the read!! :clap:
 
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Who cares? :sigh:

Innocent people are not getting rescued because the police have been forced to focus their attention on these greedy idiots who are looting, walking about with machine guns, shooting at rescue helicopters, breaking into what's left of the houses there, etc, etc.

But let's play the "racism card" and focus on that...it's soooo much more important than what's really going on...
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Oblivious said:
Who cares? :sigh:

Innocent people are not getting rescued because the police have been forced to focus their attention on these greedy idiots who are looting, walking about with machine guns, shooting at rescue helicopters, breaking into what's left of the houses there, etc, etc.

But let's play the "racism card" and focus on that...it's soooo much more important than what's really going on...
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Is it not possible to look at all of the various issues emerging from this? :scratch: Certianly this isn't more important than the immediate relief of suffering but it is an issue and can be discussed. If you don't care don't discuss it. Seems like a simple solution.
 
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freewilly said:
Is it not possible to look at all of the various issues emerging from this? :scratch:

What "issue"? Some looting idiots were not referred to in a "respectable" way? Wow, yes, with all that's going on in this world that's a real "issue".

freewilly said:
If you don't care don't discuss it. Seems liek a simple solution

Tough. If you don't like my posts, then you don't have to quote them and comment on them. Seems like a simple solution.
 
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Oblivious said:
Who cares? :sigh:

Innocent people are not getting rescued because the police have been forced to focus their attention on these greedy idiots who are looting, walking about with machine guns, shooting at rescue helicopters, breaking into what's left of the houses there, etc, etc.

But let's play the "racism card" and focus on that...it's soooo much more important than what's really going on...
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How about people (none of us is an innocent) not being rescued and looting being focused on so nobody notices that a nation that has been in a tizzy for years over terrorist attacks still hasn't helped localities come up with viable plans for emergency evacuation during crisis situations?

How about playing up stereotypes of certain groups of people to turn public interest against the people suffering the results of no viable relief plan? An awful lot of the people who couldn't escape as disaster was about to hit are the poorest and most needy of the city.

It's not playing the "racism" card to notice racist or classist reporting tactics.
 
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Lotuspetal_uk said:
Question: How can a third world country...

Did I say Third World Country? Nope. And for info only: Third World Countries aren't the only countries that exist. There are certainly other counteries which have been helped in the past by the U.S when needs have needed to be met. Yet, instead of offering to help when the U.S. needs it, those same countries convienantly ignore the problem.

Surely we shouldn't give and expect to receive when we have so much...

We're all part of the human race aren't we? I noticed a distinct tone that America should be the savior of the world. Yet when it comes to her own problems, it's "Phycisian, heal thyself", agreed with especially by many liberals who aren't even directly affected by the situation. Yet, they only seem to be interested to take the oppertunity to politicize the situation instead.
 
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night2day said:
Did I say Third World Country? Nope. And for info only: Third World Countries aren't the only countries that exist. There are certainly other counteries which have been helped in the past by the U.S when needs have needed to be met. Yet, instead of offering to help when the U.S. needs it, those same countries convienantly ignore the problem.

Other nations are offering relief assistance.
 
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Oblivious said:
Who cares? :sigh:

Innocent people are not getting rescued because the police have been forced to focus their attention on these greedy idiots who are looting, walking about with machine guns, shooting at rescue helicopters, breaking into what's left of the houses there, etc, etc.

But let's play the "racism card" and focus on that...it's soooo much more important than what's really going on...
rolleyes.gif

Let's not forget those "greedy idiots who are looting, walking about with machine guns, shooting rescue helocopters, etc" are not just armed with machine guns. We're talking about fully armed gangs here.

The issue that some always wish to pull the race card instead of discussing the real issues of concern always astonishes me.

I don't norally do this since I take the stance "human beings are human beings are human beings" and we all have differing skin tones of brown. However, since people wish to talk about race, I take it almost everyone has forgotten what the percentages of the population of the city was noted as:

http://www.city-data.com/city/New-Orleans-Louisiana.html

Races in New Orleans:

  • Black (67.3%)
  • White Non-Hispanic (26.6%)
  • Hispanic (3.1%)
  • Vietnamese (1.5%)
  • Two or more races (1.3%)
  • Other race (0.9%)
  • American Indian (0.5%)

So it seems people are in a tizzy over the news talking about groups from 2/3rds of New Orleans itself.
 
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Oblivious said:
What "issue"? Some looting idiots were not referred to in a "respectable" way? Wow, yes, with all that's going on in this world that's a real "issue".

Media bias and people''s perceptions are an issue, In the grand scheme of all that is going on down there is itmore improtant or even equally as improtant as the other issues, certianly not.


Tough. If you don't like my posts, then you don't have to quote them and comment on them. Seems like a simple solution.

I didn't not like your post and my comment really was not meant to antagonize and for that I aplogize.
 
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