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But it was. It always was. You guys want to lay the full breadth of any and every issue there is with the border at Harris' feet and that wasn't her role. The term came primarily from right-wing media. Axios used it as well, which they noted, but this OP is about how the term is being "scrubbed" and "deleted" and I showed that it isn't.

See, now this is blatant historical revisionism. It was not right-wing media that dubbed Harris the border czar and said she was "in charge" of the border. Pretty much all media outlets regardless of whether they were right- or left-leaning were more than happy to report that Harris was the "border czar" and tout that she was "in charge". It's only now that it hurts her presidential prospects that they feel the need to address the "confusion". But there is no confusion here. Just dishonest spin.

Oh, no. We see that you guys care. A whole lot. Being convicted of felonies, adjudicated a rapist, cheating on pregnant wives with adult film stars, not so much, but using a politically effective label for the opposition? Oh yeah. You care about that.

Apparently you've mistaken me for a Trump supporter, what with your whataboutism flip here. Sorry. You're wrong there too.
 
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Apparently you've mistaken me for a Trump supporter,
I confess brother I also identified you as a Trump supporter or anti Democrat.
 
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The term border czar was used by Republicans prior to "anything bad" being in the news.
Of course, because the facts show they named her that when she was given the task of trying to restrict the flow of migrants and prior to seeing the results of her work.
How about left-leaning it shows because many are back peddling the word border czar.
Left leaning means nothing without knowing what left means. If "left" carries a negative connotation it's insinuative against the left. When we reason on a Left/right dichotomy, the point is to find the common ground which means the balance is in the center. But many people don't realize this, so they are easily manipulated.
The lie comes from ourselves.
Well, facts are dictated by reality and are not based on anyone's opinions. So, if we would reason upon facts we won't be believing or spreading lies.

Slander is about defamation. The scripture says devil=accuser/slanderer. It denotes a spirit that lives in people through belief in lies said and spread about others. Anyone trying to get us to hate someone else without giving adequate proof as to why we should, is of the devil.
 
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I confess brother I also identified you as a Trump supporter or anti Democrat.

Maybe I should start a thread on this topic: Why do we assume that because someone doesn't support our preferred candidate that necessitates that they support their opponent? Believe it or not, they are people that don't pledge allegiance to any political tribe.
 
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Slander is about defamation.
She should be coming into some money for the defamation by the news media. Let the law prevail.
Left leaning means nothing without knowing what left means. If "left" carries a negative connotation it's insinuative against the left. When we reason on a Left/right dichotomy, the point is to find the common ground which means the balance is in the center. But many people don't realize this, so they are easily manipulated.
I agreed. I kind of know who reports favorably on matters to the left (Democrats) and the right (Republicans). The Democrat leaning news outlets are back peddling on border czar. Has the Republican-leading media done the same? This still doesn't change my thoughts no matter how you spin it. Either they are backpedaling from that term or not and from this outside observer they are.
"Laodicean60 said:
How about left-leaning it shows because many are back peddling the word border czar."
 
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But it is the administration's fault for how they enter.
No offense intended towards you, but I think you can understand why I will not accept slander. If someone says something bad about others to me, they have to bring proof that it's true.

The fact is that those who enter illegally sneak in, and they always have throughout every administration as far as I can remember. So, I don't blame any administration for how they enter. But let's not move the goal posts here. Because the blame is now taking on a new form. Before it was Harris who was being blamed for them coming, and now the administration is being blamed because those who enter illegally sneak in. When we're looking to find reasons to blame others, that's the devil. Devil=accuser/slanderer.
I do too that's why we need to figure out how to get them here by other means than human trafficked we've all heard horror stories of abuse and death.
Yes, I sincerely feel for these people, but right now I'm just engaged in pointing out the slander that divides us.
 
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Apparently you've mistaken me for a Trump supporter, what with your whataboutism flip here. Sorry. You're wrong there too.
You are being judged by what you post.
 
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You are being judged by what you post.

No, I'm being judged as a Trump supporter simply because I post critically of Democrats. Try to find something that I've posted in support of Trump. Go ahead. I'll wait...
 
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The fact is that those who enter illegally sneak in, and they always have throughout every administration as far as I can remember. So, I don't blame any administration for how they enter.
Maybe you don't blame the government because you don't have skin in the game I do because my wife's family is affected by this inaction. Luckily for my wife's older brothers Reagan's amnesty helped. I was excited during Obama's DACA talk. I blame the government for the last 30 years since I've been watching immigration.
But let's not move the goal posts here.
What do you mean I moved the goalpost, I gave my opinion on who I think is the culprit.
Because the blame is now taking on a new form. Before it was Harris who was being blamed for them coming, and now the administration is being blamed because those who enter illegally sneak in. When we're looking to find reasons to blame others, that's the devil. Devil=accuser/slanderer.
You are the one who identified this issue as slander. I think you accused first.
 
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She should be coming into some money for the defamation by the news media. Let the law prevail.
Slander comes with running for office. There's a freedom of the press and it's being abused.
I agreed. I kind of know who reports favorably on matters to the left (Democrats) and the right (Republicans). The Democrat leaning news outlets are back peddling on border czar. Has the Republican-leading media done the same? This still doesn't change my thoughts no matter how you spin it. Either they are backpedaling from that term or not and from this outside observer they are.
"Laodicean60 said:
How about left-leaning it shows because many are back peddling the word border czar."
I think the Mainstream media is pretty much controlled by an emerging autocracy. The Supreme court declared "Citizens United" when they equated money in politics with free speech, and now the corporate media is able to rent the market to those who have the money to pay to be heard.
 
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Slander comes with running for office. There's a freedom of the press and it's being abused.
Yes and freedom to manipulate. So why are you bringing up slander or are you speaking for both parties?
I think the Mainstream media is pretty much controlled by an emerging autocracy.
It has already emerged many years ago when I crawled into my trusted news source box.
The Supreme court declared the culprit." when they equated money in politics with free speech, and now the corporate media is able to rent to those who have the money to pay to be heard.
Then we Christians should be fighting for truth in media.
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Maybe you don't blame the government because you don't have skin in the game I do because my wife's family is affected by this inaction.
What inaction? It would be helpful in understanding you if you qualify your terms. I have no idea what you mean by "having skin in the game". What game? And why is it not believable to you when I state forthrightly that I don't blame any administrations for things that they can't control?
What do you mean I moved the goalpost, I gave my opinion on who I think is the culprit.
Actually, I said let's not move the goal posts. And I qualified that by saying, "Before it was Harris who was being blamed for them coming, and now the administration is being blamed because those who enter illegally, sneak in". Those are two different forms of blame.

You said: "But it is the administration's fault for how they enter". You don't say how or why it's the administration's fault that people sneak in. When people say something bad about others, I need to see the reason as to why it's true, otherwise it's just slander. When I say I don't blame the administration for how illegal immigrants get in, I'm not slandering anyone.
You are the one who identified this issue as slander. I think you accused first.
I'm identifying slander as saying something bad about someone without adequate proof. If you give me adequate proof, as in facts not opinions, when you say something bad about someone, then I won't see it as slander.

Thank you, I love this honesty ---> "I think you accused first". <--- With that in mind do you remember this exchange below?

I don't understand. What distinction should be drawn when both parties bad mouth each other?
I'm saying not to get lost in the semantics. To elaborate, don't get lost in the semantics so that you can't tell a positive from a negative. To elaborate further, don't get lost in the semantics so that you can't tell the truth from the lie.

Example: A calls B a liar without any proof, which is a lie in itself. So, B calls A a liar which is true and not a lie. <--- There is a distinction.

I'm talking about the ad hominem attack logical fallacy. The ad hominem attack is a tactic where a person engages in a personal attack against the character of their opponent to avoid arguing the substance of their argument.

Since engaging in personal attacks to avoid the substantive argument is a show of bad character in itself, it's not an ad hominem attack logical fallacy to discredit the character of a person who engages in an ad hominem attack logical fallacy.

In propaganda the intention is to turn positives into negatives, and negatives into positives, but more common, is to use propaganda to make them both look neutral so that no one can tell the difference.
 
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Yes and freedom to manipulate. So why are you bringing up slander or are you speaking for both parties?
I'm speaking for all parties who slander others, me included. Slander violates love others as yourself.
Then we Christians should be fighting for truth in media.
We should be fighting a spiritual battle in our minds and hearts against slander.
 
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Ok, I'm out because arguing is of the devil also.
Is that a true statement? Is arguing of the devil? Devil= accuser/slanderer. So, here's the answer---> If someone is arguing to defend a lie that slanders others, it's the devil. But if someone is arguing that to slander others is wrong, it's not the devil.

The spiritual war is an argument about conviction. It is grace through faith vs cynicism through unbelief. It is the power of Light vs the powers of darkness, to see which power will reside in the soul. Those led by the Spirit of Christ to defend the faith, fight the good fight.
 
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Is that a true statement? Is arguing of the devil?
2 Timothy 2:23-24 ESV
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

There are many scriptures to this effect so I consider it of the devil so I backed out. Peace Out!
 
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Maybe I should start a thread on this topic: Why do we assume that because someone doesn't support our preferred candidate that necessitates that they support their opponent? Believe it or not, they are people that don't pledge allegiance to any political tribe.
Better yet, start a thread with your criticisms of Trump and Republicans. Curious to see what criticisms a "non-Trump supporter" has. You seem to have plenty with regard to Democrats. Give Republicans some equal time (which maybe challenging since pretty much all of your posts are critical of Democrats. I doubt you could manage "equal time", but give it a go).
 
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2 Timothy 2:23-24 ESV
Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord's servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,

There are many scriptures to this effect so I consider it of the devil so I backed out. Peace Out!
I get it. Many here have been posting that this Harris border czar controversy is based on ignorance from the get-go. Be at peace.
 
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Better yet, start a thread with your criticisms of Trump and Republicans. Curious to see what criticisms a "non-Trump supporter" has. You seem to have plenty with regard to Democrats. Give Republicans some equal time (which maybe challenging since pretty much all of your posts are critical of Democrats. I doubt you could manage "equal time", but give it a go).

There are so many here that already do such an amazing job of criticizing Trump and Republicans that it seems unnecessary for me to pile on. Suffice to say, I agree with many of the criticisms of Trump and the people who follow him blindly.
 
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