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Montalban said:I take it then you still don't have any evidence.
The evidence is in your mouseclick finger. I'm sorry that I cannot duplicate for you the meanings of the some 77,000 words in the Quran contained in some 6,600 verses in the space of a single post.
Montalban said:The contention is that there's meaningless words in the Koran.
I evidenced this from an Islamic site.
Against this is the opinion that they do in fact have meaning. It's suggested that a web-site supports this contention. Only that too is a contention too - so far.
What you are referring to are not words but Arabic letters. The grammatical term is Quranic Initials (INL).
You said that they had meaning. You offered a 'site' that you claimed showed this.
Now you want to change your position again?
You said that they had meaning. You offered a 'site' that you claimed showed this.
Now you want to change your position again?
Some may.I've also evidenced that Moslems say that they 'can' know what these words mean
Your right it is a poor analogy, change the word "Atheist" to "Christian" and my point will stand.That's a poor analogy.
You're saying Moslems not understanding their own faith is like people of no faith not understanding a faith issue.
Much Appreciated.You're allowed to start threads
You can ask here or General Theology
Anyway, I put in the link for those who might be interested.
However to save time and confusion, could you answer it here, since it is pertinent to this conversation.
Do you think there are mysterious verses or aspects within the Bible?
They do have meaning.
But damned if we know what that meaning is.
It's a lovely mystery of the faith.
steve_bakr said:Jeez, it's only a mouseclick, and I am referring to actual words, not the Arabic letters. My objection is that you are depicting them as words.. As far as their meanings are concerned, Yusuf Ali writes about them in his commentary. He gives them a mystical significance, but he does say it is not necessarily profitable for the average person to get caught up in what they mean.
I am surprised you won't even bother to check out the site I gave you from the Leeds University School of Computing, if you have an interest in the Quran, as you seem to. It has a full grammatical breakdown of every word in the Quran, along with color-coded Arabic script, transliteration, and English meaning. It also contains an Audio section with dozens of major reciters. For those who are interested it is http://corpus.quran.com/
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Montalban
If someone does not know the meaning of NATO, this does not render the acronym NATO meaning less.
Similarly we dont know the meaning of Koranic acronyms. It is known to God only. So dont conclude that they are meaningless!
This argument is sufficient if you wish to understand.
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Absolutely. I don't have to know a meaning of the word to know that it has meaning.-
If someone does not know the meaning of NATO, this does not render the acronym NATO meaning less.
Absolutely. I don't have to know a meaning of the word to know that it has meaning.
However, I've asked what are the meanings of these Islamic words and no one can tell me.
okey dokey, authour of confusion
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