May 7th: Ten Commandment Day

[MidnightCry]

You are still missing the point.

Listen to the words of Christ:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Jn. 13:34-35

You see, the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ. Thus the true believer will not merely talk about the law; he will also keep it, because it is Christ's righteousness. Hence, Christ in us is the sign.

You can observe the law, while forgetting to lift up the Lord of it.

And this, for the most part, is what is happening in our church.

We spend a lot of time talking about the law, but very little time lifting up Christ, except to crucify Him afresh.

Why is that?

I do not think you can separate the two. By keeping the law--by not having an idol of some sort in our life, by keeping the Sabbath, honoring your parents, not murdering, by not commiting adultry, not stealing, not lying, not coveting--by living a holy life with the help of the Holy Spirit, we do lift up Chirst.

We are to be doers of the word, not just hearers. What better way to lift up the Lord in our actions, by keeping the law, Christ can be seen in us by those around us. By observing the law, as an act of love and obedience, we exalt Christ in the most powerfulway.

 

[woobadooba]

I do not think you can separate the two.

The Pharisees didn't seem to have a problem separating the two.

Are we saved by God's grace, by our obedience to the law, or both?

 

[YeshuamySalvation]

I do not think you can separate the two. By keeping the law--by not having an idol of some sort in our life, by keeping the Sabbath, honoring your parents, not murdering, by not commiting adultry, not stealing, not lying, not coveting--by living a holy life with the help of the Holy Spirit, we do lift up Chirst.

Phil 3: 8 -18
8But surely I count also all things to be loss on account of the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, on account of whom I have suffered the loss of all, and count them to be filth, that I may gain Christ;

9and that I may be found in him, not having my righteousness, which [would be] on the principle of law, but that which is by faith of Christ, the righteousness which [is] of God through faith,​

10to know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being conformed to his death,


11if any way I arrive at the resurrection from among [the] dead.

12Not that I have already obtained [the prize], or am already perfected; but I pursue, if also I may get possession [of it], seeing that also I have been taken possession of by Christ [Jesus].


13Brethren, *I* do not count to have got possession myself; but one thing -- forgetting the things behind, and stretching out to the things before,


14I pursue, [looking] towards [the] goal, for the prize of the calling on high of God in Christ Jesus.


15As many therefore as [are] perfect, let us be thus minded; and if ye are any otherwise minded, this also God shall reveal to you.


16But whereto we have attained, [let us] walk in the same steps.


17Be imitators [all] together of me, brethren, and fix your eyes on those walking thus as you have us for a model;

18(for many walk of whom I have told you often, and now tell you even weeping, that they [are] the enemies of the cross of Christ:



Yeshua My Salvation > You said you don't believe the two can be seperated, i say scripture says they certainly can, what do you tell me about the legalistic pharisees? They kept the law and believed they had righteousness of there own... Furthermore, the law cannot be upheld as a standard of obtaining righteousness, scripture does not teach that... The righteousness that we should be professing is that which is by faith of Yeshua as Pauls explains: Trying to obtain righteousness by a strict adherence of the law in the letter is not biblical.

 

[MidnightCry]

The Pharisees didn't seem to have a problem separating the two.

Are we saved by God's grace, by our obedience to the law, or both?

We are saved by Christ alone. By faith alone, by grace alone. Keeping the law will not save anyone. It is a matter of the heart.

We come to the foot of the cross, repent of our sin accept Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Once our heart is converted by the Holy Spirit our carnal self is put to death. We are now a new creature, one that cares for spiritual things. We now keep the law out of love for Jesus. We want to please Him.

The Pharisees didn't have an inward conversion. They were dead on the inside. They outwardly kept the law to appear righteous before people. They had no idea what grace was.

 

[woobadooba]

We are saved by Christ alone. By faith alone, by grace alone. Keeping the law will not save anyone. It is a matter of the heart.

We come to the foot of the cross, repent of our sin accept Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Once our heart is converted by the Holy Spirit our carnal self is put to death. We are now a new creature, one that cares for spiritual things. We now keep the law out of love for Jesus. We want to please Him.

The Pharisees didn't have an inward conversion. They were dead on the inside. They outwardly kept the law to appear righteous before people. They had no idea what grace was.

Unfortunately, we have a whole lot of these in our church.

 

[Jesus Is Real]

We are saved by Christ alone. By faith alone, by grace alone. Keeping the law will not save anyone. It is a matter of the heart.

We come to the foot of the cross, repent of our sin accept Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Once our heart is converted by the Holy Spirit our carnal self is put to death. We are now a new creature, one that cares for spiritual things. We now keep the law out of love for Jesus. We want to please Him.

The Pharisees didn't have an inward conversion. They were dead on the inside. They outwardly kept the law to appear righteous before people. They had no idea what grace was.

midnightcry,
Very Decent Post~~~


Milton Green said it this way,....[Italics and bold mine]
We have been so programmed in works....as a Whole Body of Christ in the many 1,000's of years. Yes we have. We've all been asleep.....the whole Bunch of us. Myself included. And we have stranged and in all the thing that we do in trying to make things work for God,...when you and I are just suppose to cease from our labors and walk in obedience and you know that's what the Lord is calling to? He said (in a sence) "I'll make the things work if you'll just get that satanic nature out of the way right there - all of that works of the flesh - and leave all that works of the law and quite trying to come to me through THE WORKS. Then I'm going to perfect the Nature in YOU. See,.....faithful is He and He's gonna bring it to pass! See we're the one's making it complicated while we're getting ourselves killed. We make it so complicated. We act, some much at times, acting just like the world. So we can sit in a congragation and be full of the devil and just look at each others and call us people of God. ~end of Milton Green

(,...Without examining our fruit,....but if we fall we get back up for The Lord sits on a Throne of Grace every time we get back up!)

I for one want to come out of all this........but it's a walk. A patient one at that.
I'm still working through things....just like we all are. We've all be asleep,....but for me it's
not like how it was in my heart....but God had to do it in my obedience and Truth to let Him do that surgery on my heart. Thanks GOD He's not finished! *chuckle

midnightcry, Nice post.......thanks so much!

Peace,
connie

 

[jabechler]

Very good points to both of you and with scriptures to back it up but let us remember that the spirit guiged us to all truth and empowers us to follow and keep the law of God. If one is keeping the commandments of the world which includes sunday worship then what spirit leads them to keep this. The sign the world will see in the true follower of Christ is the Love of God( the first 4 commandments and love for his brother ( the last 6 commandments. The 2 greatest commandments Jesus spoke of were actuall given ion the old testament and on these hang all the law and the prophets. The Sabbath will be the dividing law that people will argue over because it is the sign of the True creator God. Those who keep the true Sabbath will be the followers of God and those who refuse to follow will be following Satan. A National sunday law will bring about this division and will be a test of God people.

 

[Ambassador]

A Few things:

1) For those who quoted John and Jesus words and forgetting that Christ also said if you love me you will keep my commandments. Those he said also stated he will seperate between the wheat and the tares sheeps and goats. those who are considered sheeps and goats where those who practiced lawlessness.

2) The Pharisee although try to have salvation by the law added to the Law of God 666 or so of them and altered other laws of God . They emphasis the laws that supported their greed for example corbin but belittled the ones dealing with justice. You see they would excuse money that would be used to honor your mother and father (5th commandment) for vows that where dedicated to the alter and Christ strongly rebuked them for that. They also where rebuked for not loving their fellow man and they would rather remove a sheep from a pit then to have Jesus heal on the sabbath. The point is this you cannot keep the commandments of God without the Spirit even if you try to fake it you will alter one or another to excuse where your heart lies whether if be greed, lust for sex or power, or what ever form of sin that in your heart.

3) Lets not forget that the spirits is to convict of sin and righteousness. This is within the heart and any thoughts of sin the spirit convicts. So if this is true and we beleive as a thinketh so he is then if you have the holy Spirit then you will keep the commandments of God to a greater degree because there are alot of saints of outwards appearance and Devils of heart.

Paul speaks about two laws. The Laws of sin and death and the Law of spirit and life. If you are trying to keep the law with your flesh then you will be under the law of sin and death because the flesh is evil according to Romans chapter 7, and 8 but under the law of Life and Spirit Paul tells us to mortify(put to death) the deeds(sinful actions) of the body(human nature) through the (Holy) Spirit. So according to Paul we aught to keep the through by the help of the holy Spirit.

So the question is should we keep the Sabbath? Offcourse we should but keeping it involves just taking a day off but understanding its significance. If you break the Sabbath down it points to the one true God and king. its states His identity and His dominion within the fourth commandment. If you know that all things where created through Jesus then the Fourth commandments points to him and it exalts Jesus. So stop trying to seperate Christ and law when Christ according to every jewish boy ever since the age of twelve was considered son of the commandments and we He being our highest example.

 

[Haggai]

I'm still not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, nor do I believe that there will be a universal Sunday law.

However, I do find it to be ironic that they will celebrate the ten commandments, while neglecting to honor the 4th one.

If you beleive in Ellen White, she did write that their would be sunday laws enacted, repeating history.
"As we work with all our might, our trust must be in God. Sooner or later Sunday laws will be passed. But there is much for God's servants to do to warn the people. This work has been greatly retarded by their having to wait and stand against the devisings of Satan, which have been striving to find a place in our work. We are years behind. {RH, February 16, 1905 par. 4}
If you don't beleive now, be ready for when it comes, then you will beleive.

 

[Haggai]

We are saved by Christ alone. By faith alone, by grace alone. Keeping the law will not save anyone. It is a matter of the heart.

We come to the foot of the cross, repent of our sin accept Christ as our Lord and Saviour. Once our heart is converted by the Holy Spirit our carnal self is put to death. We are now a new creature, one that cares for spiritual things. We now keep the law out of love for Jesus. We want to please Him.

The Pharisees didn't have an inward conversion. They were dead on the inside. They outwardly kept the law to appear righteous before people. They had no idea what grace was.

You are not saved by the law, but by not keeping the law even if you know it is God's law and that God commands you to keep it, then you will not be saved for you are disobeying the commands of God.

 

[Haggai]

I don't see them making a bill to enforce keeping the Ten Commandments, it would violate the Bill of Rights and would be unconstitutional. Do you have any info on such a bill? I would love to read it.

Chris

Lawmakers do not making laws according to the constitution anymore, if so, the Patriot Acts I and II would not have been enacted. They are wholly unconstitutional, but were accepted under the guise that they will provide better security.

 

[fallupchik]

10 commandments weekend is happening now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!