May 7th: Ten Commandment Day

[OntheDL]

Hi folks,

The evangelical world and some jewish rabbi's have jointed the Roman Catholics to form the 'Ten Commandment Commission'. http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/index.html?http%3A//www.tencommandmentsday.com/news.html

On Sunday, May 7th, they will organize a nation-wide celebration of Ten Commandments. This paves ways for the 'Lord's Day', Sunday to be observed as a 'part' of the 10 commandments. The main event will take place in Washington DC.

The national sunday law will not be established on May 7th. The devil has learned his lesson. He'll condition people mindset to first accept the laws of God through upcoming events: terrorist attacks, plagues, natural disasters, economic collapse. Then the sunday law will be enforced through enforcing the 10 commandments.

The presidential executive orders have been set up to suspend the constitution and to declare martial law if two catastrophic events take place within a period of six months.

We who keep the true sabbath of the Lord can use this day to reach out to people in other christian denominations.

Pacific press has made a booklet about our understanding of the 10 commandments. http://www.pacificpress.com/pp/news/content/newsReltpl.php?relID=109-10CommandDay.htm

You can get them at your local ABC store. It'd also be a great opportunity to pass out the 'National Sunday Law' books.

SDA scholar Dr. Hugo Gambetta has set up a camp in DC to pass out literatures on May 7th. Please contact me if you live close by and are willing to go to help.

 

[woobadooba]

Hi folks,

The evangelical world and some jewish rabbi's have jointed the Roman Catholics to form the 'Ten Commandment Commission'. http://www.tencommandmentsday.com/index.html?http%3A//www.tencommandmentsday.com/news.html

On Sunday, May 7th, they will organize a nation-wide celebration of Ten Commandments. This paves ways for the 'Lord's Day', Sunday to be observed as a 'part' of the 10 commandments. The main event will take place in Washington DC.

The national sunday law will not be established on May 7th. The devil has learned his lesson. He'll condition people mindset to first accept the laws of God through upcoming events: terrorist attacks, plagues, natural disasters, economic collapse. Then the sunday law will be enforced through enforcing the 10 commandments.

The presidential executive orders have been set up to suspend the constitution and to declare martial law if two catastrophic events take place within a period of six months.

We who keep the true sabbath of the Lord can use this day to reach out to people in other christian denominations.

Pacific press has made a booklet about our understanding of the 10 commandments. http://www.pacificpress.com/pp/news/content/newsReltpl.php?relID=109-10CommandDay.htm

You can get them at your local ABC store. It'd also be a great opportunity to pass out the 'National Sunday Law' books.

SDA scholar Dr. Hugo Gambetta has set up a camp in DC to pass out literatures on May 7th. Please contact me if you live close by and are willing to go to help.

I'm still not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, nor do I believe that there will be a universal Sunday law.

However, I do find it to be ironic that they will celebrate the ten commandments, while neglecting to honor the 4th one.

 

[OntheDL]

I'm still not convinced that Sunday worship is the mark of the beast, nor do I believe that there will be a universal Sunday law.

However, I do find it to be ironic that they will celebrate the ten commandments, while neglecting to honor the 4th one.

There had been an attempt to establish the national sunday law. That was the failed 1888 Blair bill.

Their plan now is to make constitutional amendment by 2008 to enforce the 10 commandments. Keep in mind the national ID card is also planned to be rolled out in 2008. Coincidence?

 

[MidnightCry]

There had been an attempt to establish the national sunday law. That was the failed 1888 Blair bill.

Their plan now is to make constitutional amendment by 2008 to enforce the 10 commandments. Keep in mind the national ID card is also planned to be rolled out in 2008. Coincidence?

OntheDL,

Where can I read about this constitutional amendment to enoforce the ten commandments by 2008? I have not heard of that.

I have heard about the Ten Commandment Commission and the Ten Commandments Sunday. I think this is the first of a planned annual event. It is good to bring attention to the Ten Commandments, but they are not keeping the 4th, as was pointed out.

I think this is definitely something to be concerned about in the days ahead.

midnightcry

 

[OntheDL]

OntheDL,

Where can I read about this constitutional amendment to enoforce the ten commandments by 2008? I have not heard of that.

I have heard about the Ten Commandment Commission and the Ten Commandments Sunday. I think this is the first of a planned annual event. It is good to bring attention to the Ten Commandments, but they are not keeping the 4th, as was pointed out.

I think this is definitely something to be concerned about in the days ahead.

midnightcry

I don't have the actual quotes on the constitutional amendments for 2008. I got it from a few sources. I will try to look it up.

 

[oldsage]

There had been an attempt to establish the national sunday law. That was the failed 1888 Blair bill.

Their plan now is to make constitutional amendment by 2008 to enforce the 10 commandments. Keep in mind the national ID card is also planned to be rolled out in 2008. Coincidence?

I don't see them making a bill to enforce keeping the Ten Commandments, it would violate the Bill of Rights and would be unconstitutional. Do you have any info on such a bill? I would love to read it.

Chris

 

[OntheDL]

I don't see them making a bill to enforce keeping the Ten Commandments, it would violate the Bill of Rights and would be unconstitutional. Do you have any info on such a bill? I would love to read it.

Chris

I would dig it up.

Actually sunday observance is already enforced in some areas. For example, in the county where I live in northen new jersey, the buying and selling of non-essential goods on sunday is prohibitted by law.

Some terrible and large scaled events must happen leading up to that point for the commandments to be enforced by law. Or if the martial law is declared in such case, then the constitution would be suspended and the congress would also be disbanded.

 

[woobadooba]

I would dig it up.

Actually sunday observance is already enforced in some areas. For example, in the county where I live in northen new jersey, the buying and selling of non-essential goods on sunday is prohibitted by law.

Some terrible and large scaled events must happen leading up to that point for the commandments to be enforced by law. Or if the martial law is declared in such case, then the constitution would be suspended and the congress would also be disbanded.

I'm sorry but I just find this to be unbelievable.

Satan is not going to encourage commandment keeping.

 

[MidnightCry]

I believe we will have some type of global government prior to the return of Christ. This will be a religious-political power that will promise peace at last to the whole world.

Along with this power will be a one-world religion. Everyone will be forced to take one day a week for rest, reflection, family time, some type of worship. I am sure this day will be stressed as good for the family, a return to morals, a day to strengthen society. Who is going to argue with that? Doesn't everyone agree the morals in our country and around the world are at an all time low?

The only problem is Sunday will be chosen as the day of rest. Which plays right into Satan's plan. He hates the Sabbath. He does't want us to spend one day a week with our creator. He doesn't want us to obey God, to be with Him each week and worship Him alone and shut out the secular world. Remember, if you break one law--you have broken them all. All Satan needs to do is cause everyone in the world to break one law, and we have transgressed them all. Satan hates God's law. He always has. That's why he rebelled in heaven in the first place.

He wanted to be worshipped by all and have everyone follow his plan, his rules. He said God's rules are not fair. So he started a war in heaven; thankfully, he was kicked out.

If the Ten Commandments are again embraced by society for the good of all, that's great-- I have no problem with that at all. I just don't want any government telling me which day to rest, worship, or enjoy with my family. We follow God all the way, we are Sabbath keepers and want to remain so.

 

[OntheDL]

I'm sorry but I just find this to be unbelievable.

Satan is not going to encourage commandment keeping.

In the end, there should be deceptions. If it were possible, even the elect shall be deceived.

Satan has fine tuned his deceptions. It must look so close to the real one that they will be able to deceive.

It on surface looks like a revival. But it is a counterfeit because the 1st day of the week is being called to keep holy.

About the mark of the beast...it's not about the day. It's about authority.

We know mark of the beast is on the forehead or on the hand.

God also puts a mark/sign (hebrew: oth) on His people on their forehead and on their hand.

What is the sign/mark of God? The commandments.

Deut 11
8 Therefore shall ye keep all the commandments which I command you this day, that ye may be strong, and go in and possess the land, whither ye go to possess it;

...
13 And it shall come to pass, if ye shall hearken diligently unto my commandments which I command you this day, to love the LORD your God, and to serve him with all your heart and with all your soul,
...
18 Therefore shall ye lay up these my words in your heart and in your soul, and bind them for a sign upon your hand, that they may be as frontlets between your eyes.

And the sabbath commandment is the sign/mark that signifies the Lord's authority.
Exodus 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Ezekiel 20
12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.
...

20 And hallow my sabbaths; and they shall be a sign between me and you, that ye may know that I am the LORD your God.

Mark of the beast from her own source:

"The Church, on the other hand, after changing the day of rest from the Jewish Sabbath, or seventh day of the week, to the first, made the Third Commandment refer to Sunday as the day to be kept holy as the Lord's Day. The Council of Trent (Sess. VI, can. xix) condemns those who deny that the Ten Commandments are binding on Christians." ---The Catholic Encyclopedia, Commandments of God, Volume IV, © 1908

"Q. How prove you that the Church hath power to command feasts and holydays?
A. By the very act of changing the sabbath into Sunday, which Protestants allow of; and therefore they fondly contradict themselves, by keeping Sunday strictly, and breaking most other feasts commanded by the same Church.
Q. How prove you that?
A. Because by keeping Sunday, they acknowledge the Church's power to ordain feasts, and to command them under sin; and by not keeping the rest by her commanded, they again deny, in fact, the same power." --- The Douay Catechism (An Abridgment of the Christian Doctrine) of 1649

"Q. What warrant have you for keeping the Sunday, preferably to the ancient Sabbath, which was the Saturday?
A. We have for it the authority of the Catholic Church, and apostolical tradition.
Q. But has the Church a power to make any alterations in the commandments of God?
A. The commandments of God, as far as they contain his eternal law, are unalterable and indispensable; but as to whatever was only ceremonial, they cease to oblige, since the Mosaic law was abrogated by Christ's death. Hence, as far as the commandment obliges us to set aside some part of our time for the worship and service of our Creator, it is an unalterable and unchangeable precept of the eternal law, in which the Church cannot dispense: but for as much as it prescribes the seventh day in particular for this purpose, it is no more than a ceremonial precept of the old law, which obligeth not Christians. And therefore, instead of the seventh day, and other festivals appointed in the old law, the Church has prescribed the Sundays and holydays to be set apart for God's worship; and these we are now obliged to keep in consequence of God's commandment, instead of the ancient Sabbath.---Catholic Christian Instructed in the Sacraments, Sacrifice, Ceremonies, and Observances of the Church, by the Right Rev. Dr. Richard Challoner

"Q. Have you any other way of proving that the Church has power to institute festivals of precept?
A. Had she not such power, she could not have done that in which all modern religionists agree with her;—she could not have substituted the observance of Sunday the first day of the week, for the observance of Saturday the seventh day, a change for which there is no Scriptural authority.
Q. In what manner can we show a Protestant, that he speaks unreasonably against fasts and abstinences?
A. Ask him why he keeps Sunday, and not Saturday, as his day of rest, since he is unwilling either to fast or to abstain. If he reply, that the Scripture orders him to keep the Sunday, but says nothing as to fasting and abstinence, tell him the Scripture speaks of Saturday or the Sabbath, but gives no command anywhere regarding Sunday or the first day of the week. If, then, he neglects Saturday as a day of rest and holiness, and substitutes Sunday in its place, and this merely because such was the usage of the ancient Church, should he not, if he wishes to act consistently, observe fasting and abstinence, because the ancient Church so ordained?" ---A Doctrinal Catechism by Stephen Keenan, Imprimatur by John Cardinal McCloskey, Archbishop of New York

"Distinctive of the Roman Catholic Church, Sunday Mass observance became a mark of a practicing Catholic."
--- Dictionary of the Liturgy, Rev. Jovian P. Lang, OFM., Catholic Book Publishing Co., 1989,

"The attendance at [Sunday] Mass is the mark of a practical Catholic. One who fails to attend is not worthy of the name. While all mortal sins involve great malice, there is attached to this sin a peculiar and unique malice." ---The Faith of Millions, by the Reverend John A. O'Brien, PH.D., Copyright 1938,

"Of course the Catholic Church claims that the change was her act. It could not have been otherwise as none in those days would have dreamed of doing anything in matters spiritual and ecclesiastical and religious without her. And the act is a mark of her ecclesiastical authority in religious things". ---Letter to Cardinal Gibbons, November 11, 1895, from C.F. Thomas.

"The Church is above the Bible; and this transference of Sabbath observance to Sunday is proof positive of that fact. Deny the authority of the Church and you have no adequate or reasonable explanation or justification for the substitution of Sunday for Saturday in the Third - Protestant Fourth - Commandment of God." --- The Catholic Record, London, Ontario Canada, September 1, 1923

"The Pope has power to change times, to abrogate (change) laws, and to dispense with all things, even the precepts of Christ." --- Decretal, de Tranlatic Episcop.

"... Princes and magistrates are to be admonished and exhorted to lend the sanction and support of their authority to the pastors of the Church, particularly in upholding and extending the worship of God [on Sunday], and in commanding obedience to the spiritual injunctions of the pastor.
With regard to the exposition of this Commandment, the faithful are to be carefully taught in what it accords with, and in what it differs from the others, in order that they may understand why Christians observe not the Sabbath but the Lord's day."---The Catechism of the Council of Trent, Issued by order of Pope Pius V

"#66 ... In this matter, my predecessor Pope Leo XIII in his Encyclical Rerum Novarum spoke of Sunday rest as a worker's right which the State must guarantee.
#67 ... Therefore, also in the particular circumstances of our own time, Christians will naturally strive to ensure that civil legislation respects their duty to keep Sunday holy. ---Apostolic Letter Dies Domini, Pope John Paul II, 31 May, 1998

I think the evidence is substantial and quite obvious to me.

 

[woobadooba]

What is the sign/mark of God? The commandments.

What ever happened to the Holy Spirit?

I think the evidence is substantial and quite obvious to me.

Or maybe this is was Satan wants you to believe, that his plot is so obvious when it really isn't as obvious as you think it is.

 

[MidnightCry]

Even if we cannot agree on Sunday laws, I think it is important to keep the idea filed in the back of your head. This Ten Commandment Commission may turn out to be a flash in the pan. It may not receive the attention or media support it needs to be successful.
The whole idea could backfire.

But then again, it could go the other way and gain alot of momentum. I think it is something we ought to keep in mind and watch and see what develops.

 

[OntheDL]

What ever happened to the Holy Spirit?

The holy spirit is empowering/enabling agent. The scripture says the law of God is the sign/mark of God.

 

[woobadooba]

The holy spirit is empowering/enabling agent. The scripture says the law of God is the sign/mark of God.

No, the scriptures inform us that the Holy Spirit is the seal.

"The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.

The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." Jn. 3:33-36

What good is it to you to know and preach the law if you aren't keeping it?

You see, the law condemns us; but the Spirit gives us life.

Hence, the Spirit is the seal of God.

But do we then make void the law by the Spirit? No.

Nevertheless, without the Spirit we couldn't be anything else but lawless, even while knowing and preaching the law.

And the Spirit testifies of Christ. Therefore, Christ in us is the sign of the true believer.

You see, in your post I see what I believe to be one of the main problems in our church. The law is lifted up, while Christ is left on the cross.

 

[OntheDL]

No, the scriptures inform us that the Holy Spirit is the seal.

"The one who comes from above is above all; the one who is from the earth belongs to the earth, and speaks as one from the earth. The one who comes from heaven is above all. He testifies to what he has seen and heard, but no one accepts his testimony.

The man who has accepted it has certified that God is truthful. For the one whom God has sent speaks the words of God, for God gives the Spirit without limit. The Father loves the Son and has placed everything in his hands. Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God's wrath remains on him." Jn. 3:33-36

What good is it to you to know and preach the law if you aren't keeping it?

You see, the law condemns us; but the Spirit gives us life.

Hence, the Spirit is the seal of God.

I'm not arguing the spirit is not the seal of God. But law is the mark/sign of God. I've quoted the scripture in above post.

 

[woobadooba]

I'm not arguing the spirit is not the seal of God. But law is the mark/sign of God. I've quoted the scripture in above post.

What scripture? The scripture that talks about the sabbaths? The scripture that you've taken out of context?

And by the way, you are missing my point. Read what I've said more closely.

 

[OntheDL]

What scripture? The scripture that talks about the sabbaths? The scripture that you've taken out of context?

And by the way, you are missing my point. Read what I've said more closely.

I understand what you said. I don't disagree. However the scripture says expressedly the sabbath is the sign (in 4 different places) and it says the law is the mark.

This does not contradict that. The spirit seals and enables us to keep the law. However the spirit is NOT the outward expression of the 'born-again' christians. Keeping the law is the outward expression. It's the proof that we are truly 'born-again'. Therefore the law is the mark of God as the scripture says. The law is the God's seal of authority and His seal of approval.

"The Sabbath will be the great test of loyalty; for it is the point of truth especially controverted. When the final test shall be brought to bear upon men, then the line of distinction will be drawn between those who serve God and those who serve him not. While the observance of the false sabbath in compliance with the law of the State, contrary to the fourth commandment, will be an avowal of allegiance to a power that is in opposition to God, the keeping of the true Sabbath, in obedience to God's law, is an evidence of loyalty to the Creator. While one class, by accepting the sign of submission to earthly powers, receive the mark of the beast, the other, choosing the token of allegiance to divine authority, receive the seal of God." ---{GC88 605.2}

"The Lord commands by the same prophet, "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." [ISA. 8:16.] The seal of God's law is found in the fourth commandment. This only, of all ten, brings to view both the name and the title of the Lawgiver. It declares him to be the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and thus shows his claim to reverence and worship above all others. Aside from this precept, there is nothing in the decalogue to show by whose authority the law is given. When the Sabbath was changed by the papal power, the seal was taken from the law. The disciples of Jesus are called upon to restore it, by exalting the Sabbath of the fourth commandment to its rightful position as the Creator's memorial and the sign of his authority.---{GC88 451.3}

 

[woobadooba]

I understand what you said. I don't disagree. However
the scripture says expressedly the sabbath is the sign (in 4 different places) and it says the law is the mark.

This does not contradict that. The spirit seals and enables us to keep the law. However the spirit is NOT the outward expression of the 'born-again' christians. Keeping the law is the outward expression. It's the proof that we are truly 'born-again'. Therefore the law is the mark of God as the scripture says. The law is the God's seal of authority and His seal of approval.

"The Sabbath will be the great test of loyalty; for it is the point of truth especially controverted. When the final test shall be brought to bear upon men, then the line of distinction will be drawn between those who serve God and those who serve him not. While the observance of the false sabbath in compliance with the law of the State, contrary to the fourth commandment, will be an avowal of allegiance to a power that is in opposition to God, the keeping of the true Sabbath, in obedience to God's law, is an evidence of loyalty to the Creator. While one class, by accepting the sign of submission to earthly powers, receive the mark of the beast, the other, choosing the token of allegiance to divine authority, receive the seal of God." ---GC88 605.2

"The Lord commands by the same prophet, "Bind up the testimony, seal the law among my disciples." [ISA. 8:16.] The seal of God's law is found in the fourth commandment. This only, of all ten, brings to view both the name and the title of the Lawgiver. It declares him to be the Creator of the heavens and the earth, and thus shows his claim to reverence and worship above all others. Aside from this precept, there is nothing in the decalogue to show by whose authority the law is given. When the Sabbath was changed by the papal power, the seal was taken from the law. The disciples of Jesus are called upon to restore it, by exalting the Sabbath of the fourth commandment to its rightful position as the Creator's memorial and the sign of his authority.--{GC88 451.3}

You are still missing the point.

Listen to the words of Christ:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Jn. 13:34-35

You see, the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ. Thus the true believer will not merely talk about the law; he will also keep it, because it is Christ's righteousness. Hence, Christ in us is the sign.

You can observe the law, while forgetting to lift up the Lord of it.

And this, for the most part, is what is happening in our church.

We spend a lot of time talking about the law, but very little time lifting up Christ, except to crucify Him afresh.

Why is that?

 

[OntheDL]

You are still missing the point.

Listen to the words of Christ:

"A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this all men will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another." Jn. 13:34-35

You see, the Holy Spirit is the seal of God. The Holy Spirit testifies of Christ. Thus the true believer will not merely talk about the law; he will also keep it, because it is Christ's righteousness. Hence, Christ in us is the sign.

You can observe the law, while forgetting to lift up the Lord of it.

And this, for the most part, is what is happening in our church.

We spend a lot of time talking about the law, but very little time lifting up Christ, except to crucify Him afresh.

Why is that?

Look, I've already presented the scripture and the SOP. We need to read them and reconcile our position accordingly.

 

[woobadooba]

Look, I've already presented the scripture and the SOP. We need to read them and reconcile our position accordingly.

Getting frustrated with me?

Those who have ears to hear will hear what the Spirit is saying.