Maximum human lifespan.

[AV1611VET]

Well, that's not the real definition, natural causes include, for example, a heart attack.

Insurance agencies call them "Acts of God."

 

[Sammy-San]

Well, that's not the real definition, natural causes include, for example, a heart attack.

Isn't that a part of old age?

 

[Nithavela]

Not neccessarily, you can have a heart attack at 40 if you live unhealthy enough. and it's not an "act of god" when you could have prevented it by healthy living.

 

[bhsmte]

Isn't that a part of old age?

People die from cardiac infarction (heart attacks) at young ages as well. It has more to do with genetics and lifestyle, than old age.

 

[bhsmte]

Not neccessarily, you can have a heart attack at 40 if you live unhealthy enough. and it's not an "act of god" when you could have prevented it by healthy living.

Correct.

What some people refer to an act of God, is getting killed by a lightening strike, or a natural disaster.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

It is almost unheard of, probably 1 in many millions, for people who are young to just die from natural causes.

No; in the UK in 2013, for ages from 28 days to 15 years, it was about 1% (1 in a hundred) - depending precisely what you mean by 'natural causes' (my figure includes infectious diseases).

 

[AV1611VET]

Not neccessarily, you can have a heart attack at 40 if you live unhealthy enough. and it's not an "act of god" when you could have prevented it by healthy living.

I don't think insurance companies concern themselves with whether or not it could have been prevented.

Their job is to pay the beneficiary.

 

[bhsmte]

I don't think insurance companies concern themselves with whether or not it could have been prevented.

Their job is to pay the beneficiary.

Well, in fact insurance companies do concern themselves with whether life threatening disease can be prevented in those they insure.

This is why for any sizable policy, they will collect blood, sometimes perform a physical and get a thorough medical history on a person.

Otherwise known as; assessing the risk.

 

[Nithavela]

I don't think insurance companies concern themselves with whether or not it could have been prevented.

Their job is to pay the beneficiary.

You must be insured by the worlds most awesome insurance company ever. Or non at all.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Out of the tiny percent of people who live to as long as 100, not that many of them live too much longer.

While living to 90 is technically above average, in the 21st century, it isn't uncommon and super-rare, especially in comparison to people living to 100.

http://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2011/aug/04/live-to-100-likely

http://www.businessinsider.com/social-security-life-table-charts-2014-3

For example, there is a conspiracy theory that Hitler didn't die when and how most people thought he did, and that he hoaxed his death and lived on in hiding many years later. Regardless if that is true or not, we can be certain beyond a reasonable doubt he isn't still alive today, because there have only been very few cases of people living that long, that suggesting it is beyond absurd, based on our knowledge of human lifespan. I'm just using that as an example-I'm not trying to get into discussion on conspiracy theories in the science forum.

The mathematical probability of even centenarians living to that age is very low. The oldest recorded case is 122, and even that is super rare among centenarians. It's interesting to note that out of the people who reach that very old age of 100,only a very tiny percentage live to become supercentarians, and only a few of them live many more years. But do you think there is a "cap" on the human lifespan-like an age that not even the oldest ceneterians can pass, or an age that there is only a 1 in millions chance?

My theory, based on what I've read about centenarians, is that without future intervention of science (and even then there may be limits), there is a maximum human lifespan that nobody can cross, and the vast majority of the human population, within certain limits, will have a lifespan that is much shorter than it. At the same time, I do believe there is a minimum lifespan. It is almost unheard of, probably 1 in many millions, for people who are young to just die from natural causes.

Gen 6 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

 

[bhsmte]

Gen 6 3 Then the LORD said, "My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh; nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years."

Better start taking those Flintstone vitamins.

 

[joshua 1 9]

I don't think insurance companies concern themselves with whether or not it could have been prevented.

Their job is to pay the beneficiary.

Not any more, they do not pay their claims.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Better start taking those Flintstone vitamins.

I make soup every day with up to 25 different beans, whole grains & veggies. Lots of vitamins, minerals and nutrients in there. There is no evidence that vitamins do any good at all and they could do more harm then good. Science is a lot more strict then the Bible when it comes to the food we are allowed to eat.

 

[Sammy-San]

I make soup every day with up to 25 different beans, whole grains & veggies. Lots of vitamins, minerals and nutrients in there. There is no evidence that vitamins do any good at all and they could do more harm then good. Science is a lot more strict then the Bible when it comes to the food we are allowed to eat.

How is science strict on what food we are allowed to eat?

 

[joshua 1 9]

How is science strict on what food we are allowed to eat?

I have a stent. That means I have to go to the dietitian to be on a special diet. It is very strict. They only want me to eat whole grains and whole plant foods. Mostly beans and veggies. No dairy, no meat, even things like peanuts are considered to be high in fat. I am allowed one serving which is 2 oz or about a shot glass size serving of nuts, usually for me cashews. Even I argue with her and ask for three oz and she will only allow 2. They do allow a little bit of low fat yogurt because people need the calcium. Or a little bit of salmon or tuna for the omega 3 IF it is wild and not farmed. We need the omega 3 to lower or balance out the omega 6 in our food. Just like we need fiber to slow down the way the body absorbs sugar so we do not spike our system. So we eat whole grains to get the fiber and the nutrients that is contained in the fiber.

When you contrast this with the Bible and the promised land was a land flowing with milk and honey. Now science says you can not have milk because it clogs your arteries and you can not eat honey because it spikes your insulin and can cause diabetes.

Of course when your young you ignore their advise because you do not care if you add years to your life. But as you get older then you start to follow the guidelines so that you can maintain your health and live longer. Also their diet is pretty good for the brain. A lot of the processed food dulls your thinking.

They do allow me to cook the food as much as I want. Sometimes I just make veggie soup and eat the broth and my wife eats a lot of the veggies themselves with all the fiber in them. I try to get her to cover the veggies when she cooks them so all the vitamins do not disappear with the steam.

 

[bhsmte]

I have a stent. That means I have to go to the dietitian to be on a special diet. It is very strict. They only want me to eat whole grains and whole plant foods. Mostly beans and veggies. No dairy, no meat, even things like peanuts are considered to be high in fat. I am allowed one serving which is 2 oz or about a shot glass size serving of nuts, usually for me cashews. Even I argue with her and ask for three oz and she will only allow 2. They do allow a little bit of low fat yogurt because people need the calcium. Or a little bit of salmon or tuna for the omega 3 IF it is wild and not farmed. We need the omega 3 to lower or balance out the omega 6 in our food. Just like we need fiber to slow down the way the body absorbs sugar so we do not spike our system. So we eat whole grains to get the fiber and the nutrients that is contained in the fiber.

When you contrast this with the Bible and the promised land was a land flowing with milk and honey. Now science says you can not have milk because it clogs your arteries and you can not eat honey because it spikes your insulin and can cause diabetes.

Of course when your young you ignore their advise because you do not care if you add years to your life. But as you get older then you start to follow the guidelines so that you can maintain your health and live longer. Also their diet is pretty good for the brain. A lot of the processed food dulls your thinking.

They do allow me to cook the food as much as I want. Sometimes I just make veggie soup and eat the broth and my wife eats a lot of the veggies themselves with all the fiber in them. I try to get her to cover the veggies when she cooks them so all the vitamins do not disappear with the steam.

Your personal medical condition is what dictates what medical people recommend for your diet.

For other people, with a different medical status, it would not have to be the same.

 

[joshua 1 9]

Your personal medical condition is what dictates what medical people recommend for your diet.

For other people, with a different medical status, it would not have to be the same.

The cardio diet has been shown to be effective for a lot of other medical conditions. Once you graduate you can still keep taking the classes over again for the rest of your life if you want. They do not custom make the diet for each individual, it is more tailored to fit each person. Depending on what their medical condition is. I think food can be more healthy now then it ever was. Just as some food is more unhealthy then it ever has been. Some people think that natural food produced by natural selection is better then more modern food produced by selective or artificial breeding. I'm not sure what evidence they use for that. I would like to use evolutionary science to verify what medical science is saying. But trying to reconcile the two maybe a lost cause.

 

[Loudmouth]

learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/chromosomes/telomeres/

Telomeres are one of our defenses against cancer.

"As a cell begins to become cancerous, it divides more often and its telomeres become very short. If its telomeres get too short, the cell may die.

It can escape this fate by becoming a cancer cell and activating an enzyme called telomerase, which prevents the telomeres from getting even shorter."
http://www.news-medical.net/health/Telomeres-and-Cancer.aspx

 

[Sammy-San]

No; in the UK in 2013, for ages from 28 days to 15 years, it was about 1% (1 in a hundred) - depending precisely what you mean by 'natural causes' (my figure includes infectious diseases).

So what is the maximum human lifespan? Not the technical one, but the practical one. The age that is the maximum lifespan for at least 90% of people. The lifespan for even "typical" people depends on health, but usually is now in 70s or 80s, so im not arguing there is a "one" age that typical people die from old age at, but do you think there is an age that is rare for a person to surpass?

 

[joshua 1 9]

So what is the maximum human lifespan? Not the technical one, but the practical one. The age that is the maximum lifespan for at least 90% of people. The lifespan for even "typical" people depends on health, but usually is now in 70s or 80s, so im not arguing there is a "one" age that typical people die from old age at, but do you think there is an age that is rare for a person to surpass?

The full life span is 120 years and it is very rare for people to live that long.
This will be more common during the 1,000 year reign of Christ.
There are ways to prolong our life, for example:
He who hates unjust gain will prolong his days.

http://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/How-To-Live-Long