Matthew 9:20

[AJTruth]

What was this hem she touched?

 

[Neogaia777]

What was this hem she touched?

His shawl, with the, what was it?, 613-14 braided ends that represented the laws of the Old Covenant.. (I think anyway?) (could be wrong?) (I'm sure someone will let me know if I am)...

God Bless!

 

[miamited]

Hi aj,

Well, I think it's been known for many, many centuries that a piece of material must have a hem in it to keep from unraveling. It is my understanding that in Jesus' day people wore a garment much like an old ladies nightgown as their undergarment and then a tunic over that. I don't think there was any underwear or bras. So, men and women would have on just a loose covering with a belt of some kind drawn across their midriff and then over the loose nightgown type garment they would have a tunic that was likely open down the front with a couple of arm holes.

Even then, people realized that any material, that was worn about from day to day needed a hem to keep from unraveling and so these two garments would have hems along the botton amd the neck and arm holes. This woman touched the hem either of his tunic or the undergarment. Although it will depend on what translation one reads on this matter. Some say she touched his tassels and others say the fringe of his robe.

In Numbers 15:38 God commands that Jews wear tassels on their clothing as reminders to them and so it's likely that Jesus would have had tassels on the 'corners' of his garment. I believe the tassels would have been on the outer garment because it was commanded to be placed on the 'corners' of the garment and the undergarment would not have had any corners. So, in actuality, she may well have touched one of these tassels rather than the hem of his garment.

It's ultimately going to boil down to what the original document says, but sadly, we don't have any of those. The word translated is kraspedon and it's definition is the hem or embroidered edge of a garment, esp. with large tassels.

Hope this helps.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[Neogaia777]

Hi aj,

Well, I think it's been known for many, many centuries that a piece of material must have a hem in it to keep from unraveling. It is my understanding that in Jesus' day people wore a garment much like an old ladies nightgown as their undergarment and then a tunic over that. I don't think there was any underwear or bras. So, men and women would have on just a loose covering with a belt of some kind drawn across their midriff and then over the loose nightgown type garment they would have a tunic that was likely open down the front with a couple of arm holes.

Even then, people realized that any material, that was worn about from day to day needed a hem to keep from unraveling and so these two garments would have hems along the botton amd the neck and arm holes. This woman touched the hem either of his tunic or the undergarment. Although it will depend on what translation one reads on this matter. Some say she touched his tassels and others say the fringe of his robe.

In Numbers 15:38 God commands that Jews wear tassels on their clothing as reminders to them and so it's likely that Jesus would have had tassels on the 'corners' of his garment. I believe the tassels would have been on the outer garment because it was commanded to be placed on the 'corners' of the garment and the undergarment would not have had any corners. So, in actuality, she may well have touched one of these tassels rather than the hem of his garment.

It's ultimately going to boil down to what the original document says, but sadly, we don't have any of those. The word translated is kraspedon and it's definition is the hem or embroidered edge of a garment, esp. with large tassels.

Hope this helps.
God bless you,
In Christ, ted

That's the word I was looking for "tassles"... But, as she said we just "don't know" for sure...

God Bless!

 

[AJTruth]

Jesus wore a Prayer Shawl (tallih) the HEM (tzitzit - pronounced zit-zit) is what the lady with the 12 year blood issue touched in Matt 9:20.

Hem, Blood Issue, Prayer Shawl, Tents Paul Made

The prayer shawl reveals the name of God (YHVH), the Word of God, the residence of God, His DOUBLE portion of power for miracles, and reveals the prophecy of Israel.

When religious meetings were held in the Old Testament they usually occurred under a large tent. The tent was not big enough to accommodate all of the Jewish people who gathered. Because of this, individuals made their own private tents by wearing their prayer shawls over their heads.

This is why prayer shawls are sometimes called "tallit" in Hebrew, which means "little tent." or tabernacle.

Acts 18:3 And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. (Prayer Shawls are the tents that the apostle Paul made).

On each of the four corners of the tallih are called tzitzit, four woolen spun fringes are drawn through holes in the garment.

The fringes now dangle from both sides of the hole, thus becoming eight fringes.

These fringes are then coiled and knotted in a prescribed manner, and their ends hang loosely. The english word "HEM" (that's the HEM of Jesus garment.

That the lady with the 12 year blood issue touched in Matt 9:20) is a translation of a Greek word (kraspedon) meaning a tassel or coil of twisted wool. These tassels are attached to the corners at the bottom of the prayer shawl.

There are five (double) knots on each of the tzitzit tassels. In the spaces between these knots, one of the fringes – which is longer than the others – is coiled around the rest.

Seven coils in the first space, eight in the second, eleven in the third, and thirteen in the fourth.

These 39 coils have the same numerical value as "Hashem Echad" God is One! Also, representing the 39 stripes He received, by which we were healed.

(Numbers 15:38-39)"Speak to the children of Israel and say to them: They shall make for themselves fringes on the corners of their garments.

And this shall be tzitzit for you, and when you see it, you will remember all the commandments of God, and perform them" (Footnote: Tzitzit pronounced zit-zit translates to wings see mal 4:2) zit-zit is a number equaling 600.

In Hebrew every letter has a number value. Each of the 4 tassle spell: YHVH = Yahweh = Jehovah = God Saves = Jesus Saves.

The tassle's have 5 strains, a double knot then 8 strain's to equal 13 plus the 600 = 613.

Also, The number 13 represents the number of principles of Jewish faith.

And the 13 Attributes of Mercy that God taught Moses. There are 613 Mizvot commands/laws.

There are both (positive obligations) and (negative prohibitions) which are divided into 365 Negative Mitzvot (to remind them not to do bad things every day of the year) plus 248 Positive Mitzvot (the number of bones and main organs in the human body) for a total of 613 commandments.

In this way, the people could obey the 613 commmand ments with their entire body.

This is the ful-fillment of the law in (matt 5:17) Jesus kept (was obedient) to All 613! WOW! (Remember James 2:10: if you break 1 you've broken them all!) (Rom 5:19 So, by the obedience of one). WOW! What a mighty God we serve. Thank You Jesus!

Finally, Upon Jesus Return see Rev 19:13 (His vesture, outer garment or PRAYER SHAWL) and again we see in Rev 19:16 (His vesture or prayer shaw). Maranatha

 

[miamited]

HI AJ,

I'm curious on what you base this idea that Jesus wore a prayer shawl. I don't think it was common to wear a prayer shawl when one was out and about. It's always been my understanding that prayer shawls were very respected pieces of material and would only have been put on when one was in prayer or synagogue. Similar to what is still the practice in the middle east today among the Islamic faith.

That's just always been my understanding that I learned in putting on a performance of the Passion play for a number of years with a fellowship in Miami. When we did the last supper scene we were told that the prayer shawls were treated with great respect and to fold them very carefully when we took them off. Maybe it's not a correct understanding, but it does seem to make some logical sense. Prayer shawls had a lot of symbolism attached to their construction with even the name of God on them. Knowing how respectful Jews were concerning the name of God, I'd really imagine that they didn't just wear their shawls all the time. They tended to be treated with great respect and worn during special times.

Just as you see today, men don't walk around Israel with their prayer shawls on all the time. They wear them when they go to temple and they wear them standing at the wailing wall in prayer.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

 

[AJTruth]

HI AJ,

I'm curious on what you base this idea that Jesus wore a prayer shawl. I don't think it was common to wear a prayer shawl when one was out and about. It's always been my understanding that prayer shawls were very respected pieces of material and would only have been put on when one was in prayer or synagogue. Similar to what is still the practice in the middle east today among the Islamic faith.

That's just always been my understanding that I learned in putting on a performance of the Passion play for a number of years with a fellowship in Miami. When we did the last supper scene we were told that the prayer shawls were treated with great respect and to fold them very carefully when we took them off. Maybe it's not a correct understanding, but it does seem to make some logical sense. Prayer shawls had a lot of symbolism attached to their construction with even the name of God on them. Knowing how respectful Jews were concerning the name of God, I'd really imagine that they didn't just wear their shawls all the time. They tended to be treated with great respect and worn during special times.

Just as you see today, men don't walk around Israel with their prayer shawls on all the time. They wear them when they go to temple and they wear them standing at the wailing wall in prayer.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted

Hello Ted,
In the last scriptures posted. He's not at the wailing wall or in a synagogue.

I respect your opinion and respectfully disagree. Have a blessed day. AJ

 

[miamited]

Hi AJ,

I likewise respect your understanding, but...

The issue isn't where Jesus was at the time the woman touched his garment. I only mentioned that as being the place where they are commonly worn today. The issue that you and I are discussing at the moment is what garments Jesus would have had on at this time. I'm just not convinced that he would have been wearing a prayer shawl as he walked about the streets and byways of Israel.

God bless you
In Christ, ted

 

[AJTruth]

Hi AJ,

I likewise respect your understanding, but...

The issue isn't where Jesus was at the time the woman touched his garment. I only mentioned that as being the place where they are commonly worn today. The issue that you and I are discussing at the moment is what garments Jesus would have had on at this time. I'm just not convinced that he would have been wearing a prayer shawl as he walked about the streets and byways of Israel.

God bless you
In Christ, ted

Hello again Ted,

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Topic: Hem see Topic: Border

kraspedon Strong's 2899
was primarily "the extremity or prominent part of a thing, an edge;" hence "the fringe of a garment, or a little fringe," hanging down from the edge of the mantle or cloak.

The Jews had these attached to their mantles to remind them of the Law, according to Num. 15:38,39; Deut. 22:12; Zech. 8:23.

This is the meaning in Matt. 23:5. In Matt. 9:20; 14:36; Mark 6:56; Luke 8:44, it is used of the border of Christ's garment (AV "hem," in the first two places). See HEM.

Strong's Concordance

kraspedon: a border, tassel

Original Word: κράσπεδον, ου, τό

Part of Speech: Noun, Neuter

Transliteration: kraspedon
Phonetic Spelling: (kras'-ped-on)

Short Definition: the fringe, edge

Definition: the fringe, edge, corner, tassel.

I see Prayer Shawl

Again, I believe we'll have to agree to disagree. No harm to foul, the Apostles had disagreements and were still able to love one another.

May the Lord's Grace be multiplied to you & yours. AJ

 

[miamited]

Hello again Ted,

Vine's Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words

Topic: Hem see Topic: Border

kraspedon Strong's 2899
was primarily "the extremity or prominent part of a thing, an edge;" hence "the fringe of a garment, or a little fringe," hanging down from the edge of the mantle or cloak.

Hi AJ,

You'll get no argument from me on any of what you posted as to the various definitions of kraspedon. You seem to want to insist that this fringe, border, tassle was a part of a prayer shawl. That's the part that I'm questioning. I've already written in my previous responses exactly what your first definition says. It is a fringe or embroidered edge, especially a tassle. So, I don't know why you're posting what I've already posted as some response to me.

Now, whether or not in this instance the writer meant to convey that the bottom of Jesus' cloak was simply a hem, or fringed edge, or was specifically referring to a tassel hanging from such an edge, cannot be specifically determined by the word 'kraspedon'. Personally, it doesn't really matter to me what particular piece of clothing my Lord was wearing when this event occurred. What I know is that by merely touch a part of his garment, the woman with the issue of blood was healed. I believe that's the point of the account. Not for us to sit here 2,000 years after the fact and try to fuss and argue over what kind of garment or what piece of clothing the woman touched.

You, however, seemed to present as some sort of fact that it was a prayer shawl and quite frankly I can't find any evidence, based on the words used in the greek account as written that we have today, that would indicate that it was a prayer shawl that she touched. You still haven't offered any evidence to support that 'fact'.

Yes, I agree that in a matter such as this we can still be brothers in agreement to disagree about what exactly Jesus was wearing that the woman touched.

God bless you,
In Christ, ted