MJ Only Matthew 5:18

[gadar perets]

It was in the heart of King David to build a glorious dwelling place for Yeshua.

It was a dwelling place for Yeshua's Father, YHWH, not Yeshua.

 

[Mercy74]

It was a dwelling place for Yeshua's Father, YHWH, not Yeshua.

Ephesians 4:5-6

 

[Laureate]

May I please offer the following link for discussion and consideration?

Did Jesus Contradict Himself in Matthew 5:17?

The definition for Torah in the article is both infantile and corrupt, and the assertions predicated on such are also (denominationally) infantile, and corrupt.

It would be more appropriate to ask, Why do you (Messianic Jews) believe the Torah has not been done away with or replaced?

 

[Erik Nelson]

The definition for Torah in the article is both infantile and corrupt, and the assertions predicated on such are also (denominationally) infantile, and corrupt.

It would be more appropriate to ask, Why do you (Messianic Jews) believe the Torah has not been done away with or replaced?

Well, please, don't keep us in suspense

what's your argument?

 

[gadar perets]

Ephesians 4:5-6

This passage has nothing to do with who David wanted to build the temple for.

1 Kings 8:17 "Now it was in the heart of my father David to build a house for the name of YHWH, the God of Israel.
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Who is "YHWH"? And who is the "God of Israel"?

Psalm 2:7 "I (Yeshua) will surely tell of the decree of YHWH (my Father): He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. (parenthesis mine)
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These are the words of Yeshua via the spirit of prophecy through the psalmist speaking about his Father YHWH.

Exodus 3:15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob (Israel), has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations. (parenthesis mine)

Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel), the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Yeshua, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (parenthesis mine)
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YHWH is Yeshua's Father and Yeshua is YHWH's Son and servant. The temple was built for Yeshua's Father.

 

[Mercy74]

This passage has nothing to do with who David wanted to build the temple for.

1 Kings 8:17 "Now it was in the heart of my father David to build a house for the name of YHWH, the God of Israel.
​

Who is "YHWH"? And who is the "God of Israel"?

Psalm 2:7 "I (Yeshua) will surely tell of the decree of YHWH (my Father): He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. (parenthesis mine)
​

These are the words of Yeshua via the spirit of prophecy through the psalmist speaking about his Father YHWH.

Exodus 3:15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob (Israel), has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations. (parenthesis mine)

Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel), the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Yeshua, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (parenthesis mine)
​

YHWH is Yeshua's Father and Yeshua is YHWH's Son and servant. The temple was built for Yeshua's Father.

What does Colossians 2:9 mean? Please explain Acts 7:48 and Acts 17:24.

 

[gadar perets]

What does Colossians 2:9 mean?

It means Yeshua's Father YHWH was dwelling in His Son Yeshua without measure via His Holy Spirit. YHWH's Holy Spirit dwells in all believers as well, but not without measure. We only have a down payment. Yeshua had it all.

 

[Mercy74]

This passage has nothing to do with who David wanted to build the temple for.

1 Kings 8:17 "Now it was in the heart of my father David to build a house for the name of YHWH, the God of Israel.
​

Who is "YHWH"? And who is the "God of Israel"?

Psalm 2:7 "I (Yeshua) will surely tell of the decree of YHWH (my Father): He said to Me, 'You are My Son, Today I have begotten You. (parenthesis mine)
​

These are the words of Yeshua via the spirit of prophecy through the psalmist speaking about his Father YHWH.

Exodus 3:15 God, furthermore, said to Moses, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'YHWH, the God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob (Israel), has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is My memorial-name to all generations. (parenthesis mine)

Acts 3:13 "The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel), the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Yeshua, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. (parenthesis mine)
​

YHWH is Yeshua's Father and Yeshua is YHWH's Son and servant. The temple was built for Yeshua's Father.

1 Kings 8:27

 

[Mercy74]

It means Yeshua's Father YHWH was dwelling in His Son Yeshua without measure via His Holy Spirit. YHWH's Holy Spirit dwells in all believers as well, but not without measure. We only have a down payment. Yeshua had it all.

Yes, the Father dwells in his Son, so the house was made for Yeshua (bodily form). The father and son are one.

 

[gadar perets]

1 Kings 8:27

Whether or not the house could contain YHWH is irrelevant to the question of who David wanted it built for.

 

[gadar perets]

Yes, the Father dwells in his Son, so the house was made for Yeshua (bodily form). The father and son are one.

Now you are getting into an area of theology that, sadly, I am not permitted to discuss in this forum without getting banned. Feel free to PM me your post and I will gladly reply.

 

[Mercy74]

Whether or not the house could contain YHWH is irrelevant to the question of who David wanted it built for.

David was not permitted to build the temple, but his son. Will you ignore scripture? David thought is wise to possess the ark of the covenant. Acts 7:48. Why would David wish to build a house that YHWH does not dwell? Solomon made it clear YHWH does not dwell in a house made by men. The ark of the covenant was placed inside the temple.

 

[gadar perets]

David was not permitted to build the temple, but his son.

I didn't say he built it. I said, "...who David wanted it built for."

Will you ignore scripture? David thought is wise to possess the ark of the covenant. Acts 7:48. Why would David wish to build a house that YHWH does not dwell? Solomon made it clear YHWH does not dwell in a house made by men. The ark of the covenant was placed inside the temple.

I ignored nothing. The fact remains that David desired to build a house for YHWH. The statement in 1 Kings 8:27 was made by Solomon, not David.

 

[Mercy74]

I didn't say he built it. I said, "...who David wanted it built for."


I ignored nothing. The fact remains that David desired to build a house for YHWH. The statement in 1 Kings 8:27 was made by Solomon, not David.

Why are you arguing this point? Do you understand the father and son are one? What was in the heart of David to build, his son built it. That father dwells in a cloud, the glory of the L-rd filled the temple. The father dwells in the son, the son entered the temple. A great house with many rooms is built for a man, that man parks his car in the garage, you say well the house was built for the man not the car or his father. If this mansion was built only for the father, why all the extra bedrooms? You argue a moot point.

 

[Mercy74]

Whether or not the house could contain YHWH is irrelevant to the question of who David wanted it built for.

Every great house is built with a blueprint to house who or whom the house is built for. We know a mansion is built for a rich large family but a one room efficiency apartment is made for one guest. Please do not read the scriptures and forget to use your common sense. There are occupancy laws that guide how and why houses are built. No one builds a house, so that occupants can not fit inside. In all thy getting get understanding.

 

[gadar perets]

Why are you arguing this point? Do you understand the father and son are one?

Yes, they are one in purpose, united in goals just as we are to be with them. They are not one in being.

What was in the heart of David to build, his son built it. That father dwells in a cloud, the glory of the L-rd filled the temple. The father dwells in the son, the son entered the temple. A great house with many rooms is built for a man, that man parks his car in the garage, you say well the house was built for the man not the car or his father. If this mansion was built only for the father, why all the extra bedrooms? You argue a moot point.

This discussion arose when you said David desired to build a house for Yeshua. You were referring to the earthly house, not the heavenly one. The earthly house was made for YHWH alone. It only had two rooms. YHWH dwelt in one and the other was not lived in.

 

[gadar perets]

Every great house is built with a blueprint to house who or whom the house is built for. We know a mansion is built for a rich large family but a one room efficiency apartment is made for one guest. Please do not read the scriptures and forget to use your common sense. There are occupancy laws that guide how and why houses are built. No one builds a house, so that occupants can not fit inside. In all thy getting get understanding.

If you are referring to the "mansions" of John 14:2, they were not part of the blueprint for the earthly house proper. We are discussing "YHWH's house", not all the surrounding buildings.

 

[Mercy74]

Yes, they are one in purpose, united in goals just as we are to be with them. They are not one in being.

This discussion arose when you said David desired to build a house for Yeshua. You were referring to the earthly house, not the heavenly one. The earthly house was made for YHWH alone. It only had two rooms. YHWH dwelt in one and the other was not lived in.

The G-dhead dwells bodily in Yeshua, there is one body, one faith, one baptism. The earthly house was patterned after the heavenly house. You don't think Solomon's temple was a great house?

 

[Mercy74]

If you are referring to the "mansions" of John 14:2, they were not part of the blueprint for the earthly house proper. We are discussing "YHWH's house", not all the surrounding buildings.

I said a mansion not a college campus; I do not know what you mean by surrounding buildings? A mansion with many rooms, maybe even like Solomon's temple. How do you know which blueprint Yeshua uses to prepare a place for his followers? Moses could not enter the tabernacle while the glory of the L-rd filled the house.

 

[gadar perets]

The G-dhead dwells bodily in Yeshua, there is one body, one faith, one baptism. The earthly house was patterned after the heavenly house. You don't think Solomon's temple was a great house?

The "Godhead" is YHWH. Yes, He dwelt in Yeshua. God was in Messiah reconciling the world unto Himself.
Yes, Solomon's temple was a great house. I never said it wasn't.