Matthew 24 Revealed: Understanding The Timeline

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
Well, first, if the 70 year-weeks, a period of 490 yeras,w as not complete 2000 years ago, then we are up to 2490 years or more, but that wasnt what he said, was it....

No, actually only 483 years have passed because like Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 11, there are breaks in the prophesy's between, what we now know as being historic to us, and the end times. To Daniel's time those could have been thought to be continuous because at the time, the end times could not have been forseen in their day - as occurring in our 2017 time.

geiroffenberg · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
Actually John doesn't define the Antichrist, but gives characteristics of the Antichrist. John likened them in his day to the coming Antichrist who were leaving Christianity, denying Father and Son as antichrists. Everything John characterized about the Antichrist is found in John 5.

This is NOT true. YOU can not prove that antichrist has any combatting defintion of what john is talking about, and his description is in deed a defintion. Because he says these are false prophet, and false teacher, that has "come from us" but was later shown not to truly be from us because they preached that jesus christ has NOT come in flesh. I dont care if you dont agree with this but would rather go with another defition from johns revelation that was actually for one of the emperors of rome, and has nothing to wo with johns defintion. I can read the bible black on white myself and dont need anyone to confuse the issue. It is very clear. I am NOT trying to debate anyone whio dont want to read it as it is, i couldnt care less about it. BUt for whoever who is confused about the matter and see all the self evident abuses of scripture and contradictios in this kind of teaching, im telling you theres is a better and more biblical way.

The actual definition of the Anti-christ can be determined from the bible and the definition of the prefix "Anti". Back at Jesus's time, it was understood by everyone that Christ meant "the" messiah, and that the messiah was a promised great King of Israel who would lead the Jews and the rest of the world into the messianic age of peace, safety, harmony in the world. And of course restoring the Kingdom of Israel free from foreign occupation.

So from the bible, Christ can be affirmed to mean that great promised KIng of Israel by the passage where the thief on the cross mocked Jesus saying....

Mark 15:32 Let Christ the King of Israel descend now from the cross, that we may see and believe. And they that were crucified with him reviled him.

So the person has to be anointed the King of Israel to become the Antichrist - instead of Jesus the rightful King of Israel. Now later on in the seven years of the 70th week, the person betrays Israel, the Jews, and transgresses the covenant - which gets him rejected as continuing as their King, followed him being killed and brought back to life - not as the Antichrist - but the beast.

This is foolish. You are talking about an pseudo christ. Thats a whole other matter. It is mentioned in matt 24:24 by the greek wiord pseudochristos, but you SHOULD know this if you make yourself out to be an expert on this that think you know better. im not trying to explainj to anybody the scriptures. IM telling you WHAT IT SAYS! without any explanation.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
3.5 years later, the MESSIAH was "cut off". This was in the "middle" of the "week", literally. It is so in the middle it is possible to be. This word has a specific meaning beyong just being dead, it means to "cut" a covenant, with blood. (bereshit) this IS what this messiah did on the cross. It can not ever be denied, i hope all is in agreement here.

So sorry but that view fails on several accounts. 1. Jesus was not crucified ater 69 1/2 weeks. Jesus was crucified at the end of 69 weeks.

2. Next the covenant is not the new testament covenant, which there is zero statement in the new testament by any of the disciples referring to having fulfilled Daniel 9 in such manner. They did not teach what you are saying.

3. The confirming of the covenant for 7 years is actually in the bible. It is referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant and God's promise that Israel would belong to the children of Israel forever. Moses was first to confirm the covenant for 7 years. He made a law that all future generations were to likewise confirmed the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years. It is Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

geiroffenberg · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
No, actually only 483 years have passed because like Daniel 2, Daniel 7, Daniel 8, Daniel 11, there are breaks in the prophesy's between, what we now know as being historic to us, and the end times. To Daniel's time those could have been thought to be continuous because at the time, the end times could not have been forseen in their day - as occurring in our 2017 time.

There are no "breaks" in the 490 years. WHat kind of exactly dated time perdio would taht be? You can no base a WHOLE end time doctrine on a man man tought that there is a break in the 490 years. Ask ANY jewish expert if there are any textual reason to belive there ever can be a perdio LONGER than 490 years or if it hs breaks in it! NO, thats why the rabbis of old owrked overtime to make these years point to OTHER jewish celebreties than jesus, becasue they clearly see that it fits sometime in taht day. They even removed seevral hundre years from the jewsh calender (the lost years, look it up) to make it fit simon bar kohkbah or whatever.

geiroffenberg · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
So sorry but that view fails on several accounts. 1. Jesus was not crucified ater 69 1/2 weeks. Jesus was crucified at the end of 69 weeks.

Then you must learn to read, because it cleary says he will be cut off "after" the 69 weeks. jesus. Nad it LITERALLY says this is about the messiah. Daniel LITERALLY uses the word messiah as a name here. It only happens one other place, psalm 2.

So you are 100% wrong, as everyone can read for themselves.

2. Next the covenant is not the new testament covenant, which there is zero statement in the new testament by any of the disciples referring to having fulfilled Daniel 9 in such manner. They did not teach what you are saying.

You are acting foolish. I said THE OLD COVENANT. God had a covenant with the jewish people. They did never fulfill it. Jesus said he didnt come to take it away, but to fulfill it. What is wrong with you? can you not read?

3. The confirming of the covenant for 7 years is actually in the bible. It is referring to the Mt. Sinai covenant and God's promise that Israel would belong to the children of Israel forever. Moses was first to confirm the covenant for 7 years. He made a law that all future generations were to likewise confirmed the Mt. Sinai covenant every 7 years. It is Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

Yeah? and it says "THE MESSIAH" shall confirm it, and it should happen after the 69 weeks, meaning in the last 7 years. How ahrd is this to udnerstand?[/QUOTE]

geiroffenberg · Mar 31, 2017

done with this, there is more than enough in what i wrote to expose this false teaching. un watching this thread.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
This is NOT true. YOU can not prove that antichrist has any combatting defintion of what john is talking about, and his description is in deed a defintion. Because he says these are false prophet, and false teacher, that has "come from us" but was later shown not to truly be from us because they preached that jesus christ has NOT come in flesh. I dont care if you dont agree with this but would rather go with another defition from johns revelation that was actually for one of the emperors of rome, and has nothing to wo with johns defintion. I can read the bible black on white myself and dont need anyone to confuse the issue. It is very clear. I am NOT trying to debate anyone whio dont want to read it as it is, i couldnt care less about it. BUt for whoever who is confused about the matter and see all the self evident abuses of scripture and contradictios in this kind of teaching, im telling you theres is a better and more biblical way.

The church did not create the term Christ. The actual transliterated greek word "Christos" is taken to mean "the" messiah. Actually messiah itself means anointed - and the kings and priests of Israel were considered anointeds. But "the" messiah is one special King of Israel. Here is the verse of Christ meaning messiah. "the" messiah is implied.

John 4:25 The woman saith unto him, I know that Messias cometh, which is called Christ: when he is come, he will tell us all things.

This is foolish. You are talking about an pseudo christ. Thats a whole other matter. It is mentioned in matt 24:24 by the greek wiord pseudochristos, but you SHOULD know this if you make yourself out to be an expert on this that think you know better. im not trying to explainj to anybody the scriptures. IM telling you WHAT IT SAYS! without any explanation.

Yes, Jesus said there would be false Christs, but those are not the Antichrist, the coming illegitimate King of Israel. Three examples of false Christs - persons claiming to be Jesus.... Jose Miranda, John Miller (Australia), Vissarion (Russia). There is plenty about them on the internet.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
Then you must learn to read, because it cleary says he will be cut off "after" the 69 weeks. jesus. Nad it LITERALLY says this is about the messiah. Daniel LITERALLY uses the word messiah as a name here. It only happens one other place, psalm 2.

Jesus rode into Jerusalem passover week on a donkey, fulfilling Zechariah 9:9 as the messiah. Four days later he was crucified.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
Yeah? and it says "THE MESSIAH" shall confirm it, and it should happen after the 69 weeks, meaning in the last 7 years. How ahrd is this to udnerstand

I don't know what translation bible you are using. But in the KJV it does not say "the messiah" shall confirm it, but following the Prince who shall come, It says at the beginning of verse 27 "he" shall confim the covenant with many ofr seven years.

Even if a person misinterprets the "he" to be Jesus - the facts are that none of the disciple taught that Jesus confirmed the covenant for 7 years. As critical as that passage is in Daniel 9:27, the disciples who were around a lot more than 7 years following Jesus, they would have taught what you are claiming - bu they didn't.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

Another Lazarus · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
done with this, there is more than enough in what i wrote to expose this false teaching. un watching this thread.

Jesus warns that antichrist shall be received by the Jews. the fact that the Israelites havent rcvd Jesus as the Messiah.
John 5:43 I have come in My Father's name, and you have not received Me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will receive him.

Daniel says that prince will cause OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS !!
How in the truth it could be JESUS ?

Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS he shall make it desolate,

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Another Lazarus · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
done with this, there is more than enough in what i wrote to expose this false teaching. un watching this thread.

Jesus warns that antichrist shall be received by the Jews. the fact that the Israelites havent rcvd Jesus as the Messiah.
John 5:43 I have come in My Father's name, and you have not received Me; but if someone else comes in his own name, you will receive him.

Daniel says that prince will cause OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS !!
How in the truth it could be JESUS ?

Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS he shall make it desolate,

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
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oh the site is giving you double posts as well. Glad to see that it was just not me.

BABerean2 · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
I don't know what translation bible you are using. But in the KJV it does not say "the messiah" shall confirm it, but following the Prince who shall come, It says at the beginning of verse 27 "he" shall confim the covenant with many ofr seven years.

Even if a person misinterprets the "he" to be Jesus - the facts are that none of the disciple taught that Jesus confirmed the covenant for 7 years. As critical as that passage is in Daniel 9:27, the disciples who were around a lot more than 7 years following Jesus, they would have taught what you are claiming - bu they didn't.

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

The notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible at Daniel 9:27 say it is Christ's covenant.

Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?
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BABerean2 · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
I don't know what translation bible you are using. But in the KJV it does not say "the messiah" shall confirm it, but following the Prince who shall come, It says at the beginning of verse 27 "he" shall confim the covenant with many ofr seven years.

Even if a person misinterprets the "he" to be Jesus - the facts are that none of the disciple taught that Jesus confirmed the covenant for 7 years. As critical as that passage is in Daniel 9:27, the disciples who were around a lot more than 7 years following Jesus, they would have taught what you are claiming - bu they didn't.

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

The notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible at Daniel 9:27 say it is Christ's covenant.

Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?
.

BABerean2 · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
I don't know what translation bible you are using. But in the KJV it does not say "the messiah" shall confirm it, but following the Prince who shall come, It says at the beginning of verse 27 "he" shall confim the covenant with many ofr seven years.

Even if a person misinterprets the "he" to be Jesus - the facts are that none of the disciple taught that Jesus confirmed the covenant for 7 years. As critical as that passage is in Daniel 9:27, the disciples who were around a lot more than 7 years following Jesus, they would have taught what you are claiming - bu they didn't.

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

The notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible at Daniel 9:27 say it is Christ's covenant.

Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?
.

BABerean2 · Mar 31, 2017

Douggg said:
I don't know what translation bible you are using. But in the KJV it does not say "the messiah" shall confirm it, but following the Prince who shall come, It says at the beginning of verse 27 "he" shall confim the covenant with many ofr seven years.

Even if a person misinterprets the "he" to be Jesus - the facts are that none of the disciple taught that Jesus confirmed the covenant for 7 years. As critical as that passage is in Daniel 9:27, the disciples who were around a lot more than 7 years following Jesus, they would have taught what you are claiming - bu they didn't.

The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

The notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible at Daniel 9:27 say it is Christ's covenant.

Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?
.

Douggg · Mar 31, 2017

BABerean2 said:
The scriptural reference beside of Daniel 9:27 in my NKJV Bible is Matthew 26:28.

The notes in the 1599 Geneva Bible at Daniel 9:27 say it is Christ's covenant.

Do you have a name of who wrote the notes?

Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?
.

That is actually the question I should be asking you - since it says confirm the covenant, and not "new" covenant in the text.

Another Lazarus · Mar 31, 2017

BABerean2 said:
Christ is the Messiah who would fulfill the New Covenant already promised to Jeremiah in Jeremiah 31:31-34. Daniel was reading from the Book of Jeremiah when Gabriel appeared to reveal the time line of the New Covenant Messiah.
Do you think Gabriel forgot to mention the New Covenant?.

Daniel says that prince will cause OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS !!
How in the truth it could be JESUS ?

Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS he shall make it desolate,

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

Revealing Times · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
Ok, i'll interpret that as you have no answer,

Interpret any way you like, if you can't count from 30 AD to 2017 then you must be a troll.

geiroffenberg said:
I may not understand what youre on about, but i do know the only defintion of anti christ ever given in the whole of the bible, and tis only found in johns letters, and it has nothing to do with this. Maybe you are operating with some idea of antichrist that doesnt fit that description, but thats no interesting to me, because john most probably knew what he was talking about, and im sure HE understood it. SO ill trust him them if thats ok by you.

Anti-Christ means ZERO....I go by them all, Little Horn/Beast/Man of Sin/The Assyrian and John using the COMING ANTI-CHRIST in one passage. The word Trinity is not in the bible at all. Most people use the word Anti-Christ to refer to the ONE MAN who will become a DICTATOR who is called the BEAST because he conquers Israel, just like the other Seven Heads of the BEAST in Rev. 13 and 17.

And that is what the prince to come means THE BEAST of Rev. 13..........The Little Horn of Daniel 7 and 8.........The Assyrian of Isaiah 10.

John Hyperspace · Mar 31, 2017

I have this distinct feeling that after everything is all over and the big curtain has come up; we'll be hearing "Wow. Did not see that coming." "Totally had no idea." "Thought it would be completely different." "Never expected that angle." "Nope." "Completely out of left field." "It was. Super-left field, even." "I can't believe i thought what i did." "Me either." "It's so ridiculous now; how did I come up with that nonsense?" "A 'rapture' of people disappearing?" "I know it makes no sense now." "But it sounded good at the time, right?" "Not to me, I said there would be no rapture." "Yeah but you also said that other stuff and had that whole schematic." "Yeah that's true. What was I thinking?" "Anyway..." "Completely out of left field." "Completely."

Revealing Times · Mar 31, 2017

geiroffenberg said:
Well, first, if the 70 year-weeks, a period of 490 yeras,w as not complete 2000 years ago, then we are up to 2490 years or more, but that wasnt what he said, was it....

Of course not understanding the scriptures throws one off kilter. Ezekiel prophesied that Israel would be as Dead Men's Bones in the Valley of dry bones prophecy. You do understand that meant that Israel was to be no more until she LIVED AGAIN right? So Israel was not around for close to 2000 years, then she was BORN AGAIN....Ezekiel was asked, "Son of man, can these bones live again? Then Ezekiel saw those bones come alive again. So your 2490 years doesn't add up. There was 483 years, Jesus was CUT OFF, Israel was no more, and the last week or 70th Week will be JACOBS TROUBLE. It was 70 SEVENS, HENCE IT WAS 7X7, 62X7 AND 1X7.

All the rest of your Daniel understanding is OFF KILTER BROTHER............

BABerean2 · Apr 1, 2017

Another Lazarus said:
Daniel says that prince will cause OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS !!
How in the truth it could be JESUS ?

Daniel 9: 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the OVERSPREADING OF ABOMINATIONS he shall make it desolate,

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

You are mixing together two different princes from two different chapters and claiming they are one and the same. The first was Antiochus Epiphanies in 167 BC.

The abomination in Daniel 9:27 was spoken by the prince speaking at the end of Matthew chapter 23. "Your house will be left unto you desolate."

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