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[food4thought]

Oh you are referring to acts 28 dispy or ultra dispy.

For us, romans to Philemon are of the equal importance

What about Hebrews, James, Peter, John, and Jude?

 

[Guojing]

What about Hebrews, James, Peter, John, and Jude?

The picture below explains it well. Hebrews to Rev are scripture mainly for the Tribulation period, which is the age to come.

 

[Pepper77]

I am not sure, but doesn't mid-Acts relegate quite a few of the epistles to second class status? I have a problem with that.

Oh you are referring to acts 28 dispy or ultra dispy.

For us, romans to Philemon are of the equal importance

They also teach that Peter and John’s epistles are not for the body of Christ nor are James or Hebrews. Also Revelation in only referring to events after the church is taken away in the rapture.

 

[food4thought]

The picture below explains it well. Hebrews to Rev are scripture mainly for the Tribulation period, which is the age to come.

Yeah, I have issues with that.

 

[Pepper77]

Yeah, I have issues with that.

I do too. I go to a Mid-Acts church and disagree with a lot of what they teach. I agree with some of it and see their points on some of it but think they go to far. I agree more with Acts 2. I think it gets to be a distraction away from the most important thing....our life in Christ right now. I love the people at my church though and the pastor is wonderful. But he is very intent on teaching this theology. The best teaching imo with them is the distinction between law and grace. but they also don’t like to say we’re living under the new covenant which I believe we are, and what Hebrew says about it is for us as Gentile believers in the body of Christ as well.

 

[food4thought]

I do too. I go to a Mid-Acts church and disagree with a lot of what they teach. I agree with some of it and see their points on some of it but think they go to far. I agree more with Acts 2. I think it gets to be a distraction away from the most important thing....our life in Christ right now. I love the people at my church though and the pastor is wonderful. But he is very intent on teaching this theology. The best teaching imo with them is the distinction between law and grace. but they also don’t like to say we’re living under the new covenant which I believe we are, and what Hebrew says about it is for us as Gentile believers in the body of Christ as well.

I agree about it being a distraction... yet, as a Bible teacher, I want to be sure I am rightly dividing, because bible teachers receive a "stricter judgment" (James 3:1). I want to be sure that I am teaching the Bible accurately and faithfully.

 

[Guojing]

Yeah, I have issues with that.

I see, so those epistles relegated to "second class" that you were referring to is not the earlier ones Paul wrote before Acts 28, but rather you were referring to James, Peter and John.

You mean those Acts 2 dispy do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture of the body of Christ?

Also, they also regard Hebrews to Rev as directed to the body of Christ?

That is fascinating if both are true. Any links to any webpage that explains well what those Acts 2 dispy believe in?

 

[Guojing]

I do too. I go to a Mid-Acts church and disagree with a lot of what they teach. I agree with some of it and see their points on some of it but think they go to far. I agree more with Acts 2. I think it gets to be a distraction away from the most important thing....our life in Christ right now. I love the people at my church though and the pastor is wonderful. But he is very intent on teaching this theology. The best teaching imo with them is the distinction between law and grace. but they also don’t like to say we’re living under the new covenant which I believe we are, and what Hebrew says about it is for us as Gentile believers in the body of Christ as well.

Welcome to this discussion. I have some questions that I hope to learn from those who are Acts 2 dispy.

You mean those Acts 2 dispy do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture of the body of Christ?

Also, they also regard Hebrews to Rev as directed to the body of Christ?

That is fascinating if both are true. Any links to any webpage that explains well what those Acts 2 dispy believe in?

 

[Dan Perez]

Well, you will realize that other people will prefer to use versions like the NIV which replaced the word OF with FOR, and still insist that they are the same Gospel. =)

Hi and to me the most important word in Gal 2:7 the the Greek ARTICLE " THE " that points to the GOSPEL OF THE UN-CIRCUMCISION and the , points to a specific un- circumcision that Paul taught and ONLY Paul !!

dan p

 

[Pepper77]

Welcome to this discussion. I have some questions that I hope to learn from those who are Acts 2 dispy.

You mean those Acts 2 dispy do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture of the body of Christ?

Also, they also regard Hebrews to Rev as directed to the body of Christ?

That is fascinating if both are true. Any links to any webpage that explains well what those Acts 2 dispy believe in?

Thank you. I believe you would find that traditional dispensationalism would hold to a pretrib rapture on the whole. I don’t believe they would discount any of the new testament books as not being written to the body of Christ. There would be an acknowledgment that some of the books primarily were written to Jewish believers in the body of Christ but with wider application to everyone in the body of Christ. If you simply Google traditional dispensationalism you should find material regarding it.

 

[Guojing]

Thank you. I believe you would find that traditional dispensationalism would hold to a pretrib rapture on the whole. I don’t believe they would discount any of the new testament books as not being written to the body of Christ. There would be an acknowledgment that some of the books primarily were written to Jewish believers in the body of Christ but with wider application to everyone in the body of Christ. If you simply Google traditional dispensationalism you should find material regarding it.

I see. How might you, for example, respond to the most famous point used by many in James, that faith without works is dead?

 

[food4thought]

I should say I am loosely dispensational... I come from a Calvary Chapel background, but I have not been a part of the movement for about 10 years and a lot has changed.

I see, so those epistles relegated to "second class" that you were referring to is not the earlier ones Paul wrote before Acts 28, but rather you were referring to James, Peter and John.

I was unsure, but I thought I remembered a mid-Acts dispensationalist say that not all the NT was directed at the Church... couldn't remember for sure whether that was mid-Acts or Acts 28. Thank you for clarifying that for me.

You mean those Acts 2 dispy do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture of the body of Christ?

I am pre-trib. I have met a few people from CC (Calvary Chapel) that were mid-trib or pre-wrath, but they were rare.

Also, they also regard Hebrews to Rev as directed to the body of Christ?

Yes, but Revelation 6-19 is primarily for the people of the tribulation (although application can be made to today).

That is fascinating if both are true. Any links to any webpage that explains well what those Acts 2 dispy believe in?

Calvary Chapel's statement of faith can be found here: Calvary Chapel | Statement of Faith

 

[Guojing]

I should say I am loosely dispensational... I come from a Calvary Chapel background, but I have not been a part of the movement for about 10 years and a lot has changed.



I was unsure, but I thought I remembered a mid-Acts dispensationalist say that not all the NT was directed at the Church... couldn't remember for sure whether that was mid-Acts or Acts 28. Thank you for clarifying that for me.



I am pre-trib. I have met a few people from CC (Calvary Chapel) that were mid-trib or pre-wrath, but they were rare.



Yes, but Revelation 6-19 is primarily for the people of the tribulation (although application can be made to today).



Calvary Chapel's statement of faith can be found here: Calvary Chapel | Statement of Faith

From what I understand of those of Acts 28 dispy, they only consider the prison letters of Paul onward, Ephesians onward, as more relevant, since they were written when Paul was in Rome, at the end of Acts.

 

[food4thought]

From what I understand of those of Acts 28 dispy, they only consider the prison letters of Paul onward, Ephesians onward, as more relevant, since they were written when Paul was in Rome, at the end of Acts.

Yeah, that is extreme dispensationalism, not just ultra-dispensationalism!

 

[Danoh]

The picture below explains it well. Hebrews to Rev are scripture mainly for the Tribulation period, which is the age to come.

Great schematic of how the Bible is laid out.

Rom. 5:8

 

[Dan Perez]

Welcome to this discussion. I have some questions that I hope to learn from those who are Acts 2 dispy.

You mean those Acts 2 dispy do not believe in a pre tribulation rapture of the body of Christ?

Also, they also regard Hebrews to Rev as directed to the body of Christ?

That is fascinating if both are true. Any links to any webpage that explains well what those Acts 2 dispy believe in?

Hi and I do know that ROBERT C BROCK has a booklet on Acts 2 people and that many of his booklets are still be brought as I do get many myself !!

So , high to Danoh , good to see you again !!

dan p

 

[Danoh]

Well, you will realize that other people will prefer to use versions like the NIV which replaced the word OF with FOR, and still insist that they are the same Gospel. =)

No problem.

Because whether or not the Apostle Paul's intended sense in Galatians 2 is two different gospels (plural), or the word gospel (singular) and two different audiences, it is clear throughout the Epistle that an issue of two different gospels is the very issue he finds himself having to address.

For the Law had also been gospel, Deuteronomy 6:25.

In short, as with any other issue, the weight of evidence on this issue as to what is actually what, has always been the whole of Scripture, 2 Tim. 3:16, 17 - when - rightly divided, as in 2 Tim. 2:15-18.

Rom. 5:8

 

[Danoh]

Hi and I do know that ROBERT C BROCK has a booklet on Acts 2 people and that many of his booklets are still be brought as I do get many myself !!

So , high to Danoh , good to see you again !!

dan p

And a hello, back at ya...

Rom. 5:8