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Matthew 1:21:And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Who are ''his people''?

Remember that God chose Israel as the firstborn
Exodus 4:22:And thou shalt say unto Pharaoh, Thus saith the LORD, Israel is my son, even my firstborn:

Deuteronomy 7:6:For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

Amos 3:2:You only have I known of all the families of the earth: therefore I will punish you for all your iniquities.

I Peter 2:9:But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Jesus said:

Matthew 15:24:But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Apostles were to:

Matthew 10:6:But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

The Apostles were to:

Luke 22:30:That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Luke 24:21:But we trusted that it had been he which should have redeemed Israel: and beside all this, to day is the third day since these things were done.

John 12:13:Took branches of palm trees, and went forth to meet him, and cried, Hosanna: Blessed is the King of Israel that cometh in the name of the Lord.

Acts 2:36:Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

So,who are ''his people''?
 

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I see varieties of heresy but the ones I'm seeing the most on here are distinction between Jews and Gentiles when Scripture clearly says:

Rom. 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;
 
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I agree, IN Christ theres no difference, even Christ said additionally...

John 10:16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

Heres those who are not a people

Duet 32:21 They have moved me to jealousy with [that which is] not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.


Romans 10:19 But I say, Did not Israel know? First Moses saith, I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.
 
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I see varieties of heresy but the ones I'm seeing the most on here are distinction between Jews and Gentiles when Scripture clearly says:

Rom. 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;

Firen is correct, Romans is largely alluding to what the situation was during/after Christ's ministry on Earth, it is after all, a part of the N.T.

Also, the scripture you quoted indicates the context, take careful note that the interpreter has put a semi-colon; it's in reference to God being God of everyone, which is correct. In that sense, there is no distinction, the Gentiles were not created by a different God.

Prior to Christ, there was certainly a distinction, in fact circumcision was one of the covenants as a mark of a physical distinction between Jews and Gentiles. Hence the verse must be understood in context.

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Doesn't the doctrine of Predestination indicate that "God's people" are those whom He loved from the foundations of the Universe, for no other reason but that He called them to be His own people, and loved them for no reason other than He chose to love them? These are they whose names are written in The Lamb's Book of Life---- who ultimately choose to follow Christ, believe in the Lord Jesus, and accept His gift of Salvation.
 
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I see varieties of heresy but the ones I'm seeing the most on here are distinction between Jews and Gentiles when Scripture clearly says:

Rom. 10:12 For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, abounding in riches for all who call on Him;


Greek in Strong's exhaustive concordance is 1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

While Jew is:
2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Romans 10:12 would read:
12 For there is no distinction of Judaean and Greek; since the Prince Himself is of all riches to all those calling upon Him.
 
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Doesn't the doctrine of Predestination indicate that "God's people" are those whom He loved from the foundations of the Universe, for no other reason but that He called them to be His own people, and loved them for no reason other than He chose to love them? These are they whose names are written in The Lamb's Book of Life---- who ultimately choose to follow Christ, believe in the Lord Jesus, and accept His gift of Salvation.

Israel is God's people,Jesus came for his people Israel...
Romans 9:7:Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Romans 11:1-2:1I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. 2God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew. Wot ye not what the scripture saith of Elias? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel saying,


Why would God change his mind and now his people is ''everyone who believes?''


Malachi 3:6:For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

THAT IS CASTING IS PEOPLE AWAY!!!!(Romans 11:1-2)


It would contradict the whole chosen people if someone can Just believe and be saved!!!!


Hebrews 8:8-10:8For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah: 9Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day when I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt; because they continued not in my covenant, and I regarded them not, saith the Lord.
10For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:


The new covenant was not made with anyone who Just believes and is saved,it is made with Israel!!!




James 1:1:James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting.


James was writing to the twelve tribes....
 
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Doesn't the doctrine of Predestination indicate that "God's people" are those whom He loved from the foundations of the Universe, for no other reason but that He called them to be His own people, and loved them for no reason other than He chose to love them? These are they whose names are written in The Lamb's Book of Life---- who ultimately choose to follow Christ, believe in the Lord Jesus, and accept His gift of Salvation.

Which is also rejected by many. Whatever God does has reason associated with it, whether it's evident to us or not. So I think it's rather sketchy to claim that God does things for no reason.
 
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Thought these were interesting as they pertain to Jesus, showing him as Israel below as well.

This verse shows the child Jesus going into Egypt

Mat 2:14 When he arose, he took the young child and his mother by night, and departed into Egypt:

Prophecy of Israel as a child (now) called out of Egypt

Hosea 11:1 When Israel was a child, then I loved him, and called my son out of Egypt.

In Egypt (here) and now called out of Egypt (and into the land of Israel)

Mat 2:19 But when Herod was dead, behold, an angel of the Lord appeareth in a dream to Joseph in Egypt, Saying, Arise, and take the young child and his mother, and go into the land of Israel: for they are dead which sought the young child's life.

His predetermined counsel (according to the same) is noted here as well...

Acts 4:26 The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ. For of a truth against thy holy child Jesus, whom thou hast anointed, both Herod, and Pontius Pilate, with the Gentiles, and the people of Israel, were gathered together,

For to do whatsoever thy hand and thy counsel determined before to be done.

The people of Israel (mentioned above) as he was sent to the LOST sheep of the house of Israel, however he says, "ye believe NOT therefore ye are not my sheep" Whereas Paul says...

Romans 9:6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Romans 9:7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Further clarified...

Romans 9:8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Whereas Jesus says...

Luke 24:49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you

He received the promise of the Father...

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.


Further clarified (not to seeds, as of many, but to thy seed as of one, Christ)

Gal 3:16 Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.


In light of the above this is more clearly understood...

Gal 3:29 And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Children of the promise (Of the Spirit)

Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.


Ephes 2:11 Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the flesh, who are called Uncircumcisionby that which is called the Circumcision in the flesh made by hands;

Ephes 2:12 That at that time ye were without Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the covenants of promise, having no hope,and without God in the world:

Eohes 2:13 But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.



Heres I and the children the LORD has given me...


Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:


Sent unto the children of Israel


Act 10:36 The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching peace by Jesus Christ: (he is Lord of all)


And these (being for signs and for wonders in Israel) likewise says...


Isaiah 8:18 Behold, I and the children whom the LORD hath given me are for signs and for wonders in Israel from the LORD of hosts, which dwelleth in mount Zion.


Notice (in the above) the I and the children...so...


Acts 14:3 Long time therefore abode they speaking boldly in the Lord, which gave testimony unto the word of his grace, and granted signs and wonders to be done by their hands.


Again...

Heb 2:4 God also bearing them witness, both with signs and wonders, and with divers miracles, and gifts of the Holy Ghost, according to his own will?


Heb 2:13 And again, I will put my trust in him. And again,Behold I and the children which God hath given me.


Children which God hath GIVEN HIM, which is why Jesus says...


John 6:65 Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.


So as it says, "Behold, I and the children God hath given me" He prays for them (not the world) however he says ALSO...


John 17:20 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word;

After having heard and believed are sealed with the Spirit of promise

Ephes 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.

Ephes 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

And likewise...

Phil 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

Circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit

Romans 8:9 ...Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Not enough room, continued....
 
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Continued from above...

Now Jesus had said, IF ye believed Moses ye WOULD HAVE believed ME for he wrote of ME (and ofcourse he expounded unto his disciples the things concerning himself beginning at Moses (that God would raise up for them a prophet (like him) from among their brethren and He would put His words in His mouth etc. But they would not listen and He would be set for a sign that would be spoken against.


Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

And Moses words chime in, I will provoke you to jealousy by those not a people, and I will anger you by a foolish nation, and He works all things out according to the counsel of His will. And we can see the outworking of the same here

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.


Acts 13:45 But when the Jews **saw** the multitudes, they were filled with envy,and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

Again...

Romans 10:19 ... I will provoke you to jealousy by them that are no people, and by a foolish nation I will anger you.


1Peter 4:14 If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified.


Who works everything out in accord with the counsel of His own will


However if we return here (again) and rehiglight


Luke 2:34 And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;


Of the same fall, Paul speaks on here...


Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid:but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.


The fall of them (the jealousy prophesied) even as they saw the multitudes (even the gentiles) they were filled with envy (and as He would be the sign to be spoken against) and so they began contradicting and blaspheming (accordingly)


Romans 11:12 Now if the fall of them be the riches of the world, and the diminishing of them the riches of the Gentiles; how much more their fulness?


Romans 11:15 For if the casting away of them be the reconciling of the world, what shall the receiving of them be, but life from the dead?


Romans 11:30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:


Romans 11:31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.


Romans 11:32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.


Theres just a few scriptures I thought I'd add, for what they could be worth to the topic.
 
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Also, the scripture you quoted indicates the context, take careful note that the interpreter has put a semi-colon; it's in reference to God being God of everyone, which is correct. In that sense, there is no distinction, the Gentiles were not created by a different God.

Prior to Christ, there was certainly a distinction, in fact circumcision was one of the covenants as a mark of a physical distinction between Jews and Gentiles. Hence the verse must be understood in context.

Cheers.
How about this one then?

Acts 17:26-27 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Greek in Strong's exhaustive concordance is 1672. Hellen hel'-lane from 1671; a Hellen (Grecian) or inhabitant of Hellas; by extension a Greek-speaking person, especially a non-Jew:-- Gentile, Greek.

While Jew is:
2453. Ioudaios ee-oo-dah'-yos from 2448 (in the sense of 2455 as a country); Judaean, i.e. belonging to Jehudah:--Jew(-ess), of Judaea.

Romans 10:12 would read:
12 For there is no distinction of Judaean and Greek; since the Prince Himself is of all riches to all those calling upon Him.
Zech. 2:11 “ Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.

As a matter of fact, in the OT days, although Israel didn't assimilate their neighbors, it was granted to Gentiles to convert (i.e. Egyptians proselytes in the Exodus). Of course, it was conditional in those days as Aces High noted. You had to be circumcised.

But now it's unconditional (Acts 17:30, Acts 26:18)

Why would God change his mind and now his people is ''everyone who believes?''


Malachi 3:6:For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.

THAT IS CASTING IS PEOPLE AWAY!!!!(Romans 11:1-2)
God can (Job 34:14-15) and does (2 Kings 20:1-6) change His mind.

No, that's talking about His promises in relation to Israel. God does change in relation to Gentiles (Jonah 3:10).
 
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How about this one then?

Acts 17:26-27 and He made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined their appointed times and the boundaries of their habitation, that they would seek God, if perhaps they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, ‘For we also are His children.’ Being then the children of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, an image formed by the art and thought of man. Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent,

Zech. 2:11 “ Many nations will join themselves to the LORD in that day and will become My people. Then I will dwell in your midst, and you will know that the LORD of hosts has sent Me to you.

As a matter of fact, in the OT days, although Israel didn't assimilate their neighbors, it was granted to Gentiles to convert (i.e. Egyptians proselytes in the Exodus). Of course, it was conditional in those days as Aces High noted. You had to be circumcised.

But now it's unconditional (Acts 17:30, Acts 26:18)

God can (Job 34:14-15) and does (2 Kings 20:1-6) change His mind.

No, that's talking about His promises in relation to Israel. God does change in relation to Gentiles (Jonah 3:10).


Wherever you see the word Gentile in the Bible, remember the correct word is nation, race or people. Sometimes it is used when speaking of Israel nations or the Israelite race

The people of Jesus are Israel - - if it is the world it destroys the whole point of having a chosen people,James was writing to the twelve tribes scattered abroad,so the people are the twelve tribes.
Why are the Apostles going to be ''judging the twelve tribes of Israel'' only and not the world?????

You have to read the context of gentile and nation to see how it would connect.

In Zech. 2:11:And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.

Look at the context,nations means:1471 gowy go'-ee rarely (shortened) goy {go'-ee}; apparently from the same root as 1465 (in the sense of massing); a foreign nation; hence, a Gentile; also (figuratively) a troop of animals, or a flight of locusts:--Gentile, heathen, nation, people.

If it read ''
And many ''people'' shall be joined to the LORD in that day

It is the context and still implies ''Israel'' - -That is how Israel can also be gentiles and nations!


Regarding Acts 17:26-27, the word ''blood'' was never used in the Bible to convey the idea of one who is a relative or biologically related.Instead it uses the words ''bone and flesh'' to convey the idea of biological relations as in the following verses:

Genesis 2:23:And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.

Genesis 29:14:And Laban said to him, Surely thou art my bone and my flesh. And he abode with him the space of a month.

2 Samuel 5:1:Then came all the tribes of Israel to David unto Hebron, and spake, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.

1 Chronicles 11:1:Then all Israel gathered themselves to David unto Hebron, saying, Behold, we are thy bone and thy flesh.

2 Samuel 19:12:Ye are my brethren, ye are my bones and my flesh: wherefore then are ye the last to bring back the king?

Ephesians 5:30:For we are members of his body, of his flesh, and of his bones.

Now in modern day language those speaking in these verses might have said, ''you are of my blood.'' But that meaning did not exist in biblical times so they used the words ''bone and flesh.'' If Paul had said in Acts 17 that
God has made all men of one bone and flesh,the egalitarians might have an argument.But as it is with the word blood they have no argument.

Since we are not talking about genetics in Acts 17:26, we could say that all people do have the same or one blood.
That is,once we understand biblically,blood means the essence of life.

Ecc 3:18-20:18I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts. 19For that which befalleth the sons of men befalleth beasts; even one thing befalleth them: as the one dieth, so dieth the other; yea, they have all one breath; so that a man hath no preeminence above a beast: for all is vanity.
20All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.



Here the Bible says that man and animal both have ''one breath.'' and that they both are made out of one and the same ''dust.''

Does that mean we are related to animals?

Now what did Paul mean in that verse(Acts 17)?

Acts 17:22-27:22Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious. 23For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
24God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;
25Neither is worshipped with men's hands, as though he needed any thing, seeing he giveth to all life, and breath, and all things;
26And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;
27That they should seek the Lord, if haply they might feel after him, and find him, though he be not far from every one of us:


Paul was speaking to the men of Athens.These people had a lot of pride and ego regarding their culture and nation.They considered their culture to be the best,that they had the best religion and idols,the best academics,etc.
Paul thus addresses these problems of conceit,as one Bible commentator says:


The Apostle rebukes the narrow pride of the Greeks,who divided mankind into Greeks and barbarians,the latter being of no account


- J.R. Dummelow,A commentary on the Holy Bibl p 842


According to a Greek,you were either a Greek or a no count barbarian.Thus the two main issues of contention Paul has with the men of Athens are their idolatry and their conceited view of their nation.Paul was telling them that there is one God who made all things,including all nations!
The word ''nations'' is a key word here.Everyone reads Acts 17:26 as though it says, God had made of one blood all men.The book one blood quotes it as, ''God had made all men of one blood.'' But that is not what it says!


- Ham,Wieland,Batten,One blood p 122


It says God has made of one blood all nations of men.
The issue is nations which consist of men.God made or established all nations,including Greece.This fact would tend to deflate the conceited view of the Greeks.So the issue is nations not individual men.Most have failed to see this because they have been conditioned by the erroneous interpretation of this verse and develop a mental block and unable to read it correctly.


Once we understand that the issue is nations we can see that the word blood does not fit in the verse very well.The better reading is this ----God made from one every nation of men.Also,the word from is more appropriate here than is the word of.So it actually read's from one.
But what is the ONE in this verse?
Looking again at the context and Bible as a whole,many authorities have said that the one in this verse could be Adam.


It would seem that the ONE in Acts 17:26g is a reference to Adam,or the dust of the ground.But remember,it would not read,God has made of Adam all men.Rather it would be saying, God has made from Adam all nations.
Paul then is stating biblical history.This verse is cross referenced to Deut 32:8 which reads:


When the Most High divided to the nations their inheritance, when he separated the sons of Adam, he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

When the most high divided to the nations their inheritance,when he separated the sons of Adam,he set the bounds of the people according to the number of the children of Israel.

We can see the similarity of Acts 17:26 with this verse.Both talk about God dividing the nations within their own boundaries.
 
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Jesus's earthly ministry was to Israel. His death was for everyone.

Where does it state ''is death was for everyone''
That would contradict his ministry on earth to Israel,why would he have needed to preach to Israel?
And why are the Apostles only Judging the twelve tribes and not the world?(Matthew 19:28)
If indeed Jesus' death was for the world then the Apostles would be judging the world,not Just the twelve tribes of Israel?

Luke 1:16:And many of the children of Israel shall he turn to the Lord their God.

Luke 1: 55:As he spake to our fathers, to Abraham, and to his seed for ever.

Luke 1:68-69:68Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, 69And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;


Luke 1:77:To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

Luke 2: 34:And Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be spoken against;

John 1:31:And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

Matthew 1:21:And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins.

Acts 5:30:The God of our fathers raised up Jesus, whom ye slew and hanged on a tree.

Romans 9:10-11:10And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac; 11(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

Matthew 15:24:But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


Matthew 13:11:He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Matthew 10:6:But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


How do any of those verses imply universal salvation?
Why would it be universal if Jesus told his Apostles to go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel? - - Why did he not Just say ''go to anyone'' if everyone was going to be saved???????
 
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Just one of many, off the top of my head, Romans 3:21-26


Galatians 4:4-6:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


''To redeem them that were under the law'' --who was under the law,Israel?

Galatians 4:4-6 contradicts Romans 3:21-26 and supports that only Israel was redeemed since the world was not under the law only Israel.

Galatians 3:28:There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

All Israelites, whether Judean or Greek speaking, whether male or female, or whether slaves or
masters, are accepted.
 
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christian1488: Sorry, I have no clue what you are trying to say. I guess it is my own ignorance.


Galatians 4:4-6:4But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, 5To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
6And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.



''To redeem them that were under the law'' --who was under the law,Israel?

Was the ''world'' under the law or Israel?

Jesus' people were Israel.....

Jesus did not redeem the world as the world was not under the law only Israel!!!!!
 
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John 3:16:For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Contradicts

James 4:3-4:
3Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.


1 John 2:15:Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

John 15:19:If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

1 John 3:1:Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

Besides,We don't chose God,God chooses us,that is why there is an IsraelRomans 9:11:(For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)

John 13:18:I speak not of you all: I know whom I have chosen: but that the scripture may be fulfilled, He that eateth bread with me hath lifted up his heel against me.

Matthew 22:14:For many are called, but few are chosen.

Israel is the chosen people,we can't Just say we believe in Jesus,because it's Jesus who chooses us!

How are Jesus' people the world or so and such when he chooses us and was sent to Israel?
 
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