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Matt 1:21 He Shall save His People

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Who was John the baptist sent to?

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24
John had a universal message that involved jew and gentile Jn 1:29

29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

And hes speaking about the same people that the Angel was speaking of in Matt 1:21
 
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Who was John the baptist sent to?

after John had proclaimed before His coming a baptism of repentance to all the people of Israel.
— Acts 13:24

Even the father of John the Baptist was clear that the role of his son is for Israel, in Luke 1, and he was speaking under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit.

67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.

76 And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways;

77 To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins,

78 Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us,

79 To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
 
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So whose sins to be taken away by Christ the lamb of God, in Jn 1:29, whose sins are meant by the word world ?
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

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So whose sins to be taken away by Christ the lamb of God, in Jn 1:29, whose sins are meant by the word world ?
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

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John proclaiming Jesus is the sin-bearer of the world, won't change that John's mission was baptizing for repentance the people of Israel for forgiveness of sins, the Jews, not the Gentiles. Didn't any Gentile come to him? I'm sure some did, but even Jesus saved Gentiles, but it wasn't to them he first came.
 
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So whose sins to be taken away by Christ the lamb of God, in Jn 1:29, whose sins are meant by the word world ?
29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

Read ful

Yes, Jesus will take away the sins of everyone in the world, but gentiles are to come to the same forgiveness thru the rise of the nation Israel.

The gospel of the kingdom was based on Israel being saved first thru acknowledging Jesus as their promised Son of God and King, aka 2 Samuel 7:12-15

Once Jesus sets up the kingdom from Israel, all Jews are to be priests to bring the light of salvation to the gentiles. Zechariah 8 is an excellent description of that timetable, especially the final verse.
 
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A sure Promise to save His People !

He shall save His People from their Sins, so says the Promise Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

I ask again, who are His People ? It certainly is not the ethnic jews as many deceived souls would tell us, but it is all those that He bought with a price, and redeemed by His Blood from all iniquity as Per Titus 2:14

14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of good works.

The word redeem here is the greek word lytroō and means:


to release on receipt of ransom

2) to redeem, liberate by payment of ransom

a) to liberate

b) to cause to be released to one's self by payment of a ransom

c) to redeem

d) to deliver: from evils of every kind, internal and external

His People by Redemption 1 Cor 6:20

20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

His People is His Church Acts 20:28

Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.

The word purchase here is word peripoieō and means:


to make to remain over

2) to reserve, to leave or keep safe, lay by

3) to make to remain for one's self

4) to preserve for one's self

5) to get for one's self, purchase


Now if anyone cannot see these as being Christ's people he came to save of Matt 1:21 it is because they are blinded.
 
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John proclaiming Jesus is the sin-bearer of the world, won't change that John's mission was baptizing for repentance the people of Israel for forgiveness of sins, the Jews, not the Gentiles. Didn't any Gentile come to him? I'm sure some did, but even Jesus saved Gentiles, but it wasn't to them he first came.
If Christ bore the sins away of the world, that took away their sins and gave them forgiveness of sins. Also they were included in His People.
 
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Yes, Jesus will take away the sins of everyone in the world, but gentiles are to come to the same forgiveness thru the rise of the nation Israel.

The gospel of the kingdom was based on Israel being saved first thru acknowledging Jesus as their promised Son of God and King, aka 2 Samuel 7:12-15

Once Jesus sets up the kingdom from Israel, all Jews are to be priests to bring the light of salvation to the gentiles. Zechariah 8 is an excellent description of that timetable, especially the final verse.
False, Gentiles are forgiven by the blood of Christ !
 
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If Christ bore the sins away of the world, that took away their sins and gave them forgiveness of sins. Also they were included in His People.

All I'm saying is that "God's people" can refer to the people of Israel, like it does all the time in the OT, or born again believers like it often does in the letters. If you want to hold on to that "His people" in Matthew 1:21 are the born again believers, Jew or Gentile, fine! I have given my reasons why I disagree with that understanding. At the moment I have nothing more to add.

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False, Gentiles are forgiven by the blood of Christ !

I never said otherwise. I am stating the order of which salvation were to come to gentiles, under the prophetic program.

Do you understand the timeline stated in Zechariah 8, and when that last verse will happen?
 
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False, Gentiles are forgiven by the blood of Christ !

My guess is that you also interpret 2 Chronicles 7:14 wrongly as everyone of us, Jews and gentiles?

14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

Can you just take this verse as a promise to all of us gentiles as well?
 
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Much has been said as to who are the His People of Matt 1:21

21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

The reason why this is so important to know is because this is a sure promise of Salvation to a certain People, not based upon any conditions from them, but a Salvation based on a sure word of prophecy from the Word of God 2 Pet 1:19

We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts:

And that is what Matt 1:21 is all about, its a sure word of Prophecy of what Christ shall do unto a certain People, His People !

A scripture to help us understand who are " His People " Lets look at Ps 2:7-8

7 I will declare the decree: the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.


Now His Inheritance is His Possession.

Thats His People, the Inheritance His Father gives Him for His Redemptive Work, and we see from this scripture that it includes some gentiles, for out of them also God had a People for His Names Sake Acts 15:14

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

And these all He shall save from their sins, for they are His Inheritance, Mic 7:18

18 Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

This word heritage is the same word inheritance here Ps 2:8

8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

The Heritage of Micah 7:18 and the Inheritance of Ps 2:8 are the same ! These are all of the His People it was prophesied He shall save from their sins !
 
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Thats His People, the Inheritance His Father gives Him for His Redemptive Work, and we see from this scripture that it includes some gentiles, for out of them also God had a People for His Names Sake Acts 15:14

14 Simeon hath declared how God at the first did visit the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

Yes, but that's another Simeon.

Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
— Acts 13:1
 
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Yes, but that's another Simeon.

Now there were at Antioch, in the church that was there, prophets and teachers: Barnabas, and Simeon who was called Niger, and Lucius of Cyrene, and Manaen who had been brought up with Herod the tetrarch, and Saul.
— Acts 13:1
Doesnt matter which one it was, just believe the truth testified to.
 
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More on His People !

His People are all those Sanctified by the Father and preserved in Jesus Christ Jude 1:1

1 Jude, the servant of Jesus Christ, and brother of James, to them that are sanctified by God the Father, and preserved in Jesus Christ, and called:

Those are also the all the Father gave Him Jn 17:2

2 As thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him.

The word for give in the greek is didomi and means:

to give one to someone as his own , So all those given to Him by the Father are His People given to Him !

They were first and foremost given to Him in Eternal Election ! Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
 
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Those who are the people that Christ SHALL save from their sins as promised here in Matt 1:21, they are the same of which Paul wrote in Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

That is those He gave Himself for or in behalf of Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

So no doubt those He gave Himself for in Gal 1:4 and the Church He gave Himself for in Eph 5:25 are the exact same ones.

Now the Gal 1:4 verse tells us the Purpose why He gave Himself for the Church, it in order to deliver it [or the us] from this present evil world, just another way of saying, to save us from our sins !

And that word deliver is the greek word exaireō and means:

to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out

2) to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

3) to rescue, deliver

So the word has the meaning of being chosen or selected for this rescuing.

In fact it is part of the same word used in 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

God proposed that this giving of Himself would be for their deliverance, according to His Will or the Will of God !

Now the giving of Himself did accomplish the Fathers Purpose or Will, and to deny it is simply Anti Christ ! If one person whom the Father wanted to be delivered is not by the work of Christ giving of Himself, then God's intention was thwarted !
 
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Those who are the people that Christ SHALL save from their sins as promised here in Matt 1:21, they are the same of which Paul wrote in Gal 1:4

4 Who gave himself for our sins, that he might deliver us from this present evil world, according to the will of God and our Father:

That is those He gave Himself for or in behalf of Eph 5:25

25 Husbands, love your wives, even as Christ also loved the church, and gave himself for it;

So no doubt those He gave Himself for in Gal 1:4 and the Church He gave Himself for in Eph 5:25 are the exact same ones.

Now the Gal 1:4 verse tells us the Purpose why He gave Himself for the Church, it in order to deliver it [or the us] from this present evil world, just another way of saying, to save us from our sins !

And that word deliver is the greek word exaireō and means:

to pluck out, draw out, i.e. root out

2) to choose out (for one's self), select, one person from many

3) to rescue, deliver

So the word has the meaning of being chosen or selected for this rescuing.

In fact it is part of the same word used in 2 Thess 2:13

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth:

God proposed that this giving of Himself would be for their deliverance, according to His Will or the Will of God !

Now the giving of Himself did accomplish the Fathers Purpose or Will, and to deny it is simply Anti Christ ! If one person whom the Father wanted to be delivered is not by the work of Christ giving of Himself, then God's intention was thwarted !

So was Jesus joking with the gentile lady when he told her Matthew 15:24?

Similarly, did Jesus meant what he said to the 12, when he instructed them not to go to the gentiles in Matthew 10:5?
 
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So was Jesus joking with the gentile lady when he told her Matthew 15:24?

Similarly, did Jesus meant what he said to the 12, when he instructed them not to go to the gentiles in Matthew 10:5?
You didnt pay attention to the post comments did you ?
 
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