Mathematical accuracy of the Bible, why Genesis is more than a little believable!

trophy33 · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
Yeah, that's true...we got to go back, closer to the source.

We cannot, the oldest version of the OT we have is Septuagint and its already a translation.

And even if we would find 6000 years old Hebrew text, we would still have the same problem with ambiguity, because they were not advanced and so could not descripe advanced realities properly, only to compare it to something primitive they knew (a ladder, a dust, a tree, a serpent), for example.

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

myst33 said:
And...? We still have a "thunder bird" type of description.

I don't know...in Greek?

trophy33 · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
So, why not take it to the Greek for better understanding?

How?

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
I don't know...in Greek?

Maybe computer code is the most advanced language...what is "ladder" in code?

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

myst33 said:
How?

I don't know, but you said it's higher up on the evolutionary ladder...no?

trophy33 · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
Maybe computer code is the most advanced language...what is "ladder" in code?

We do not know what the ladder was, so how can we express it better now? We just have the ladder word and no other info.

If you would have just a "thunder bird" term, you could not make "a Russian space shuttle heading to ISS" from it, because these specifics are already lost. You would need to witness it again to describe it better.

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

"And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven:and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."
Genesis 28:10-17 - Interlinear Bible Search

trophy33 · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
12 And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven:and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it."
Genesis 28:10-17 - Interlinear Bible Search

BTW, did Jacob believe in a Flat Earth with heaven above it?

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

Cullam (ladder)

ללם

Lamed Lamed Mem

From Calal:

to lift up, cast up, exalt

(Qal)
1. to cast up a highway
2. to cast up a way
3. to lift up (of song)
(Pilpel) to exalt, esteem highly, prize
(Hithpoel) to exalt oneself

Cullam - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - King James Version

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

Tone said:
Cullam (ladder)

ללם

Lamed Lamed Mem

From Calal:

to lift up, cast up, exalt

(Qal)

to cast up a highway

to cast up a way

to lift up (of song)

(Pilpel) to exalt, esteem highly, prize

(Hithpoel) to exalt oneself

Cullam - Old Testament Hebrew Lexicon - King James Version

That is very difficult to pull up on a phone. Just that little bit though, leads me to believe that it wasn't some material technology being spoken of, but a spiritual connection obtained through spiritual means.

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

One more thing though. Let's say Adam and Eve saw a modern day airplane flying over the garden, and they said "look, it's a bird!", In essence, they would be completely correct. The airplane is patterned after a bird...everything man makes is patterned after what he first saw in creation and what is made comes out of the ground, just like us. So, they would know how to accurately describe everything you've ever seen, because it would be compared to what is already in existence.

paul1149 · Apr 20, 2019

What's the rationale for using the Log(e) of the Sun-Earth-Moon diameter data? Even so, the three points don't line up very well. The straight line they draw skirts note one, but two, of the three data points. But if Log(10) produced a better result, perhaps that would have been used?

The movie is painfully slow-paced and is overwrought. I would have liked to be able to share it, but that's as far as I watched.

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

myst33 said:
BTW, did Jacob believe in a Flat Earth with heaven above it?

I don't know, but as Biggie said , "It was all a dream...".

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

myst33 said:
they were not advanced and so could not descripe advanced realities properly, only to compare it to something primitive they knew (a ladder, a dust, a tree, a serpent), for example.

Do you think that an airplane is more advanced than a bird?

Do you believe that there are other beings besides birds and insects that fly without the aid of man-made technology?

Tone · Apr 20, 2019

paul1149 said:
What's the rationale for using the Log(e) of the Sun-Earth-Moon diameter data? Even so, the three points don't line up very well. The straight line they draw skirts note one, but two, of the three data points. But if Log(10) produced a better result, perhaps that would have been used?

The movie is painfully slow-paced and is overwrought. I would have liked to be able to share it, but that's as far as I watched.

Yeah, but it still is a straight line within (99.)something percent accuracy. And he further qualifies it by saying that it would be 100%, "if the relationship was purely mathematical, namely, not based on empirical observations, we would have obtained a correlation of -1.0000!".

Bruce Leiter · Apr 20, 2019

Gottservant said:
Hi there!

This video will test your godliness (your patience) but it is an astounding and not to be missed documentary of the truth of the words of the Bible.

It will literally blow your mind (for approx 1 hr)!

If the words of the Bible are that accurate, who can doubt God is behind something in this life - let alone being behind almost everything in this life?!

Why do you have to have the Bible mathematically accurate? It is preaching history, not a scientific or math textbook. Moses writes the true history of Genesis to combat the false gods of the nations that Israel will encounter in their travels and the promised land.

That's why he emphasizes the oneness of God with a plural word (Elohim). Start with the givens of the Bible and its principles and judge the scientific and mathematical discoveries and theories in the light of the Bible's (God's) ideas, not the other way around.

The Barbarian · Apr 24, 2019

Given that the Bible says Pi is equal to 3, doesn't sound very accurate to me.

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