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Zebra1552
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I stand by what I posted. I'm sure neither of you will disagree with it, or I'd hope not. But condemning masturbation when it is not condemned in the Bible does count as a religious rut.
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Aren't you guys debating the nature of masturbation itself? Whether or not it always requires a specific person to fantasize about? We've been over that ground pages ago in this thread, starting page 5.
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The verse in Matthew you're referring to is about looking at a specific woman with the specific intention of committing adultery in one's mind. There were pages of discussion about that earlier with some very good references from the greek, comparing different translations of the Bible.
As always, the word that seems to be tripping things up is "lust", which in the Greek is a completely innocuous word with no evil intentions associated with it. It simply means to want something badly, whether good or bad.
As always, the word that seems to be tripping things up is "lust", which in the Greek is a completely innocuous word with no evil intentions associated with it. It simply means to want something badly, whether good or bad.
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David, your best decision would be to stop arguing with these guys. They believe that lust is only a sin if you are purposing in your mind to commit physical adultery. They don't believe that the lust talked about in Matthew means to guard your mind.
You either disagree with them, and you can leave this thread, or you will be won over to their side. Be wary.
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You are the one who has got it wrong. That verse is probably one of the most misunderstood ones in the NT. That verse, properly understood, requires an actual intent given opportunity. It has nothing at all to do with general sexual fantasy constituting lustful thoughts.
Not only that but the use of the word 'adultery' clearly confines its application to a married relationship, and in the context of the issues Jesus was teaching about in that whole section known as the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus was referring to a common practice amongst one of the Pharisaical schools at the time, who sanctioned very easy divorce.
The most common teaching on that verse reflects just how 'demonised' human sexuality has become within some Christian circles. Unfortunately that causes a lot of unnecessary angst by far too many Christians as they struggle with their developed sexuality.
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