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Here is what another wrote in the Christian forum and it apply to you as well

Here's what Jesus said in the Gospel of Matthew:

Matthew 5:27-30

27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery;’ 28 but I tell you that everyone who gazes at a woman to lust after her has committed adultery with her already in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to stumble, pluck it out and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one ofyour members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna. 30 If your right hand causes you to stumble, cut it off, and throw it away from you. For it is more profitable for you that one ofyour members should perish, than for your whole body to be cast into Gehenna.

I will leave you to discern the meaning for yourself

I know I'm jumping in at the end here, but why the assumption that to touch is to think of another than one's mate. My man is so good in bed I think of none other than him when satisfying myself, and the fact that we each satisfy ourselves when apart does not at all dull the explosion of pleasure when we're together again.
 
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:thumbsup:

However, people who do it instead of getting married, really get to me.

Is it just me or does it seem wrong to marry someone just for sex?

Anyway, why are you so concerned about other peoples sex lives?

And before you say you aren't, remember.. they "really get to" you.
 
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But then the God of the Atheist world is oneself so the mistreatment of others is something to be sophisticatedly ignored rather than regarded as a reason to stop doing something.

The bible condones slavery... what were you saying again about ignoring the mistreatment of others?
 
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your thought of murder is murder( YES) Jesus states that!!!!!!!!!!!

That's nice. It's also silly.

Just thinking about something isn't doing it, so no... thinking about murder isn't murder. Actually commiting murder is murder... thinking about it is wishful thining.

And completely harmless.
 
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The bible condones slavery... what were you saying again about ignoring the mistreatment of others?
In the NT, it also admonishes everyone to love. Part of loving, last I checked, was not mistreating them.
Just thinking about something isn't doing it, so no... thinking about murder isn't murder. Actually commiting murder is murder... thinking about it is wishful thining.

And completely harmless.
Right. Getting angry with people is harmless? Nursing a grudge is harmless? Wanting to kill somone is harmless? Nevermind that, what is being referred to is Matthew 5:21-22.
 
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Why on earth???? Nevermind. I really don't want to know.

Because for some people, masturbation is more than a sex substitute. Many women (and some men) can't climax from their partners' attentions, which makes masturbation quite a useful thing, and even if you are able to share [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] with your partner, masturbation is for lots of people a more complicated business than just tiding yourself over until you can have sex again. It is an important part of feeling desirable, loving and respecting yourself and your body, and learning about your own sexual response.
 
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Masturbation is a pretty sad and sordid thing to do whether you are a Christian or not. That's why the term 'mental masturbation' is used which such derision even in the secular media. It is a selfish acts which relies on the exploitation of images, real or fake, for temporal self-stimulation.

Are all selfish acts bad? Is eating food you like or listening to music wrong if it makes you a happier and more well-rounded person? Surely unless you're harming someone else, it's okay to be a little bit selfish now and again, especially if it makes you a nicer person to be around. There is nothing wrong with enjoying your body, and there is nothing sad or sordid about masturbating. I often think a lot of people on this forum would be much more laid back and pleasant to be around if they played with themselves once in a while.. ;)

That brings me onto pornography, the industry that is only a few shades better than the prostitution industry (I can back that point up if you want). But then the God of the Atheist world is oneself so the mistreatment of others is something to be sophisticatedly ignored rather than regarded as a reason to stop doing something.

Um, not everyone who masturbates uses pornography. Plenty of people who touch find pornography and the porn industry abhorrent. Personally, I dislike most pornography because of the way the participants are portrayed and treated, and the lack of imagination or artistic value displayed. There is, however, some pornography which is made with a genuine desire to create something thoughtful, stimulating and beautiful, as well as arousing, without degrading or exploiting any of the people who participate in its production. It is rare to find pornography like this, but it does exist. You may as well condemn a whole genre of music or literature on the basis of the lacklustre mainstream majority.

Alternatives include erotic writing, non-pornographic photography and art, long-distance communication via phone, instant messaging or however else, and of course (heaven forbid) the sheer, solo brilliance of the human imagination.

So firstly, you're wrong if you think that everyone who masturbates uses pornography. Secondly, this notion that atheists care less about other people's misfortune than anyone else is utter, misinformed baloney. I think that condemning masturbation is a very effective way of causing unnecessary suffering to people by making them feel guilty and ashamed of something which is quite natural, often beneficial, and frankly, hardly worth getting so upset about. And I can't begin to speculate about whom you think could possibly be harmed by a work of such literary elegance as, for example, Anaïs Nin's Delta of Venus. What could be more liberating and reassuring than Nancy Friday's thought-provoking catalogues of women's sexual fantasies, including My Secret Garden and Women on Top? Telling young people (or any people, for that matter) that the desire to touch themselves should be shunned and suppressed is unnecessary, harmful and a waste of time and resources. Far worse behaviour, in my opinion, than occasionally enjoying a quiet night in with Henry Miller and a Rampant Rabbit.
 
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I think masturbation is lonely and kind of cheap. There's nothing wrong with it on a moral, level, however. Chuck the Bible and don't worry what it says-- what does your heart say?

Do you mind explaining why you think it's lonely and cheap? I'm just wondering. I don't see how it's lonely at all.
 
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The thought of the act is the problem. You act the sexual deed out in your head is the same as doing it. So if you are having sex with all kinds of different people. Well you Know where I'm going with it ,so chop me now.As Jesus said you make your selves appear clean. You clean the cup on the outside ,but the cup is still dirty on the inside.
So, if I think about something, it is the same as doing it?

That's an excellent way to discourage thinking.
 
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Sorry to be so late to the party. To answer the intial question:

now, being a young liberal, I will possibly get my lunch handed to me by the older conservatives on here
Ah grasshopper - you presume much about conservatives without knowledge. Best to do more observing and less assuming.

I would like to see one single passage addressing masturbation as a sin.
There is none.

i find it quite humurous even that people think God will send one to hell for pleasing themselves. What if a moral person who upholds the commandments and worships and prays frequently mastubates every few weeks? What is that hurting anything? I see no reason why God would care about it. God's Prophets speak out directly on matters such as premarital sex, cheating, ect. but are oddly silent on mastubation.
So if they are, then how is it a sin?
Well, rant aside, the issue isn't really whether it hurts someone but whether it goes against God's design. I don't think masturbation inherently violates God's design for sexuality although I think it can if abused. Of course, being one of them older conservatives, I would put caveats and guidelines in place reagarding masturbation that many of our less God believing friends would think are "silly". But inherently a sin - certainly not.
 
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