masturbation!!!

[hotwaiter]

sometimes more so i've found...

-aaron-

 

[Chrysalis Kat]

sometimes more so i've found...

-aaron-

Is that because you're a really Hot Waiter?

 

[DrFate]

Aquinas calls masturbation a mortal sin, though largely by means of aristolean biology which has since been proven false (i.e. the belief that the man contributes the entire person in his sperm and that the woman is just a vessel for the seed, thus the sperm would essentially be a person and masturbation would then be akin to murder.) It is an interesting question to ask whether it would be a mortal sin given our current understanding of biology. But in any case Aquinas argues that the act is contrary to the nature of sexual intercourse, which is to produce life and in masturbation life is never produced, and this reasoning is still valid. So it would seem that given a virtue based morality system and a christian perspective masturbation would still be a sin, if only venial.

Aquinas did not rise from the dead. Aquinas is not God. Aquinas did not die on the Cross. Aquinas is just a guy who could communicate the crud his church corporation wanted to communicate at the time.

Aquinas worked for a corporation that encourages sexual perversions (celibacy is a perversion) and that has a documented history of protecting Child Molesters. Such a corporation is not qualified to teach morality to normal people, NAMBLA maybe, but not normal people.

There is no good reason to bother with the opinions of Aquinas or his corporation

 

[DrFate]

how many men can claim that they have never looked at a woman lustfully? that means all men r guilty of this sin.

[bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]

Married women, Yahsuah said Married women ,as in you are committing adultery with her when you fantasize about having sex with a woman and she is married to someone else.
There is a big difference.
If men did not look on women with lust the species would have died out.
Religion is often Goofy, but not that Goofy.

MANY of the ECF had real problems with human sexuality.

 

[DrFate]

"The way I see it a 15 yr old boy is going to have these urges because thats how their bodies are programmed to work. It's not lust attacking, it's nature (and hormones) at work...God's plan if you will."

i agree that the continuation of life and the natural instincts that are programmed into our genes are part of god's plan. but i also believe that something that separates humans from beasts is the ability to resist instinct. men do not have hormones just at the age of 15. in fact, the feelings are even stronger for some men over the age of 30. if all of us acted according to urges, what would become of society. we have urges daily. the urge to cheat, the urge to steal, the urge to fight. if we became like animals and did whatever our body told us to do, we would be a society of disorder, blood, and turmoil. that is why bible speaks against doing all of these things which are part of human instinct. it's not the individual acts that are destructive to our souls, that i agree with. but being under the power of lust is destructive. masturbation inevitably leads to lust. i believe that the bible is never wrong and the bible specifically speaks against lust. so therefore, the must be something about lust that is detremental

if you want to argue from a biological view, how does masturbation increase likelyhood of reproduction and how does it help the human body at all?

If the 15 yo male could afford to have the wives he wants he would not have time or the inclination for masturbation.
other than that
If one uses masturbation to create the first [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in a sexual encounter the second [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] is more likely to result in fertilization of the female.

 

[aragorn]

I reckon you should have a poll,

how many men here have gone as long as forty days without having an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? I haven't done it since I reached puberty.

After ten days I'm walking aorund with an erection most of the time.

Having said that I reckon it's quite likely that if you can overpower your flesh by strength of will, it probably does increase your spiritual power.
But what do I know, I'#ve never done it.

If there was nothing wrong with masturbation, then jerkoff/wanker wouldn't be an insult.

But me, I reckon it's not what you do, it's how you do it.

 

[Chajara]

Aquinas did not rise from the dead. Aquinas is not God. Aquinas did not die on the Cross. Aquinas is just a guy who could communicate the crud his church corporation wanted to communicate at the time.

Aquinas worked for a corporation that encourages sexual perversions (celibacy is a perversion) and that has a documented history of protecting Child Molesters. Such a corporation is not qualified to teach morality to normal people, NAMBLA maybe, but not normal people.

There is no good reason to bother with the opinions of Aquinas or his corporation

I know nothing of this Aquinas dude... I'm just going on what you're saying here. Aren't these statements all your opinions? Furthermore, not everyone believes in God. Many do, many don't.

 

[DrFate]

Please site the verse where Yahsuah says thinking lustfull thoughts at all is a sin?

touching yourself is dull enough at it is, but what you describe " if done with a straight calm face with not a single trace of lusting after any particular op sex memeber in the process, kind of machine like, " is dehumanizing, and accordingly would be a sin because it attempts to remove the human from his humanness.

 

[DrFate]

You are 20 years old txArchxAngelxtx In biblical times you would already be married to one or two women, have children, and be busy doing the things necessary to make more children. You would not be likely to give much thought to masturbation. But you live in a diabolical century

 

[DrFate]

I know nothing of this Aquinas dude...

Thomas Aquinas (1225-1274) lived at a critical juncture of western culture when the arrival of the Aristotelian corpus in Latin translation reopened the question of the relation between faith and reason, calling into question the modus vivendi that had obtained for centuries. This crisis flared up just as universities were being founded. Thomas, after early studies at Montecassino, moved on to the University of Naples, where he met members of the new Dominican Order. It was at Naples too that Thomas had his first extended contact with the new learning. When he joined the Dominican Order he went north to study with Albertus Magnus, author of a paraphrase of the Aristotelian corpus. Thomas completed his studies at the University of Paris, which had been formed out of the monastic schools on the Left Bank and the cathedral school at Notre Dame. In two stints as a regent master Thomas defended the mendicant orders and, of greater historical importance, countered both the Averroistic interpretations of Aristotle and the Franciscan tendency to reject Greek philosophy. The result was a new modus vivendi between faith and philosophy which survived until the rise of the new physics. Thomas's theological writings became regulative of the Catholic Church and his close textual commentaries on Aristotle represent a cultural resource which is now receiving increased recognition.
---From an online encyclopedia
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Further answers to your post.

Yes, it is my opinion that a corporation that fosters immorality is not fit to teach morality.

That the particular corporation has a history of a course of conduct that reveals policies that encourage immorality is historical and legal fact.

Archangle was refering to sin in relationship to his concept of God.

 

[comana]

I recall no passage in the Bible the condemns the act of masturbation. In order to make it a sin one must "read into" the Bible a bit.


Besides, the anatomical design of reproductive organs makes self pleasuring very accessable. If this were such a bad thing god could have rearranged things a bit making [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] only possible through intercourse.


As far as masturbation leading to an increased sex drive, well I don't see how this could be a bad thing anyway.

 

[DrFate]

Ah but you, supermama, are probably NOT an antisex pervert.

 

[DrFate]

I reckon you should have a poll,

how many men here have gone as long as forty days without having an [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse]? I haven't done it since I reached puberty.

After ten days I'm walking aorund with an erection most of the time.

Having said that I reckon it's quite likely that if you can overpower your flesh by strength of will, it probably does increase your spiritual power.
But what do I know, I'#ve never done it.

If there was nothing wrong with masturbation, then jerkoff/wanker wouldn't be an insult.

But me, I reckon it's not what you do, it's how you do it.

After 45 years of living on the North American Indudstrial society diet, I would not be surprised if many men did not [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] for 40 days at a time or longer, further, I would not be suprised if many men did not even notice the lack of action.

 

[Ryal Kane]

Stopped for a month once. No real change apart from wet dreams.
I noticed no change before or after in the strength of my spirit.
You check it using a spirit level right?

 

[Lithium Hobo]

Any man or woman who says they have not masturbated for over three months, let alone forty years, is an outright liar.

In the very rare case that someone hasn't in that long, I do not admire nor do I envy. That person must be very very easy to anger and will have serious problems with their health in old age.

 

[CM]

I haven't in about 2 months..:s

Though it's not because I see it as a sin, or something you're not supposed to do ..more of a thing on I think it's wrong for me.
It just effects me emotionally, and physically somewhat in a negative way..so yeah, I don't really wanna do it anymore.
But I don't have a problem with anyone who does.

 

[aragorn]

I don't really want to either any more, it's just that after about ten days...

 

[Friendly Eagle]

agree

I don't believe that the Bible says that masturbation is a sin, in and of itself, but how does one touch without engaging in lust, which is a sin?

 

[morningstar2651]

And to add to that, the more one masturbates, the more they begin to look for new ways for feeding their habit. This can lead to pornography, fetishes, one-night stands, and other dangerous things.

That, my friend, is the slippery slope fallacy.

Actually, it's speculated that masturbation in men can help prevent prostate cancer.

I'm starting some studies on tantra, and you don't need to fantasize to touch. I usually don't, and if I do, I visualize my fiance.

I won't even get into the subject of sacred sexuality...the poor poor people of this thread would flip.

 

[DEPO]

I am not going to put my view on how this is revealed to me but, let the Holy Spirit be your guide and if you feel that anything is wrong for you to do it is sin that is when the Holy Spirit interviens and lets you know when you are doing something wrong.

Work in Gods will and you will know, when people are talking to you, if they are His words or thier own.