Masturbation as a sin

[Chinchilla]

What I find interesting in some here saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, it's a sin". So...is eating ice cream glorifying God? No...you're just eating ice cream, is going bowling glorifying God? No, you're just going bowling.

Is walking from the parking lot to the front door glorifying God? No, you're just walking.

That's too broad of a brush to be saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, then it is a sin".

1 Corinthians 10:31
Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Nomnomnom make Yah happy

 

[Lots of Questions]

What makes something "in the glory of God", I mean how do you do something mundane like eating or drinking "in the glory of God"?

 

[zoidar]

All sins are common to man , if you think about it every man fap

The thing is people would marry young age and have sex but we went towards hunting money and carieer so we delay mariage exchanging it for money and fornication. Women would be ready to marry when they reached thier first period . God did not create man to get degrees and finish school but to have dominion over earth and animals , Biblical mariage was planned and husband would take wife into his room added for that exact purpose in his house .

Releasing seed is not sin in itself but more likelly watching porn and lust thougs . Your body will automatically release itself when you sleep if you do not have sex for about 2-3 weeks .

Also the sin of Onan was that he did not fullfill his obligations , if brother's wife had no child and his brother died , he was supposed to impregnate her and take her as wife so her child would inherit all land because only son could inherit father's goods it could not be daughter (untill one Guy asked for permission for his daughter to inherit long after ).

So Onan was not punished with death by God for spilling seed on ground but for taking Wife with all these goods . He was greedy and wanted to keep land for himself .


Back to topic .
If something glorify God then it is not sin . If it does not glorify God it is probably sin.
Fapping is sin . But it is as bad as hating somebody or even cursing .You just feel like it's worst sin than saying a lie or something like that because when you release yourself you lose dopamine .
For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
Telling a lie is as bad as murder in God's eyes .
We sin multiple times a day that's why we need to be saved .

Get wife problem solved
If not try to not watch porn and don't leave hands on your pants because you can be touching yourself not even realising it untill it's too late and you are in "lust mode " .
Same goes for girls they often touch thier breasts while watching tv or something .

Really?

If it's a sin you shouldn't do it. There is no excuse for sin.

4 Everyone who practices sin also practices lawlessness; and sin is lawlessness. 5 You know that He appeared in order to take away sins; and in Him there is no sin. 6 No one who abides in Him sins; no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. 7 Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. (1 John 3)

No, it's not! If you get the right wife the problem may be solved for a while. To rush into marriage is not a good idea at all. Too many people rush into marriages for different reasons, this is not a reason to get married! You get married because you want to live with someone for the rest of your life, even if you never can have sex with that person, you would still be with him or her. That is the commitment. Even if it may be a temporary solution to get married, one day maybe your wife or you yourself can no longer have sex, then you or your wife is back to square one. So don't marry because of this. Get to the root of the problem and marry for the right reasons.

I didn't want to sound cocky or anything. I also have struggles with temptations, and sometimes I do the wrong things. I got irritated because you took the seriousness out of it. Sin is a serious matter. Because many people do it, it doesn't make it right. And if it's a sin we are talking about it's not ok to live in it.

Some people take sins very lightly, like "We are all sinners, we can't to anything about it." That's the wrong approach! Firstly we are holy in God, born again through the Holy Spirit, partakers of Christ and to the glory that is to be revealed. Are we to live in sin, or are we to put to death the deeds of the body through the Holy Spirit (Romans 8:13)? Do you think Paul masturbated? I hardly think so. If he could overcome it, we can as well. Saying we can't, takes away the power to live righteous lives.

 

[zoidar]

What makes something "in the glory of God", I mean how do you do something mundane like eating or drinking "in the glory of God"?

You are thankful to God for the food and drink you have been given.

 

[dayhiker]

I just read thru this thread. Its a topic I've been interested in for decades now and have given it a lot of thought. I guess I've come to a different conclusion that many here.

To me I start with the fact that most people touch and there is no scripture saying its a sin. So to me its not a sin.
Secondly, God created us sexual beings and so expects that most people will have sexual desires no mater what their station in life is. Those sexual desires are as Godly as any other desire.
There is always a lot of talk about lust as Jesus we aren't to look at a woman and lust after her. But I find we often don't think of the context of what Jesus is preaching about. The context is this is Jesus' sermon on the 10 commandments. Which has no thou shall not touch. As Jesus goes thru the list of commandments he comes to thou shall not commit adultery. Jesus is preaching about now to not commit adultery more than lust.
Now I think we need to know that we don't think quite the way people in Bible days do about adultery. These verses Lev.20:10, De.22:22, Jer.29:23 Ez.16:38 show that adultery was a man taking another man's wife or causing the wife to break her marriage vows.
Then when we look at the meaning of the Greek work for lust we fine it means lust, desire or covet. It turns out that when ever Paul writes about the 10 commandments and say we what not covet that this is the Greek word he uses. So I think the best reading since Jesus is talking about the 10 commandments is if a man looks at a woman and covets her ... I must say I've never coveted a man's wife when I've masturbated.

What ever is not of faith is sin. Do all think to the glory of God. That's how I've masturbated since my mid-20s. I thank God for making me a sexual creature and for the pleasure of God's gift of sex. Its really amazing. One of the best gifts God could give us I believe.

 

[ThisIsMe123]

I thank God for making me a sexual creature and for the pleasure of God's gift of sex. Its really amazing. One of the best gifts God could give us I believe.

Exactly. Also, I often think God made a woman's body for use desire. That could be thought of as lust, in a sense, but we as men really admire the female form. If lustful thoughts come of it, who are we to feel guilty about it?

 

[dayhiker]

I've come to not like the word lust, because I think people use it to say thinking sexual thoughts are sinful and thinking they are saying what the Bible says when I don't think it is.
After all God thought a lot of sexual thoughts when He was creating all the sexual organs and sexual patterns of all the plants and animals on earth. God wasn't sinning to design sex into all creation. So its coveting that is sinful and that applies to coveting people and other people's things. So I much prefer to say we aren't to covet.

 

[JackRT]

I've come to not like the word lust, because I think people use it to say thinking sexual thoughts are sinful and thinking they are saying what the Bible says when I don't think it is.
After all God thought a lot of sexual thoughts when He was creating all the sexual organs and sexual patterns of all the plants and animals on earth. God wasn't sinning to design sex into all creation. So its coveting that is sinful and that applies to coveting people and other people's things. So I much prefer to say we aren't to covet.

Rather than "covet" I prefer selfishness --- it encompasses all the major sins: lust, gluttony, greed, pride ..........

 

[cafefan374]

Okay, I want to know. Is masturbation really that big of a deal? Granted if it involves pornography, yes but sometimes it's a good since of stress relief and can reduce our risk of certain cancers. I would not recommend it on a regular basis but the occasional session is not out of line. All that said, my advice would be for you to abstain as much as possible if you really feel you should. Either way though, the sperm will be released through a wet dream.

 

[zoidar]

Okay, I want to know. Is masturbation really that big of a deal? Granted if it involves pornography, yes but sometimes it's a good since of stress relief and can reduce our risk of certain cancers. I would not recommend it on a regular basis but the occasional session is not out of line. All that said, my advice would be for you to abstain as much as possible if you really feel you should. Either way though, the sperm will be released through a wet dream.

I'm not sure if it's a sin or not. But at least I believe it's good for our character to withstand. Porn is certainly a sin. Did the apostles touch? I hardly think so. Are wet dreams sins? Are we to fight off dreams in our sleep? I don't know. The Bible doesn't say much about masturbation.

 

[JackRT]

We must realize, that at that point in history, it was believed that the father, and the father only, contributed what we would today call the genetic make up of the child. What they called the male seed was regarded as containing an entire nascent human being. As a consequence, they regarded any wastage of the seed as tantamount to murder. This explains why masturbation, coitus interuptus and even wet dreams were considered to be serious sins.

 

[salt-n-light]

Okay, I want to know. Is masturbation really that big of a deal? Granted if it involves pornography, yes but sometimes it's a good since of stress relief and can reduce our risk of certain cancers. I would not recommend it on a regular basis but the occasional session is not out of line. All that said, my advice would be for you to abstain as much as possible if you really feel you should. Either way though, the sperm will be released through a wet dream.

Yes it’s a big deal, don’t do it.

 

[Devin P]

I'm not sure if it's a sin or not. But at least I believe it's good for our character to withstand. Porn is certainly a sin. Did the apostles touch? I hardly think so. Are wet dreams sins? Are we to fight off dreams in our sleep? I don't know. The Bible doesn't say much about masturbation.

a wet dream isn't in itself a sin, but if you don't clean the clothes that were soiled, and wash yourself, it is considered a sin to lie in that uncleanness. It itself, isn't a sin. A wet dream that is. Masturbation however, is definitely a sin though. Especially when coupled with pornography.

 

[Devin P]

We must realize, that at that point in history, it was believed that the father, and the father only, contributed what we would today call the genetic make up of the child. What they called the male seed was regarded as containing an entire nascent human being. As a consequence, they regarded any wastage of the seed as tantamount to murder. This explains why masturbation, coitus interuptus and even wet dreams were considered to be serious sins.

wet dreams were never considered sins. As long as you cleaned yourself and the clothes that were soiled, there's nothing wrong with a wet dream. It was when one decided not to cleanse themselves, or their soiled garments that it would be considered sin.

 

[JackRT]

It was when one decided not to cleanse themselves, or their soiled garments that it would be considered sin.

I have been a Christian for 75 years and have never heard that . Why would that be a sin?

 

[Devin P]

I have been a Christian for 75 years and have never heard that . Why would that be a sin?

Leviticus 15:16-18 - 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

I would imagine it would have to deal with sanctification. God is Holy (set apart or sanctified), and requires all that come before Him to be set apart or sanctified (holy) as well. I'd imagine that it's reckoned as sin, because it's a failure to listen to His instructions, and a deliberate choice to remain in uncleanness, but who knows.

It doesn't address the failure to cleanse oneself as sin here, but it does in that chapter, and surrounding ones regarding emissions of the flesh.

 

[Devin P]

What I find interesting in some here saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, it's a sin". So...is eating ice cream glorifying God? No...you're just eating ice cream, is going bowling glorifying God? No, you're just going bowling.

Is walking from the parking lot to the front door glorifying God? No, you're just walking.

That's too broad of a brush to be saying, "If it doesn't glorify God, then it is a sin".

All food you eat, glorifies God, if you're doing it within the boundaries that He gives us. If we eat pork, because He's said it's an abomination to Him, and that when He returns He will slay all those found eating Pork's flesh, when eating pork, it's not glorifying Him, because it's in opposition to what He said His will is.

But, if you avoid Pork, and eat the things He's said please Him when we eat them, then you're glorifying God by simply eating, because merely listening to Him, is glorifying Him.

 

[creslaw]

1 Thessalonians 4:3-5
It is God’s will that you should be sanctified: that you should avoid sexual immorality; that each of you should learn to control your own body in a way that is holy and honorable, not in passionate lust like the pagans, who do not know God".

 

[JackRT]

Leviticus 15:16-18 - 16And if any man's seed of copulation go out from him, then he shall wash all his flesh in water, and be unclean until the even. 17And every garment, and every skin, whereon is the seed of copulation, shall be washed with water, and be unclean until the even. 18The woman also with whom man shall lie with seed of copulation, they shall both bathe themselves in water, and be unclean until the even.

I would imagine it would have to deal with sanctification. God is Holy (set apart or sanctified), and requires all that come before Him to be set apart or sanctified (holy) as well. I'd imagine that it's reckoned as sin, because it's a failure to listen to His instructions, and a deliberate choice to remain in uncleanness, but who knows.

It doesn't address the failure to cleanse oneself as sin here, but it does in that chapter, and surrounding ones regarding emissions of the flesh.

Thank you for the reply. What we are dealing with here is a part of the code of ritual purity. Since I do not regard a failure to cleanse as an evil in and of itself, I do not think of it as a sin. Aside from that, the code of ritual purity was cancelled for Christians at the Council of Jerusalem.

 

[dayhiker]

I agree with JackRt about the washing that Lev. speaks of.
In ancient times all countries had purity rituals. The rules that defined these rituals were rules to define if you were a citizen in good standing of that people group. So God makes rules about washing clothes after an emission, not eating pork, etc so that the Israels will be separate from other nations. They had nothing to do with sin.
In the book of Acts there is tension about if the gentiles have to becomes Jews to be saved or not. There is a Meeting in Jerusalem that is described in Act.15. The Jewdizers felt the new Christians had to forsake their gentile purity rules and follow the Jewish purity rules. Earlier Peter was having an issue with the purity rules about going to preach the gospel to Gentiles. God gave Peter a vision of the animals coming down in a sheet can commanded Peter to kill and eat. Back to Act.15 the decision of the church was why ask the Gentiles to obey laws that even the Jews hadn't been able to obey. So the guidance that was given to Gentiles was to not worship idols.
Then we have Romans, Galatians and the book or Hebrews that also teach us about the dangers of going back to be under the law.