Mary cannot be Queen.

[Fireinfolding]

First Adam was formed from the dust of the ground, last Adam (Christ) is formed in us (the church who is the ground of him/the truth)

Though curious, it says here, "we put on Christ"

Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

As here, we "put on" The Lord Jesus

Romans 13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ

Even as it says we "put on" the new man

Col 3:10 And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him

Why sre the words "created him" there?

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Was Adam, who had no mother, fully human?

Hebrews 7

1For this Melchisedec, king of Salem, priest of the most high God, who met Abraham returning from the slaughter of the kings, and blessed him;
2To whom also Abraham gave a tenth part of all; first being by interpretation King of righteousness, and after that also King of Salem, which is, King of peace;
3Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; abideth a priest continually.

 

[Secundulus]

No, Jesus was not created. Thus, flesh did not become the Word, but the Word became flesh. I believe your question was a red herring.

Was Adam, who had no mother, fully human?

Then if Jesus was not created like Adam and at the same time had no human mother, then he was not human at all. The Book of Hebrews contradicts your belief.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Originally Posted by Secundulus I am nobody!

Nobody?
Even better yet!.. right?

There is only 1 nobody

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHouWALbuiI

 

[Gregory Thompson]

To be God Jesus would need no creation origin also . so that is why what He grew from came only from God . emphasizing Mary as the mother too much is detrimental as Jesus being God . but perhaps the regular biblical emphasis would be helpful in establishing He was also fully human .

 

[sunlover1]

A lot of Protestants seem to pick and choose which declarations of which Councils they take as authoritative anyway. I've found that it tends to be that when a Council declaration agrees with their belief the answer is, "it's in the Council!" If the declaration disagrees with their belief the answer is, "the Councils were headed by fallible men who made mistakes." It's a rather clever way of doing things. Of course, all of this is a massive generalization.

Sounds like you mean a "dishonest" way of doing things.
Sad, very sad that protestants AND RC's are so dang intellectually dishonest over
such idiotic stuff as being right LOL
Must be mostly men here.
Men and high testosterone women ...
*she said straightfaced.

[/quote]Conception has a very specific meaning:[/quote]
Just curious, what is the actual greek word?

sunlover
#keepingthingsreal

 

[Secundulus]

There is only 1 nobody

LOL back in The day, that was one of my favorite movies.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Sounds like you mean a "dishonest" way of doing things.
Sad, very sad that protestants AND RC's are so dang intellectually dishonest over
such idiotic stuff as being right LOL
Must be mostly men here.
Men and high testosterone women ...
*she said straightfaced.

#keepingthingsreal

I love it!
I always wondered why CF had to make a seperate sub-board for her

Mariology & Hagiography - Christian Forums
Mariology & Hagiography

 

[Dark_Lite]

Sounds like you mean a "dishonest" way of doing things.
Sad, very sad that protestants AND RC's are so dang intellectually dishonest over
such idiotic stuff as being right LOL
Must be mostly men here.
Men and high testosterone women ...
*she said straightfaced.

Dishonest would imply that it was being done intentionally while recognizing that it's not a valid way of dealing with the Councils. Ignorance would be the more appropriate term. It's all rooted in Sola Scriptura as the only infallible source of information.

But like I said, it's a massive generalization, and has only been in my subjective experience.

Just curious, what is the actual greek word?

The extent of my Greek is taking an English word and putting "-opolis" on the end of it.

But I doubt that it's a word that means "artificial insemination."

 

[ivebeenshown]

Then if Jesus was not created like Adam and at the same time had no human mother, then he was not human at all. The Book of Hebrews contradicts your belief.

My view is that since Adam was fully human without a mother, Jesus also could be fully human without a mother. Could you please cite Hebrews, and how it contradicts my belief? Thank you.

 

[sunlover1]

I love it!
I always wondered why CF had to make a seperate sub-board for her

Mariology & Hagiography - Christian Forums
Mariology & Hagiography

And Michael is going to break hearts if he trys to prove mary cannot
be the actual queen of Heaven.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
But I doubt that it's a word that means "artificial insemination."

Shhhh! Don't give the apostate Jews of today that idea of Mary's virgin birth

http://www.christianforums.com/t7362288/
Virgin Mary and Goddess Mariamman - a connection?

 

[sunlover1]

It's all rooted in Sola Scriptura as the only infallible source of information.

Which is a given.. which changes everything!
And which is why this argument will lead to nowhere.
Bible will prove the one from "the way" correct.
But your traditions will prove you right.
And so both will walk away none the wiser.
Hmm jolly good waste of time and energy?
Think I will go back to work lol.

The extent of my Greek is taking an English word and putting "-opolis" on the end of it.

But I doubt that it's a word that means "artificial insemination."

[/QUOTE]
conceptionopolis.
Sounds about right
*shrugs

 

[ivebeenshown]

Interesting -- reading Hebrews.

In chapter 2 we are told he took on him "The seed of Abraham"... so as "The seed of Eve" makes Jesus the "Seed of Life" then "The seed of Abraham" makes Jesus the "Seed of the Exalted Father" or the "Son of God."

 

[Gregory Thompson]

For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel. (1st Corinthians 4:15)

 

[Secundulus]

My view is that since Adam was fully human without a mother, Jesus also could be fully human without a mother. Could you please cite Hebrews, and how it contradicts my belief? Thank you.

Hebrews 2:16-18
16 For verily he took not on[ him the nature of] angels; but he took on[ him] the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto[ his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things[ pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

That passage would have been helpful in the Michael the Archangel thread btw ..

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

Hebrews 2:16-18
16 For verily he took not on[ him the nature of] angels; but he took on[ him] the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto[ his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things[ pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

Great verses!

http://www.christianforums.com/t7426625/
Book of Hebrews verse by verse

 

[ivebeenshown]

Hebrews 2:16-18
16 For verily he took not on[ him the nature of] angels; but he took on[ him] the seed of Abraham. 17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto[ his] brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things[ pertaining] to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people. 18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

So how does that contradict that God has no mother? When the Word became flesh, the Word became like unto humans. Adam was a human and had no mother. The "seed of Abraham" are the children of the promise, and Jesus being the Seed of Abraham is "The Seed of the Exalted Father" and by believing on God alone we are made his children as well, and born again as children of the promise - the Seed of Abraham.

For this reason our LORD saith: you shall not enter into the kingdom, unless you are born again as a little child -- for he spake of becoming the Seed of Abraham and heirs to the promise.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

And Michael is going to break hearts if he trys to prove mary cannot
be the actual queen of Heaven.

oh everyone knows that the Bride of Christ is the queen of heaven

and Jesus is the King of heaven . yepp!