Martin Luther

[KomissarSteve]

From doing so and investigating the history of the Early Church, I have concluded the exact opposite . . . .

Care to expand on that, at least with regard to Luther?

 

[Punchy]

If the gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church (Matthew 16:18), then your premise is false.

 

[Rick Otto]

by which the Gates of Hell failed.

 

[Punchy]

by which the Gates of Hell failed.

If the gates of Hell shall never prevail against the Church, then the Protestant concept of the "Great Apostasy" could hever have happened. The true Church would need to survive in some form from the beginning of the faith to the end of time.

 

[Rick Otto]

ahhhh... do I hear the doors of perception creaking open?
Can you imagine in what form?
Perhaps a form not discernable with the eye of the flesh?
(holding breath)

 

[Punchy]

ahhhh... do I hear the doors of perception creaking open?
Can you imagine in what form?
Perhaps a form not discernable with the eye of the flesh?
(holding breath)

You are being illogical. It's amazing that Protestants are able to argue that their positions are "Bible-based."

 

[BeforeThereWas]

If the gates of Hell shall never prevail against the Church, then the Protestant concept of the "Great Apostasy" could hever have happened. The true Church would need to survive in some form from the beginning of the faith to the end of time.

Thus the assumption by many that the rcc is that survivor, which I reject.

BTW&DM

 

[BeforeThereWas]

It's amazing that Protestants are able to argue that their positions are "Bible-based."

I think there's some serious kookiness in all the branches, whether they be orthodox, non-orthodox, protestant, rcc, denomnainal, non-denominainal, et al.

BTW&DM

 

[Punchy]

Thus the assumption by many that the rcc is that survivor, which I reject.

BTW&DM

Have you considered the Orthodox Church or even know what it is?

 

[BeforeThereWas]

Have you considered the Orthodox Church or even know what it is?

It ain't the rcc.

BTW&DM

 

[KomissarSteve]

If the gates of Hell cannot prevail against the Church (Matthew 16:18), then your premise is false.

Perhaps it wasn't the Devil at work, but men of genuine conviction and faith who just happened to be wrong, or who happened to let their personal biases and the biases of the contemporary culture affect their message? Tertullian comes to mind, in that regard.

 

[CaliforniaJosiah]

If the gates of Hell shall never prevail against the Church, then the Protestant concept of the "Great Apostasy" could hever have happened. The true Church would need to survive in some form from the beginning of the faith to the end of time.

It did.

Thank you, Martin Luther!

 

[mike1reynolds]

Funny, this is the first time I've ever seen you say anything at all about your own denomination?

 

[VonBarnstejn]

How do we correlate this with:
"Knowing that a man is not justified by works of the law but by faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we might be justified by faith in Christ and not by the works of the law, for by the works of the law no flesh shall be justified."
(Galatians 2:16 NKJV)