Mark of the Beast, the matrix, and your job!

ToBeLoved · Sep 26, 2016

Paul built and sold tents to support his ministry of spreading the gospel.

Now you may have a hard time proving that Paul was wicked after he became Paul.

Dennis1209 · Sep 26, 2016

LastSeven said:
"it cannot be repented of". That's a very interesting statement because it actually reveals a lot about what the mark is, and isn't.

You know that Jesus said the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, right? So if that's the only unforgivable sin, and taking the mark is a sin, then it is forgivable, which makes your statement false. And based on what Revelation said about those who take the mark, that sounds like a conundrum, doesn't it?

Interesting. You classify taking the "mark of the beast" as a sin, is it really? Or, is it more like a choice to you have to make to forever serve Satan, and everyone has been warned about that and what the penalty is. Just saying.

Dennis1209 · Sep 26, 2016

Nice video and excellent subject, and I'd like to share my thoughts.

Many books and opinions have been postulated on the subject of “the mark of the Beast”. I'm not an expert on end-time prophesy but that does not curtail having my own studies and opinion on the subject.

We do know a couple of things about the 'mark of the beast' that is certain though.

(1) The technology, motivation, personal identification [SSN] and equipment is here and perfected to regulate all global commerce, employment and activities. It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN it will be implemented. And what event(s) will transpire for such a willingness for the mass to accept damnation. I also have some thoughts on how this might happen.

(2) We know from Rev 14:11 among other places, receiving this mark of the beast is not just a bad idea, or suffering the wrath of the almighty but… Results in eternal damnation! WOW!

Based on scriptures, I'm of the opinion this 'mark' will be more or less voluntary, and will be required to survive and have employment [business as usual]. I suspect those that do not take the 'mark' will be persecuted and might be able to survive off the grid in isolation maybe? I further believe the eternal penalty for accepting this mark is equivalent to accepting and serving Satan as your personal lord and savior.

I further surmise if you once take this 'mark', there is no redemption, forgiveness or chance of salvation even if you change your mind. It's irrevocable and permanent, end of story.

Does anyone notice a comparison between what occurs physically in Revelation to those whom accept the 'mark' and what happened to Nimrod “as he was becoming?” I won't bore anyone with my thoughts here.

I differ somewhat on the money issue in the video. Money is only an efficient medium of exchange for goods and services. I could detail how Janet with three cows needed four bushels of corn from the grain grist, the bartering, transportation, equivalence etc., but you get the point.

Genesis 3:19 and 2 Thessalonians 3:10 and many other places command that we work to support ourselves and families. I don't see how working for wages [a days pay] is evil or a love of money? The LOVE of money is the Root of all evil. When you love money more than God, you're lost and have your priorities topsy turvey.

Endtime Survivors · Sep 27, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
What they did was evil, not the buying and selling

And yet, that's not what Jesus actually said...

Endtime Survivors · Sep 27, 2016

LastSeven said:
Certainly I didn't give you a complete list.

The root of all evil wasn't on your list. I think that is significant, especially considering the purpose of the Mark deals directly with money.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Endtime Survivors said:
And yet, that's not what Jesus actually said...

I've not heard too many preachers warn about the evil of selfishness - "shopping".

It doesn't matter what someone is shopping for , if they are selfish, it is sinful.

Or any other activity they do, if they are selfish, it is sinful.

People don't like that, so they would leave a church that preaches the TRUTH.

Endtime Survivors · Sep 27, 2016

ToBeLoved said:
Paul built and sold tents to support his ministry of spreading the gospel.

So, when you stand before God and he asks why you took the Mark, or why you didn't take seriously his warnings about how the people of Noah and Lot's day were destroyed for putting the cares of this world before their relationship with him, you'll tell him, "Paul made tents"?

I dunno. Something tells me that isn't going to work out so well.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Dennis1209 said:
Interesting. You classify taking the "mark of the beast" as a sin, is it really? Or, is it more like a choice to you have to make to forever serve Satan, and everyone has been warned about that and what the penalty is. Just saying.

People serve satan today , all day long, without even knowing it.

WHen they get the mark, they don't have to even admit satan's in charge, nor do they have to realize it.

They are condemned because they have chosen willingly to trust the flesh - the government - the "system" to provide their needs

instead of trusting YHWH or Y'SHUA.

The same way a few people have trusted the stock market, or a job, or insurance settlement, or retirement/ ssi/ trust fund.

OR they trust relatives, or anything else instead of YHWH.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Endtime Survivors said:
Something tells me that isn't going to work out so well.

Yes - many kings and princes desire to see what we have seen; that something is YHWH'S MERCY and GRACE and WORD and SPIRIT with many many warnings about not TRUSTING and not RELYING ON YHWH and very clear descriptions
from YHWH of the results.

Endtime Survivors · Sep 27, 2016

Dennis1209 said:
Nice video and excellent subject, and I'd like to share my thoughts.

Hi Dennis. Thanks for the encouragement and for sharing your thoughts.

Dennis1209 said:
It's not a matter of IF, but WHEN it will be implemented. And what event(s) will transpire for such a willingness for the mass to accept damnation. I also have some thoughts on how this might happen.

Agreed. Not if but when. Money has always changed it's shape throughout it's existence. It's been happening slowly and for the most part the infrastructure for a cashless economy is already available; it's just a matter of human perception that's causing some drag in switching over. People need to be convinced and that takes time. But, I also believe something dramatic will happen to act as a catalyst for switching over completely.

Dennis1209 said:
Based on scriptures, I'm of the opinion this 'mark' will be more or less voluntary, and will be required to survive and have employment [business as usual]. I suspect those that do not take the 'mark' will be persecuted and might be able to survive off the grid in isolation maybe? I further believe the eternal penalty for accepting this mark is equivalent to accepting and serving Satan as your personal lord and savior.

Yup, the warning does appear to be trying it's best to communicate just how serious the choice will be in God's eyes. Although God could forgive anything, he appears to be making it as clear as he can that he won't forgive anyone for taking the Mark. Anyone who's relying on "Jesus did it all on the cross" to justify taking the Mark will be in for a pretty nasty surprise when Jesus says, "I never knew you".

As for survival in the Great Tribulation I think there will be a pretty good chance of that. The answer to the Mark is found in the gospels, where Jesus promised that God will take care of anyone who seeks his kingdom first. He said that we should not let fear for material provisions stop us from stepping out in faith. I believe God will provide for us in the Great Tribulation. It's not a guarantee that the saints will never feel hunger or never die, but if we learn to listen and follow his instructions, then we will give us what we need.

Dennis1209 said:
Does anyone notice a comparison between what occurs physically in Revelation to those whom accept the 'mark' and what happened to Nimrod “as he was becoming?” I won't bore anyone with my thoughts here.

I don't think I'm familiar with the connection you're making. I don't think it would be boring for you to share it hear, though if it's really, really long people will probably skip over it.

Dennis1209 said:
I differ somewhat on the money issue in the video. Money is only an efficient medium of exchange for goods and services. I could detail how Janet with three cows needed four bushels of corn from the grain grist, the bartering, transportation, equivalence etc., but you get the point.

I don't think it is efficient. And yeah, I understand the motivation behind bartering and exchange, but there's more than enough resources in this world without a need to force payment or exchange. The kingdom of Heaven is all about sharing. In this current economic system, the idea of sharing sounds like an impractical, utopian fantasy, but consider why that should be. Sure, there will always be someone ready to take advantage of kindness or wanting to get more than what they should have, but those issues still exists in the monetary system, too.

But in the monetary system greed becomes justified when it can hide behind the guise of "money". It becomes legitimate for some people to have hundreds or even thousands times more than what they actually need because they have the money to pay for it. But in the kingdom of Heaven where money is not the boss, where society is based on sharing and need it would be become blatantly inappropriate for such displays of wealth.

Dennis1209 said:
The LOVE of money is the Root of all evil. When you love money more than God, you're lost and have your priorities topsy turvey.

Can you give some examples of what it means to love money, in practical, everyday life?

Endtime Survivors · Sep 27, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
Yes - many kings and princes desire to see what we have seen; that something is YHWH'S MERCY and GRACE and WORD and SPIRIT with many many warnings about not TRUSTING and not RELYING ON YHWH and very clear descriptions
from YHWH of the results.

Hi Jeff. I was thinking about that the other day. Jesus was the promised messiah, the culmination and fulfillment of all God's plans up to that point; God's ultimate revelation of himself to us humans. It must have been such a fantastic time to be alive, but I recognize that I'm mostly able to appreciate that because of hindsight. If I were alive in Jesus' day, I may have been one of those people who thought Jesus was just another wanna-be suffering from delusions of grandeur. But I really like that Jesus made it clear that kings and wise men desired to see his day, and yet it was a group of lowly fishermen, tax collectors and whom ever else who were "seeing" it.

I think about how that could apply to the days we're living in now. For centuries people have thought their generation was the last. It seems since the death of Jesus, there were people making prophecies about his return and/or the end of the world. It's gotten to the point now where a good many people on the Earth are sick of hearing about it.

But what if we really are living in the last days? What if the Mark of the Beast really is just around the corner? What if we are like the people of Jesus' day who failed to appreciate just how amazing their situation was because of the timing of their lives? The tree of the world has become very dry indeed. The Mark of the Beast, the Great Tribulation, the rise of the AC etc...they are all pretty terrible spiritual concepts and I'm definitely not looking forward to suffering. And yet they are all part of a bigger plan; God's plan for the world, and for that I am very excited to be living in these times!

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Endtime Survivors said:
As for survival in the Great Tribulation I think there will be a pretty good chance of that. The answer to the Mark is found in the gospels, where Jesus promised that God will take care of anyone who seeks his kingdom first. He said that we should not let fear for material provisions stop us from stepping out in faith. I believe God will provide for us in the Great Tribulation. It's not a guarantee that the saints will never feel hunger or never die, but if we learn to listen and follow his instructions, then we will give us what we need.

Corrie ten Boom (testimony on youtube about the tribulation) differs quite a bit from this.
She knew many who were slaughtered for their faith in the last 70 years - millions martyred, and millions more tortured, imprisoned, cast out of home, job, and exiled, all around the world.
And it is getting worse every day.

In Scripture it is written that the enemy will be given authority(or power) to take the lives of believers in the last days.

As always, through Scripture, a remnant may be spared. In china, it was one couple out of hundreds who escaped ("Goforth of China" a missionary couple from Canada) .

The rest were all put to death.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Endtime Survivors said:
I'm definitely not looking forward to suffering.

The Testimony of Y'SHUA and of YHWH'S WORD and of centuries of martyrs is
to consider life on this earth not even worth trying to save. (There is one specific verse that says this very directly: "they considered not their lives important enough to preserve" (paraphrased) I don't remember the exact words nor the location)

This is in Harmony with being "dead to the world" "the world dead to us" "love not the world" and
"whoever tries to save their own life will lose it; and whoever loses it will find it",
and many other witnesses in Scripture and history.

I think "martyr" used to be another word for ekklesia, describing how we are to be "crucified with Christ" -- this is Reality of YHWH'S WORD and the believer's experience in order to follow Y'SHUA and live HIS LIFE and not our own - even in times of apparent peace or prosperity(notice how few americans ever give up everything like Y'SHUA told all HIS disciples was /is necessary to be HIS ? ) .

Bethany311 · Sep 27, 2016

I still think to limit the system to the love of money alone is a mistake. The "system" is anything and everything that is apart from God's will... If I go to a restaurant to have a fun time with family and it is apart from God's will, I'm partaking in the system. If I drive to meet someone at a coffee shop when God's will was for me to stay home and watch tv, I'm partaking in the system. If I'm making eggs for breakfast when God told me to make oatmeal, I'm partaking in the system. I'm using random, somewhat odd examples for a reason. The point is that to do one thing instead of another makes all the difference, because by our daily choices we are constantly either serving God, or we are serving the world and it's system. We are always on a path - either the path that leads to life, or the path that leads to death.

For the record, I don't have a "job" in the way many people would define it. My parents disapprove and worry that I'm not making money to put into Social Security. I have bills to pay and debt. Yet I have been shown in detail, over and over again on a regular basis that this is part of the path God specifically has for me. One way I've been shown this is in the way God constantly provides for me... I've seen Him prove to me that He gives provision for what He calls an individual to do. I believe every individual has a path laid before them by God that they can choose to follow; it is a continual collection of decision making every day. What I would hope more people come to understand is that to not walk the path God has for you is to walk the complete opposite; to contribute to the darkness, evil and system that the enemy has laid out.

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Bethany311 said:
I still think to limit the system to the love of money alone is a mistake. The "system" is anything and everything that is apart from God's will.

This is true (it seems).
But, on this forum, according to the "rules" (there may be exceptions) , we can't tell others that what they are doing is UNchristian.
Maybe that's not quite right, but it feels that way (that's how I've understood it from what people post about it).

Bethany311 · Sep 27, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
This is true (it seems).
But, on this forum, according to the "rules" (there may be exceptions) , we can't tell others that what they are doing is UNchristian.
Maybe that's not quite right, but it feels that way (that's how I've understood it from what people post about it).

I understand those may be the rules, but I haven't said anything here to suggest someone is doing something un-Christian. I'm simply sharing my opinion and thoughts. Endtime Survivors said previously that he looked forward to more of my thoughts, so I'm continuing the conversation...

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Bethany311 said:
I understand those may be the rules, but I haven't said anything here to suggest someone is doing something un-Christian. I'm simply sharing my opinion and thoughts. Endtime Survivors said previously that he looked forward to more of my thoughts, so I'm continuing the conversation...

Oh, no worries about your posts - they are true and scriptural and welcome.

daughterofthemosthigh7 · Sep 27, 2016

My main question is, why's the guy afraid to show his face??
Psalm118:6 kjv

yeshuaslavejeff · Sep 27, 2016

Endtime Survivors said:
Can you give some examples of what it means to love money, in practical, everyday life?

The Scriptural examples may be best, and permitted.
If anyone has a shirt, extra, and sees someone in need, and does not give it to them.
If anyone has food, even barely enough, and sees someone with no food, hungry with no resources, and refuses to share.
If anyone has houses, and knows brethren who are homeless, and turns them away.
If anyone has a car, and sees brethren who needs a ride, and ignores them as if they were not there.
Like the religous leaders, teachers, lawyers, WHO WALKED BY ON THE OTHER SIDE of the path, INSTEAD of helping the man who had been beaten and left bleeding and unable to recover by himself.
GREED, UNBELIEF, PERNICIOUSNESS, UNGODLINESS, the opposite of RIGHTEOUSNESS,

HOLINESS, GENTLENESS, WISDOM, LIGHT, TRUTH.

Endtime Survivors said:
But what if we really are living in the last days?

What if?
What is written?
Y'SHUA is returning for those who are eagerly waiting and expecting HIM;
and HE SAYS they will be taking care of their brethren, feeding the sheep and lambs, every day until HE RETURNS. Those who HE FINDS not doing what is RIGHT, not doing what HE SAYS/ HIS WORD SAYS, they will suffer for it.

Endtime Survivors said:
What if the Mark of the Beast really is just around the corner?

It already is here. It started a long time ago.

Endtime Survivors said:
What if we are like the people of Jesus' day who failed to appreciate just how amazing their situation was because of the timing of their lives?

What if?
Judgment this time is fierce. There is no other chance later. No second chance.
Look up "Those who ignored YHWH (in the OT); ...
Don't think those who ignore HIS WORD FROM HEAVEN TODAY will be let off as easy."
A greater than MOSES is here. FAR FAR GREATER.
Y'SHUA'S LIFE WAS GIVEN. HIS BLOOD SHED.

Endtime Survivors · Sep 28, 2016

yeshuaslavejeff said:
What if?

Yeah. I think it's important, no matter how sure we are, to keep at least a little healthy doubt about just how right we may be. ^.^

Besides being a good way to keep our own religious pride in check, it may also help others who may disagree with us to feel a little less threatened in how they express that disagreement.

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