Mark Driscoll

[JaneFW]

But he dreamed about people they both knew, and about an open secret. I think his dream was more of his subconscious showing that he has been bothered by her having been with other men.

Exactly!

You don't go into marriage with a person knowing that they have had past sexual relationships, and then later berate them for doing just that, and threaten to leave them. Especially when they are truly vulnerable i.e. heavily pregnant with your child.

Someone else mentioned his reaction to his wife having been a victim of CSA. What I read suggested that the CSA was all about HIM. He was SO affected by her "admission" of CSA, he was about to lose his mind. Seriously?

People who make everything about them are seriously, sinfully flawed. Sadly he cannot see it.

 

[hijklmnop]

It seems many of you responding are not interested in the video I posted but more interested in your opinions of Mark Driscoll and his negatives.

Ok , then forget the video I posted and start a thread on the negative opinions of Mark Driscoll. I am now starting to get interested because so much has been posted about Mark. I do hope that your opinions will be backed up by actual quotes from mark or at least some very credible sources.

At this point I have viewed several of Mark’s YouTube messages and I have not found much that confirms the negatives that has been stated on CF. I am not saying that they do not exist I just have not seen them yet.

If I find that Mark is as bad as some have stated on this forum then I will probably not view many more of his videos even though the ones I have seen are very good Christian lessons. Like MKgal said, the truth can be spoken by a donkey, as was the case in the Bible, but for some reason sometimes some of us will not listen o their truth because we got offended by something they d said or we do not like their style.

I've heard and read enough stuff by Mark to know that I believe that lots of his teachings are twisted, dangerous and offensive. I don't need to keep exposing myself to his stuff in hopes of finding a gem in there somewhere. I'm sure he says SOME good stuff...but there's too much bad mixed in there IMO to make the search for the good worth it. IMO there are far better teachers out there to pay attention to...ones who haven't made my jaw drop in horror. I don't think it's wise to expose oneself to someone's rantings in hopes of hearing some truth when you know from experience with that person that there's going to be untruths in there as well.

 

[hijklmnop]

...not to mention, he had sex with her before marriage as well. Pot calling the kettle black much?

 

[Luther073082]

...not to mention, he had sex with her before marriage as well. Pot calling the kettle black much?

Don't you know, the rules don't apply to Mark Driscoll??

Here is God's law

Matt 18:15-18

“If your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault, between you and him alone. If he listens to you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he does not listen, take one or two others along with you, that every charge may be established by the evidence of two or three witnesses. 17 If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church. And if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. 18 Truly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed[f] in heaven.

Here is Mark Driscoll's law

In 2007, two elders protested a plan to reorganize the church that, according to critics, consolidated power in the hands of Driscoll and his closest aides. Driscoll told the congregation that he asked advice on how to handle stubborn subordinates from a “mixed martial artist and Ultimate Fighter, good guy” who attends Mars Hill. “His answer was brilliant,” Driscoll reported. “He said, ‘I break their nose.’ ” When one of the renegade elders refused to repent, the church leadership ordered members to shun him. One member complained on an online message board and instantly found his membership privileges suspended. “They are sinning through questioning,” Driscoll preached.

Mark Driscoll has NEVER allowed God's law to apply to him equally as he has other people.

God says: If you guys disagree, go to one or 2 others, if you still can't work it out. . . go to the whole church.

Mark says: If you disagree with me, I will break your nose and throw you out of MY church. And then tell everyone that you where sinning by daring to question me. . . the one, the great Mark Driscoll.

The spirit of God is not in him. So what if he has an occasional good point?? (although I wasn't able to watch the video to even confirm that Mark had a good point.)

Seriously. . . Adolf Hitler probably had a few good points as well. Having a couple of good points doesn't give anyone instant credibility.

And I say it again. . . the spirit of God is not in him.

 

[JaneFW]

It's just appalling that such a man supposedly represents Christ to so many.

 

[Luther073082]

For the record isn't it funny how video games are a "stupid waste of time" but watching ultimate fighting like Mark has admited he likes to do, is extremely productive!!!

 

[Romanseight2005]

For the record isn't it funny how video games are a "stupid waste of time" but watching ultimate fighting like Mark has admited he likes to do, is extremely productive!!!

Yep, It's ironic!

 

[mkgal1]

I've heard and read enough stuff by Mark to know that I believe that lots of his teachings are twisted, dangerous and offensive. I don't need to keep exposing myself to his stuff in hopes of finding a gem in there somewhere. I'm sure he says SOME good stuff...but there's too much bad mixed in there IMO to make the search for the good worth it. IMO there are far better teachers out there to pay attention to...ones who haven't made my jaw drop in horror. I don't think it's wise to expose oneself to someone's rantings in hopes of hearing some truth when you know from experience with that person that there's going to be untruths in there as well.

ITA.

 

[mkgal1]

For the record isn't it funny how video games are a "stupid waste of time" but watching ultimate fighting like Mark has admited he likes to do, is extremely productive!!!

Hmmmmm....that sounds JUST like what he says in his video in the OP (and is speaking *against*)........."good people are the ones that are just like me"...."bad people are the ones that are *not* like me." Gospel according to Driscoll?

 

[dallasapple]

Don't you know, the rules don't apply to Mark Driscoll??

Here is God's law

Matt 18:15-18



Here is Mark Driscoll's law



Mark Driscoll has NEVER allowed God's law to apply to him equally as he has other people.

God says: If you guys disagree, go to one or 2 others, if you still can't work it out. . . go to the whole church.

Mark says: If you disagree with me, I will break your nose and throw you out of MY church. And then tell everyone that you where sinning by daring to question me. . . the one, the great Mark Driscoll.

The spirit of God is not in him. So what if he has an occasional good point?? (although I wasn't able to watch the video to even confirm that Mark had a good point.)

Seriously. . . Adolf Hitler probably had a few good points as well. Having a couple of good points doesn't give anyone instant credibility.

And I say it again. . . the spirit of God is not in him.

You and I have like minds on this one..Im reading along..and I had came to the same comparision of Hitler...Im SURE Hitler had some gems of points..ideas..and even some enlightened views..somewhere in his sociopathic delusional murderous weak mind..that doesnt mean ..Im going to pull out all of his ramblings and speaches ...to find them..Why would I do that?

I have heard enough..I have no respect for Mark Driscoll..hes not some unique special above the rest highly evolved man...that i woudl tolerate the fact hes a misogynist/hypocrite..and put that aside because its SOO worth it becasue he is so brilliant..I dont even detect that hes some sort of genius even..more along the lines of a low brow if Im honest..

Dallas

 

[Chaplain David]

Don't you know, the rules don't apply to Mark Driscoll??

Here is God's law

Matt 18:15-18



Here is Mark Driscoll's law



Mark Driscoll has NEVER allowed God's law to apply to him equally as he has other people.

God says: If you guys disagree, go to one or 2 others, if you still can't work it out. . . go to the whole church.

Mark says: If you disagree with me, I will break your nose and throw you out of MY church. And then tell everyone that you where sinning by daring to question me. . . the one, the great Mark Driscoll.

The spirit of God is not in him. So what if he has an occasional good point?? (although I wasn't able to watch the video to even confirm that Mark had a good point.)

Seriously. . . Adolf Hitler probably had a few good points as well. Having a couple of good points doesn't give anyone instant credibility.

And I say it again. . . the spirit of God is not in him.

Thank you for the insight (and everyone else too). God bless.

 

[dallasapple]

I did not read the book or hear the story you are talking about. If his wife married him pretending to be a virgin and she wasn't, or pretending not to have done something that she had done of a sexual nature, she had ripped him off. In the Old Testament, our righteous Almighty God gave Israel commandments regarding a death penalty for a girl playing the harlot in her father's house and being married off under the pretense of being a virgin. God apparently takes this sort of thing seriously.

Yes..God takes it seriously enough..to send His SON here to earth..to for ONE example He set..STOP the hypocrites from stoning an adulteroud woman to death..then tell HER to go and sin no more..

And Mark Driscolls wife didnt "rip him off"..she had sex with someone ELSE besides HIM when she was a teeanger..he called it "cheating' my understanding it was 'cheating' simply becasue they had started dating..(SHE was SEVENTEEN)..then AFTER they are married he supposedly has a "dream" that shows him that she had done this YEARS prior..and makes this HUGE odreal out of it..like she was just the absolute scum of the earth and hes a victim..Its clear to me..this is all about his insane inflated ego..and his need to be in total control of her..HIS tortured mind that the poor woman has unfrotunately got dragged in to ..

Its actually so absurd its hilarious..like thats supposed to be some impressive testimony of overcming obstacles?That he figured out somehow ..AFTER he was marreid that his then preganant wife had had premarital sex with someone besides HIM?And his tomrented mind over it?That he claims now had he known hw woudl have never marreid her?(presently he says that)..

Its not only not impressive..it shows to me..what an arrogant self righteous self aborbed man he is..obsessed with sex..

Dallas

 

[mkgal1]

I started a new thread, "Who Hindered You". Link, I hope you don't mind, I'm going to copy your post and respond to it there, in order to not derail Stan's thread.

 

[Luther073082]

Dallas hits on another thing. Its really time we get rid of this idea that having sex outside of marriage is "cheating on your future spouse" The bible supports nothing like that.

You are sinning with your body against God. That much is very clear. But you arn't cheating on your future spouse. Pre-marital sex is NOT a sin against one's future spouse.

I think thats where we start getting all this purity crap comming from. The idea that we are cheating on our future spouse if we sleep with someone else. . . Ok then you are cheating if you kiss someone else. . . better not do that. Holding hands with someone else. . . that could be cheating. . . better stop that. And then lets change the whole way the system works and not call it dating. . . because if we date someone else we are possibly cheating on our future spouse.

The thing is that none of this is about the future spouse, its about you and God.

 

[Conservativation]

This is interesting.

If thats cheating against future spouse

and

lust of the heart is adultry

we all have been cheated

Im going home and sort this out with my wife toooo nite!

 

[sdmsanjose]

Originally Posted by sdmsanjose http://www.christianforums.com/t7623967-post59549814/#post59549814
It seems many of you responding are not interested in the video I posted but more interested in your opinions of Mark Driscoll and his negatives.

Ok , then forget the video I posted and start a thread on the negative opinions of Mark Driscoll. I am now starting to get interested because so much has been posted about Mark. I do hope that your opinions will be backed up by actual quotes from mark or at least some very credible sources.

At this point I have viewed several of Mark’s YouTube messages and I have not found much that confirms the negatives that has been stated on CF. I am not saying that they do not exist I just have not seen them yet.

If I find that Mark is as bad as some have stated on this forum then I will probably not view many more of his videos even though the ones I have seen are very good Christian lessons. Like MKgal said, the truth can be spoken by a donkey, as was the case in the Bible, but for some reason sometimes some of us will not listen o their truth because we got offended by something they d said or we do not like their style.

REPLY BY DREAMER
I've heard and read enough stuff by Mark to know that I believe that lots of his teachings are twisted, dangerous and offensive. I don't need to keep exposing myself to his stuff in hopes of finding a gem in there somewhere. I'm sure he says SOME good stuff...but there's too much bad mixed in there IMO to make the search for the good worth it. IMO there are far better teachers out there to pay attention to...ones who haven't made my jaw drop in horror. I don't think it's wise to expose oneself to someone's rantings in hopes of hearing some truth when you know from experience with that person that there's going to be untruths in there as well.

Dreamer
Your statement above is a good one. However, so far the Mark Driscoll videos that I have posted on this forum have been some very good Christian messages. What are some of Mark’s untruths you stated? So far I have viewed around 5 video messages from Mark and have not seen any untruths. I realize that I have not heard a lot of Mark’s messages so I am open to hearing about his untruths

At this point I have a different experience with Mark Driscoll’s messages than you. Many people on this forum claim a lot of negatives about Mark Driscoll including the statement of "I say it again. . . the spirit of God is not in him” That is a pretty strong statement to make about a pastor of a Christian church.

Since most of you responding to this thread are not interested in the videos that I posted I think I will go to MKgal’s thread titled"Who hindered you?"~ (Galatians 5:7)

If I find credible evidence that “…the spirit of God is not in him” then I will not view any more of Mark’s videos.

 

[moonkitty]

Exactly!

You don't go into marriage with a person knowing that they have had past sexual relationships, and then later berate them for doing just that, and threaten to leave them. Especially when they are truly vulnerable i.e. heavily pregnant with your child.

Someone else mentioned his reaction to his wife having been a victim of CSA. What I read suggested that the CSA was all about HIM. He was SO affected by her "admission" of CSA, he was about to lose his mind. Seriously?

People who make everything about them are seriously, sinfully flawed. Sadly he cannot see it.

What is CSA?

 

[mkgal1]

Childhood Sexual Abuse

 

[JaneFW]

This is interesting.

If thats cheating against future spouse

and

lust of the heart is adultry

we all have been cheated

Im going home and sort this out with my wife toooo nite!

I know that you're joking some here - duh!! - but do you not believe the scripture that says that lusting after another is adultery of the heart? I'm not looking for a fight, I'm just curious to know why. The first part, I don't scripture for (pre-marital sex is cheating on future spouse), but the second I do. Just curious.

 

[JaneFW]

Good gracious, I have agreed with every one of Luther's posts in this thread. This is nothing more than a miracle!! See, Mark Driscoll has done something good. Finally!!