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AndOne

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They must be getting an unordinary amount of snow there this year then - I keep hearing him talking about it on his podcasts - "Glad the snow didn't keep you guys away..." and stuff like that.

Yea - I thought the "grunge" days were cool tool. But oddly enough the coolest band out of Seatle - in my opinion anyway - has always been Queensryche....
 
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They must be getting an unordinary amount of snow there this year then - I keep hearing him talking about it on his podcasts - "Glad the snow didn't keep you guys away..." and stuff like that.
Yup. It's been a crazy winter so far. (I'm just across the border and we get mostly the same weather as them.)
 
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If you are going to download Driscoll's sermons, don't judge him entirely by the earlier ones. He has definitely toned down. It came about the time he preached on humility. I was talking to my pastor the other day about him and said that before that message I don't think it would have been good to have him preach in our church. Now, I think he would be welcome. (Although a few might still be offended.) His best message, IMO, is 'Death by Love' which you can find on iTunes.
 
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I particularly liked the series "Religion Saves and nine other misconceptions...." In that series is a lesson on dating which I plan on making my kids listen to once they hit their teens - one of whom is already there....
 
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Mark has gotten into some hot water with his comments on "The New Calvinism".

I can't link yet, but here are two blog entries of his where first he says some startlingly inaccurate things and then where he appears to have been corrected by someone (Carson?) and seems to want to clarify.

1. theresurgence.com/new_calvinism

2. theresurgence.com/time_magazine_new_reformed

Note: no "www" in either url.
 
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Howdy bro - since I have the links already in my favorites I checked them and I didn't see anywhere where Don Carson corrects Driscoll. Also - I saw nothing that Driscoll said that I would consider inaccurate. Controversial perhaps - but certainly not inaccurate. Check the bottom link in my signature acctually....
 
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I would have to disagree. His statement (below) is more than just controversial, it is inaccurate.
"Old Calvinism was cessationistic and fearful of the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. New Calvinism is continuationist and joyful in the presence and power of the Holy Spirit."
Driscoll should know better than to say that.
http://www.inlightofthegospel.org/?p=4301

I have benefited greatly from the preaching of Driscoll and I appreciate what he is doing in Seattle, but I think here he oversimplified things and crossed the line into inaccuracies.
 
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Dr Clark has an interesting response on this New Calvinism and Driscoll


http://heidelblog.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/calvinism-old-and-new/
 
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Well this is really rather frustrating. I was starting to have a better impression of Mark Driscoll. But his comments against "old Calvinism" are horrendous. While I probably better represent his view on new Calvinism (minus his ridiculous misrepresentation of cecessationism), attitudes like that make me prefer to associate with the old. He seems to want to reinvent the wheel or something. I wonder what Piper thinks of his friend's comments there.
 
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He's flat out wrong about cessationism. A good number of the "New Calvinists" are cessationist (Piper, Mohler).

I would also like to see some substantiation for the claim that the "Old Calvinists fled the cities".

And finally, the claim that people like Machen and his successors were syncretist or liberal is flatly ridiculous.

The reference to Carson was theoretical. D. A. Carson has had some influence on Driscoll, I was suggesting that it may be that Dr. Carson contacted him and asked him to rethink his rather silly over-simplifications it was a hopeful guess.

Also, I think Dr. Clark can be a bit heavy handed and I think he is being just so in his criticism of Mark and the Mars Hill Church. I will continue to listen to Mark Driscoll because I find him to be mostly sound, but J. Ligon Duncan he ain't. He ain't even Phil Ryken.
 
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He's flat out wrong about cessationism. A good number of the "New Calvinists" are cessationist (Piper, Mohler).

If you will permit me to make a correction here, John Piper isn't a cessationist. I know because when I was in college I attended Bethlehem Baptist, where he is the preaching pastor. He said explicitly in one sermon that there is no doctrinal statement in the church to the effect that the spiritual gifts cannot be manifest today. In addition, our church often associated with Sovereign Grace Ministries, which is a charismatic Calvinist network of churches. And while I attended, we even had Sam Storms and C.J. Mahaney, who are professing charismatic Calvinists, preach the sermon for our Sunday service.

Just an FYI...
 
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After taking another look at the blog and your post - I think I'd have to agree with you here. He shouldn't have said that under Old Calvinism folks were fearful of the presence and power of the Holy Spirit. In reality they were trying to be faithful to their interpretation of scripture and though Driscoll disagrees with them on the gifts he should have put it this way.

He's making an assumption based on his own perception. I agree it is over-the-top. Good to see he isn't perfect....
 
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I'm thinking there has to be a better use of time than debating on his intent in a blog post. I mean, I could be wrong, but If more people were concerned with engaging the culture and preaching the gospel to the lost, I don't think a miswording or even a statement that may be false would really be that big a deal. Plus, I tend to think that the people who actually want to see guys succeed in ministry will take their complaints to them in private, not public like some have done with Driscoll as of late.

Simply put, worry less about Driscoll, worry more about your community.
 
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