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And each is fully God in Himself, not "part of God." This is basic trinitarian theology.There are three individual Persons that make up the Triune God. My last post on this.
Let's not agree on looking at this in a false illusory way. Mary did not literally have a crown of 12 stars. This is not a literal woman, in my opinion. She is a metaphorical figure, as indicated by the language and context.Let's agree on the clear interpretation that Mary is the mother and Jesus is the child. There's no necessity to search for metaphorical figures; Mary was a real woman, and Jesus was her actual baby.
You are very poor at arguing things. Language is not geometric, but a vehicle for conveying information. A word, such as "all," can mean many things. But it is *context* that matters, and the thing that defines what "all" means in a particular instance.I gave numerous examples. You are now saying that all does not mean every individual. You say Jesus is an exception, although the statement does not say so. Let me ask, what sins do accuse newborn babies of committing?
I agree that you are "lost for words."Awesome. Glad you agree with my point...
Not only am I frightened for your gross mishandling of the very Biblical Truth of the Incarnation (IMO), but you absolutely did not even begin to linguistically touch the fabric of one of my favorite passages in scripture.If you are frightened by words you need to change your business. I used the very words of Scripture.
First and Foremost, the word LORD as it was used is synonymous with YHWH as it is shown in the Greek, when referenced to Jesus.I think the term "Lord" is synonymous with master. Jesus was a form of Deity, no doubt.
You are Semi-Arian in doctrine. In my opinion, you deny that Jesus walked among us as Fully God made Flesh. This is not only epically terrible for all other doctrine, but it is a theological matter that has no business being tossed around as a small matter.Phil 2.5 Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross.
It's the same old argument.
She was and IS, as surely as Jesus also declared her the very "Adoptive" mother of the Invisible Body of Jesus Christ.Mary is the mother of Jesus.
He is Dios. He is the centerpiece of Theology. He is He which saves, while the scriptures only point to HIM. (John 5:39)Jesus is God.
This is correct.So Mary is the mother of God.
I not only get the point, but am not okay with your insinuation towards our LORD, GOD, SAVIOR, FINISHER OF FAITH, HEAD OF THE BODY, Creator of all that is, He Who has never not been, The Origin of Love, The very Embodiment of Love, Jesus Christ.You miss the point,
Correct, I am not Semi-Arian and refuse to ever be. I know WHO He Is.or refuse to acknowledge it.
You are saying that Jesus is not God.There is a difference between saying Mary is the mother of Jesus and saying Mary is the mother of God.
The Creator either became one with Creation or He did not. You deny the most sacred biblical truth about the Living Truth by your very words. In My OpinionThe difference is if we mean by "Mother of God" that Deity in its infinite form has a "mother." It does not.
Jesus is Infinite. The Word never not was. The Word has ALWAYS BEEN. You don't understand that though the Son died in the flesh, that His Spirit was made Alive in the realm of the Dead by His Father. Even while cut off from His Father, He gave DOMINION of His very SOUL to His Father before He gave up HIS Ghost.Deity has a mother only in its finite form.
Opinionated Correction.... You have a problem understanding Philippians 2:6's usage of the word form (morphe)But you have a problem with the word "form,"
We are not the same on this matter.and apparently with any Bible translator that translates Philippians 2 as such?
D Taylor,-A short version of Free Grace teaching on Revelation 12
In Revelation 12
Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars.
A sign is something that represents something else. The connection between the sun, moon and 12 stars and the nation of Israel is seen in Genesis 37
Then he dreamed still another dream and told it to his brothers, and said, “Look, I have dreamed another dream. And this time, the sun, the moon, and the eleven stars bowed down to me.”
So he told it to his father and his brothers; and his father rebuked him and said to him, “What is this dream that you have dreamed? Shall your mother and I and your brothers indeed come to bow down to the earth before you?”
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Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
The women is Israel the child is The Promised Messiah (Jesus) the labor pains is the grief and sorrow the nation of Israel experienced in The Tanakh at the hands of satan. In his attempt at preventing the birth of The Messiah
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She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.
Verses 5 and 6: Verse 5 happened 2000+ years ago. Where as verse 6 will happen in the future in the exact middle of the seven year tribulation after the man of sin is reveled 1,260 Days ≈ 3.4497628 Years. The women who fled is believing Jews. these will be the Jews who survive the tribulation and go into the Millennium as God has promised. They go into the wilderness and will be feed by God till the end of the tribulation.
Therefore when you see the ‘abomination of desolation,’ spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing in the holy place” (whoever reads, let him understand), “then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. Let him who is on the housetop not go down to take anything out of his house. And let him who is in the field not go back to get his clothes. But woe to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath. For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.
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Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.
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So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The water satan (the serpent) spews out are the armies of of the man of sin who sets himself up in the Temple of God declaring himself to be God. They pursue the fleeing believing remnant of Jews, into the wilderness. But God opens up the earth and the earth swallows the armies of the man of sin.
So satan turns his attention to the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
Which are the 144,000 Jewish believing men who have been scattered over the earth. Who have been evangelizing the people of earth with the eternal life saving message of belief in Jesus.
@Xeno.of.athens stated that the Child is Jesus, thus, even if you focus on Israel, that the Child's mother is clearly Mary.Let's not agree on looking at this in a false illusory way. Mary did not literally have a crown of 12 stars. This is not a literal woman, in my opinion. She is a metaphorical figure, as indicated by the language and context.
The "woman" is a metaphor for an Eve-like figure, replete with mention of the Serpent and the man-child who, in the Genesis account, defeats him. Mary did no such thing--all emphasis was on the child, Jesus. The 12 stars represent the 12 tribes of Israel. The "woman" is Israel, in my opinion, and the passage is obviously metaphor.
Is Jesus God?-Jesus
Such a divine and beautiful mystery. Yes, that infinite, timeless, unborn, uncreated God took human flesh born of a woman.The difference is if we mean by "Mother of God" that Deity in its infinite form has a "mother." It does not.
Is the Trinity Divisible?-Jesus is God the Son
Is the Trinity Divisible?
Yes. I won't insult you by continuing the line of questioning without giving scripture.-Was God the Father on earth or in heaven, when Jesus was on earth. Did Jesus do His miracles on His own power or by the power of The Spirit of God.
Yes. I won't insult you by continuing the line of questioning without giving scripture.
When Jesus says that He is in the Father and the Father is in Him, He is saying that the same God the Holy Spirit that is in the Father is the Same God the Holy Spirit that is in Him.
Now, take this verse into consideration;
Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily
This verse is about Jesus.Do you agree with it?
Now that you have fully and adeptly confessed that God became Sarx for the Loving sake of mankind, I am at peace. I don't know if you suspected a set up for a gotcha in this reference to the discussed OP, but it ain't happening.-2:9 is simply saying that because God The Son took on human flesh, He The Son is no less a part of The Godhead than The Spirit or The Father.
In God The Son is as the exact fullness that people believe is in God the Father or God The Spirit.
Now that you have fully and adeptly confessed that God became Sarx for the Loving sake of mankind, I am at peace. I don't know if you suspected a set up for a gotcha in this reference to the discussed OP, but it ain't happening.
On this matter, my dear sibling in Jesus, we fully agree and that makes my Soul leap with Joy!
All Love in Jesus Christ to you, D Taylor, my sibling in Jesus Christ
-I am not sure how you have been reading my post, but i never said that God The Son never became man. If that is what you in the past took away from my post, then you were reading and understanding wrong.
But i will say God the Father did not become man or God the Holy Spirit only God The Son became flesh.
Colossians 2:9 is simply saying that because God The Son took on human flesh, He The Son is no less a part of The Godhead than The Spirit or The Father.
In God The Son is as the exact fullness that people believe is in God the Father or God The Spirit.
You confessed the following:
- The Word in John 1 is a reference to the Pre-Incarnate Theophany we see in the OT. I don't have to ask. I know you know this.
- The Word has never not been. This is again something that I don't have to ask you.
- The Word, indeed became Sarx (Flesh) per John 1. I know you yield to scripture, thus, again, I don't have to ask you this.
Therefore, you are confessing that the fulness of the God Head became Flesh, Bodily, through God the Son, by Will of His Father in Heaven, God the Son's Will and the Will of God the Holy Spirit, through the working of the Holy Spirit.
Are you not?
Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily
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