Marijuana

[k]

This is means nothing to me.

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What I mean is, and please search this out but sin is anything that seperates us from God. IS eating a sin? No its a nessasity but over eating to excess is a sin as it harms us physically and it has become something more important than Gods will which is to treat our bodies with respec as it is the temple of the Hols Spirit.

Anything can be a sin if it seperates us from God. Pot seperates us from many things we dont ever realize. I am a martial artist. Im my pot / drinking years I had no "want" to work out or to continue training. After a long day at work I just wanted a smoke and a beer.

Pot is really a "life" killer in that it makes you too complacent. IT really killed my urge to better myself and I have many friends I see this in their lives. I have a friend that has his masters in Business and he is a cashier, nothing wrong with being a cashier except when you have 120,000 in student loans and a degree being wasted. It for him pot is such a big part of his life it has become a ruling element

I know people who run very successful businesses that smoke pot...so much for the broad brush approach.

 

[leoji]

This is means nothing to me.

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I know people who run very successful businesses that smoke pot...so much for the broad brush approach.

I didnt say anything about running a business I was talking about our relationship with Christ.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I have read a few of the posts... Speaking from experiance and having a past with pot let me say first that the 10 + years smoking week was the least productive and the farthest away from God I have ever been. Personally I dont see how I can actively and productivly serve Christ being stoned!

When I was stoned I was more open the worldly and carnal temptation, this is also true with drinking. We are to have the Mind of Christ and now for the life of me I cant see how pot can be a part of it.

When we call our selves Christian and try to live for Christ, how will we pe percieved when others see us stoned or drinking? Personally I think we lose credibility.

Christ calls us to be "In the World but not of the world".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Everything we do we need to show who we serve. Actually everything we do does show who we serve. Show the world you serve Christ

And this has what exactly to do with the government banning weed? I'd look pretty unchristian for insulting my mother in public but the government doesn't ban that.

 

[meebs]

No hassles.

It's about control in economics, period.

im looking for (easy to read) books on it all right now. Including the history and politics in the states... and maybe the UK. This interests me, i wondered why it was banned when tobacco remained legal!

 

[k]

im looking for (easy to read) books on it all right now. Including the history and politics in the states... and maybe the UK. This interests me, i wondered why it was banned when tobacco remained legal!

Tobacco was a main source of income for plantations in the South.

 

[leoji]

And this has what exactly to do with the government banning weed? I'd look pretty unchristian for insulting my mother in public but the government doesn't ban that.

Very true and thats why you dont do it! I guess my point is that reguardless if its legal or not the first question should be what place it has in your life and how it effects your relationship with Christ and how the world sees you. Does the world see you as just another "Joe" or do they Christ in you.

 

[Maynard Keenan]

I didnt say anything about running a business I was talking about our relationship with Christ.

And this thread is asking whether or not governments should make it illegal, which has nothing to do with a relationship with Christ. Legal or illegal I can smoke it or I can not. The government decides if the smoking of pot is such a civil danger that it must be banned.

 

[meebs]

I didnt say anything about running a business I was talking about our relationship with Christ.

im confused, i didnt write that,

 

[meebs]

What I mean is, and please search this out but sin is anything that seperates us from God. IS eating a sin? No its a nessasity but over eating to excess is a sin as it harms us physically and it has become something more important than Gods will which is to treat our bodies with respec as it is the temple of the Hols Spirit.

i know the christian definition of sin but it means nothing to me. I have morals just different.

Anything can be a sin if it seperates us from God. Pot seperates us from many things we dont ever realize. I am a martial artist. Im my pot / drinking years I had no "want" to work out or to continue training. After a long day at work I just wanted a smoke and a beer.

just slightly OT but related, You think pot is bad, i know people who think martial art is just as bad and sinful as pot. I was warned of martial arts at one of my old churches. See what i mean about individual beliefs? (i do karate now )

Pot is really a "life" killer in that it makes you too complacent.

then the governments should have no problem legalising it, no wait - they have other things for that..

IT really killed my urge to better myself and I have many friends I see this in their lives. I have a friend that has his masters in Business and he is a cashier, nothing wrong with being a cashier except when you have 120,000 in student loans and a degree being wasted. It for him pot is such a big part of his life it has become a ruling element

then pot is not for him and some others. i already said people react differently.

 

[leoji]

i know the christian definition of sin but it means nothing to me. I have morals just different.



just slightly OT but related, You think pot is bad, i know people who think martial art is just as bad and sinful as pot. I was warned of martial arts at one of my old churches. See what i mean about individual beliefs? (i do karate now )



then the governments should have no problem legalising it, no wait - they have other things for that..



then pot is not for him and some others. i already said people react differently.

LOL ok im out I know I was a bit off topic but I just had to say what I said.

Jellybean you seem pretty cool! Your a thinker! I think God has alot in store for you

Just remember Put Christ first in all things!

Again, Sorry to get off topic

 

[Goatboy]

im looking for (easy to read) books on it all right now. Including the history and politics in the states... and maybe the UK. This interests me, i wondered why it was banned when tobacco remained legal!

IIRC “The Psychedelics Encyclopaedia” has quite a lengthy section on the subject.

It even talks about how the UK ditched quite a sensible drugs policy in an early stage of the special relationship.

 

[susanann]

im looking for (easy to read) books on it all right now. Including the history and politics in the states... and maybe the UK. This interests me, i wondered why it was banned when tobacco remained legal!

As I recall, some states, or at least some localities, actually did make tobacco illegal in the 1800's. Check out North Dakota's old laws.

It also might have been effectively illegal for women to use tobacco until around the 1920's.

 

[dignitized]

Go out to Cali where there are towns who are making it illegal to smoke even in your own home. Funny that these same areas that are banning smoking EVERYWHERE are the same who are pushing for pot.

 

[xMinionX]

Go out to Cali where there are towns who are making it illegal to smoke even in your own home. Funny that these same areas that are banning smoking EVERYWHERE are the same who are pushing for pot.

Better. Yes, some areas are making some kooky decisions regarding what you can inhale into your own lungs.

I wish they'd stop. I mean, I agree with the anti-smoking measures making smoking inside bars and diners and such illegal (forces other people to breath your smoke, I hate that), but you should be able to do whatever you wish in your own home.

 

[dignitized]

Better. Yes, some areas are making some kooky decisions regarding what you can inhale into your own lungs.

I wish they'd stop. I mean, I agree with the anti-smoking measures making smoking inside bars and diners and such illegal (forces other people to breath your smoke, I hate that), but you should be able to do whatever you wish in your own home.

No one is forcing ANYONE to go into a bar where there is smoking. If you don't like the smoke in the bar - go to a different bar. Why force on others who WANT the smoke in the bar your adversion.

 

[SummerMadness]

I like it without the smoking, you don't smell when you leave.

 

[Moros]

I am against legalization, personally.

If marijuana is legalized, then it will be govt. regulated.
If it is govt. regulated, it will be taxed.
If it will be taxed, large corporations will be built up around selling the stuff.

These large corporations will most likely be tobacco companies.

There is no real proof that marijuana is addictive beyond 'ordinary' compulsion and habit. That is, someone who smokes a lot of dope will continue to only because he's accustomed to it, not because he's chemically addicted to THC or anything else in it.

What does this mean?

Tobacco companies will use additives and filler in the marijuana they sell. They won't sell little baggies like some of us are familiar with, they will most likely sell them in cigarette form. They will most likely be blended with tobacco, and therefore nicotine, a known chemically addictive substance.

All this is probably fine excepting the fact that a lot of marijuana smokers are not cigarette smokers.
Marijuana in its 'pure' form is not addictive in the way cigarettes are. Legalization will make it that way.

There's no real proof that marijuana causes lung cancer and things the way cigarettes do. Legalization will change that.,

 

[Gracchus]

I am actually curious as to how many people agree about marijuana legalization, and if so many people agree (right now, 90% of the poll types), why isn't it legal?

The biggest reason is money. Were marijuana legal, the price would drop, possibly to the $10/oz. that was common in the ‘60’s and ‘70’s. There would be less of a market for other drugs, and some politically very important people would lose money.

I'm not sure there's anyone in jail for possession. I'm sure... somewhere... but, an ounce or under won't get you sent to jail, or even booked, in most places.

The first time you may get fine and rehab. Repeat offenders usually get jail time or prison time. If you buy more than an ounce it is presumed that you have an intent to sell, even if you bought it for your own use. That means hard time.

Some places (like California, I believe) actually have marijuana decriminalized. norml.org is a great place to start looking up each individual law.

California did vote to decriminalize for medicinal use. The federal government said we couldn’t do that. Doctors prescribing marijuana risk federal prosecution and loss of license.

All we need is another addictive mind altering drug available for mass consumption.

What's sooo VERY funny - is that the people pushing for smoking weed to be legal are also pushing for somking tobacco to be illegal!

As has been pointed out, marijuana is not addictive. And I don’t care what anyone does in their own home as long as it doesn’t involve harm to innocents.

there is a great big difference between professionals giving medications and SELF medicating.

Yes there is. Let me give you an example. I used to take the prescription drug Prilosec™ (omeprazole). I don’t know the actual cost but my co-pay was $25 for a month’s supply. Then the patent on Prilosec(tm) ran out. It became a non-prescription drug. It costs $20 for a month’s supply. The drug company must be making a profit on it. They were making a profit on just my co-pay when it was a prescription drug. Everything they collected from the insurance company was pure profit. The insurance company wrote it off as a business expense. Every body makes money except the patient. The drug companies and insurance companies pay off congress, and everyone is happy. Even the stupid purblind patient who doesn’t know he is getting shafted is happy.

The professional prescribes what the insurance company says they can prescribe. The professional gets perqs for being an authorized distributor. And here is the beauty part. Since 90% of the real property in the US is owned by 10% of the people, the insurance companies and the drug companies are two pockets in the same pair of pants.

http://www.rand.org/news/press.05/06.23.html

Where we find this article: RAND FINDS IMPRISONED LOW-LEVEL DRUG OFFENDERS IN ARIZONA AND CALIFORNIA TYPICALLY COULD HAVE FACED MORE SERIOUS CHARGES

What Br. Max seems to be arguing is that if we didn’t have criminalized pot, prosecutors would have to press the more serious charges, or let those charged go when there wasn’t enough evidence to convict. How horrible!

and lets look at crime where drugs are legal - http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Netherlands/Provincie_Noord_Holland/Amsterdam-463377/Warnings_or_Dangers-Amsterdam-Pick_Pocketing_Street_crime-BR-1.html

Yes indeed, this is a deplorable situation. We don’t have pickpockets in the US. Here we do it the American way, just walk up, wave a gun, and demand the loot. It is much simpler and is good for the firearms industry too.

I have read a few of the posts... Speaking from experiance and having a past with pot let me say first that the 10 + years smoking week was the least productive and the farthest away from God I have ever been. Personally I dont see how I can actively and productivly serve Christ being stoned!

When I was stoned I was more open the worldly and carnal temptation, this is also true with drinking. We are to have the Mind of Christ and now for the life of me I cant see how pot can be a part of it.

When we call our selves Christian and try to live for Christ, how will we pe percieved when others see us stoned or drinking? Personally I think we lose credibility.

Christ calls us to be "In the World but not of the world".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Everything we do we need to show who we serve. Actually everything we do does show who we serve. Show the world you serve Christ

Well then don’t smoke it. (What does “productive” mean? Why is it good to be “productive”?)

What I mean is, and please search this out but sin is anything that seperates us from God.

If God is ubiquitous, then we can’t be separated from him. You may try to hide, but you can’t. The perceived separation is in your own mind, a fiction. When I smoked pot, I always felt closer to God. I saw and heard God everywhere.

IS eating a sin? No its a nessasity but over eating to excess is a sin as it harms us physically and it has become something more important than Gods will which is to treat our bodies with respec as it is the temple of the Hols Spirit.

If you think it is wrong, don’t do it. If I do it, God will judge.

Anything can be a sin if it seperates us from God. Pot seperates us from many things we dont ever realize.

Our options are always limited. “Something’s lost and something’s gained in living every day.” You pays your nickel and you makes your choice.

I am a martial artist. Im my pot / drinking years I had no "want" to work out or to continue training. After a long day at work I just wanted a smoke and a beer.

I suffer from chronic depression. Pot used to get me up on my feet, multi-tasking, out and around. But then, different people have different reactions. Since I started taking prescription anti-depressants I have lost interest in music, poetry, and sex. I can do without the sex, but I sure miss my guitar.

Pot is really a "life" killer in that it makes you too complacent.

It may make you too complacent. Don’t use it.

IT really killed my urge to better myself and I have many friends I see this in their lives.

…and you’re better now? WOW!

I have a friend that has his masters in Business and he is a cashier, nothing wrong with being a cashier except when you have 120,000 in student loans and a degree being wasted. It for him pot is such a big part of his life it has become a ruling element

Loud music, fast cars, sex, drugs, religion, money…everyone one has a ruling element. The nice thing is that we don’t all have the same ruling element. What is your ruling element: Holding yourself up as the moral standard for the world?

]I know people who run very successful businesses that smoke pot...so much for the broad brush approach.

I didnt say anything about running a business I was talking about our relationship with Christ.

You have a relationship with your imaginary friend. That is very nice. If pot interferes with that, I would say it is a good thing. But I am not about to deny you your harmless delusions if you are so attached to them.

Go out to Cali where there are towns who are making it illegal to smoke even in your own home. Funny that these same areas that are banning smoking EVERYWHERE are the same who are pushing for pot.

Cali? You mean California? I haven’t heard about that. Can you give citations? I will alert the ACLU.

 

[Gracchus]

I am against legalization, personally.

If marijuana is legalized, then it will be govt. regulated.
If it is govt. regulated, it will be taxed.
If it will be taxed, large corporations will be built up around selling the stuff.

These large corporations will most likely be tobacco companies.

There is no real proof that marijuana is addictive beyond 'ordinary' compulsion and habit. That is, someone who smokes a lot of dope will continue to only because he's accustomed to it, not because he's chemically addicted to THC or anything else in it.

What does this mean?

Tobacco companies will use additives and filler in the marijuana they sell. They won't sell little baggies like some of us are familiar with, they will most likely sell them in cigarette form. They will most likely be blended with tobacco, and therefore nicotine, a known chemically addictive substance.

All this is probably fine excepting the fact that a lot of marijuana smokers are not cigarette smokers.
Marijuana in its 'pure' form is not addictive in the way cigarettes are. Legalization will make it that way.

There's no real proof that marijuana causes lung cancer and things the way cigarettes do. Legalization will change that.,

All of this is a good reason that marijuana should not be regulated. But if it is decriminalized it would have to be regulated so that the rich could get richer. Making sure that happens is, after all, the primary purpose of government.

 

[susanann]

Making sure that happens is, after all, the primary purpose of government.

No, the primary purpose is to make us safer.

Does anyone? feel safer knowing that every day our police are arresting 3000 smokers

..........instead of arresting murderers and rapists?