Marijuana

[susanann]

and lets look at crime where drugs are legal - http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/Netherlands/Provincie_Noord_Holland/Amsterdam-463377/Warnings_or_Dangers-Amsterdam-Pick_Pocketing_Street_crime-BR-1.html

That is a totally different country, different culture.

My gosh!! ......people cannot even carry a concealed handgun over there.

No need to look at foreign countries, or foreign cultures.

I also think most Americans are now becoming familiar with how inept and corrupt the Dutch police and Dutch courts are, with their attitudes toward crime, with how ineffective they are in preventing crime, etc. with all the publicity of the Natalee Holloway case. You could not have picked a worse foreign alien culture to compare with.

Just look at our own United States prior to 1920 when all drugs were legal, and see how much crime ( how little crime), and in particular: drug related crime, that we had back then.

 

[leoji]

I have read a few of the posts... Speaking from experiance and having a past with pot let me say first that the 10 + years smoking week was the least productive and the farthest away from God I have ever been. Personally I dont see how I can actively and productivly serve Christ being stoned!

When I was stoned I was more open the worldly and carnal temptation, this is also true with drinking. We are to have the Mind of Christ and now for the life of me I cant see how pot can be a part of it.

When we call our selves Christian and try to live for Christ, how will we pe percieved when others see us stoned or drinking? Personally I think we lose credibility.

Christ calls us to be "In the World but not of the world".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Everything we do we need to show who we serve. Actually everything we do does show who we serve. Show the world you serve Christ

 

[marblehead]

I also think most Americans are now becoming familiar with how inept and corrupt the Dutch police and Dutch courts are with all the publicity of the Natalee Holloway case. You could not have picked a worse foreign alien culture to compare with.

Give me a break! The Dutch suck because some idiotic American teenager was probably killed on Dutch land?
You do know that people go missing all the time in the U.S. and are never seen again?

This Natalee Holloway case just points out how emotionally irrational people can be once they are brainwashed by infotainment.

 

[k]

drugs remain illegal because the current policy makers make far too much profit in too many directions...it has NOTHING to do with anything as grandiose as "morality."

 

[meebs]

I have read a few of the posts... Speaking from experiance and having a past with pot let me say first that the 10 + years smoking week was the least productive and the farthest away from God I have ever been. Personally I dont see how I can actively and productivly serve Christ being stoned!

When I was stoned I was more open the worldly and carnal temptation, this is also true with drinking. We are to have the Mind of Christ and now for the life of me I cant see how pot can be a part of it.

When we call our selves Christian and try to live for Christ, how will we pe percieved when others see us stoned or drinking? Personally I think we lose credibility.

Christ calls us to be "In the World but not of the world".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Everything we do we need to show who we serve. Actually everything we do does show who we serve. Show the world you serve Christ

cool, so you dont like it. But the point is many do, even christains. People react to pot ( and drink)in their own way. Some christians may not have the same reaction as you though. However most react in a bad way when they have too much to drink and its the same for pot. I guess moderation is the key. Not just for christians but for everybody!

You've tried it and dont like it. I see that as a good thing, it means you have a mind of your own

 

[Thirst_For_Knowledge]

I have read a few of the posts... Speaking from experiance and having a past with pot let me say first that the 10 + years smoking week was the least productive and the farthest away from God I have ever been. Personally I dont see how I can actively and productivly serve Christ being stoned!

When I was stoned I was more open the worldly and carnal temptation, this is also true with drinking. We are to have the Mind of Christ and now for the life of me I cant see how pot can be a part of it.

When we call our selves Christian and try to live for Christ, how will we pe percieved when others see us stoned or drinking? Personally I think we lose credibility.

Christ calls us to be "In the World but not of the world".

Rom 12:2 And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what [is] that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

Everything we do we need to show who we serve. Actually everything we do does show who we serve. Show the world you serve Christ

What does that have to do with its legality?

 

[meebs]

drugs remain illegal because the current policy makers make far too much profit in too many directions...it has NOTHING to do with anything as grandiose as "morality."

Sometimes when it comes to money morality and ethics are thrown out the window! Its like for example, guns are more deadly than cannibis yet the government is happy to allow them to be traded (i mean American, British etc )

 

[leoji]

cool, so you dont like it. But the point is many do, even christains. People react to pot ( and drink)in their own way. Some christians may not have the same reaction as you though. However most react in a bad way when they have too much to drink and its the same for pot. I guess moderation is the key. Not just for christians but for everybody!

Yep that just what satan wants us to think about all sin. First he minimizes it as "its not so bad"...

You've tried it and dont like it. I see that as a good thing, it means you have a mind of your own

I never said I didnt like it. You dont do something for 10 + years and not like it. The point is its really harmfull to us both spiritually and physically.

 

[k]

Yep that just what satan wants us to think about all sin. First he minimizes it as "its not so bad"...



I never said I didnt like it. You dont do something for 10 + years and not like it. The point is its really harmfull to us both spiritually and physically.

marijuana plants could also clothe every single person on the face of this earth. But, would God really want that?

 

[applepowerpc]

I prefer to keep it illegal, but I'd be willing to compromise on that in return for more religious freedoms. That's almost exactly the stand I take at Libertarian gatherings (the Libertarian platform wants to legalize it).

 

[leoji]

marijuana plants could also clothe every single person on the face of this earth. But, would God really want that?

Sure if thats what its used for! Bleach is good for cleaning cloths but do you want to drink it???

 

[meebs]

Yep that just what satan wants us to think about all sin. First he minimizes it as "its not so bad"...

This is means nothing to me.

I never said I didnt like it. You dont do something for 10 + years and not like it. The point is its really harmfull to us both spiritually and physically.

i totally apologise, i missed the 10+ years bit in your first statement!

Im aware of the risk factor of the physical, a reason that i smoke it very rarely, also it doesnt help with my erm Learning difficulties (Dyslexia), which is why i do it in moderation.

but i guess i forgot to say why i said it. Im saying just because in your opinion its bad and its satan, others may not think it is as bad, they may not hear that little voice the same way (or however you hear and know it). I remember as a christian that i was told something suited to one person may not be suitable to another - good advice even to NCs.

If it was legalised, people could take it or leave it, same with tobacco and alcohol.

 

[meebs]

marijuana plants could also clothe every single person on the face of this earth. But, would God really want that?

you mean hemp. Thats slightly different, though our goverments still give us hassle!

 

[susanann]

marijuana plants could also clothe every single person on the face of this earth.

If you read the history of marijuanna, that is why it was made illegal.

Marijuanna, hemp, had unlimited uses, and threatened to put the paper and chemical businesses out of business.

Dupont and Hearst ( who had just bought hundreds of thousands of acres of forest lands to supply paper to his newspapers) teamed up to wage a campaign outlawing marijuanna/hemp - else they feared nobody would want their chemicals, and Hearst would be stuck with hundreds of thousands of acres of worthless trees after paper from wood pulp became obsolete.

They finally got "a law" passed in 1939, but it was invalid.

It actually wasnt until 1970 that a valid law against marijuanna was in effect.

 

[NothingButTheBlood]

Songs I'm sure you will hear played the day pot is legalized:

Smokin' In The Boys Room by Brownsville Station
Everybody Must Get Stoned by Bob Dylan
Get Stoned by Hinder

Did I forget any?

Don't Bogart That Joint by Little Feat
Don't Step On The Grass Sam by Steppenwolf

 

[k]

you mean hemp. Thats slightly different, though our goverments still give us hassle!

"Since it is not possible to grow the hemp plant without
being in possession of marijuana, the United States does not
produce any industrial hemp products, and must import them
or, more often, substitute others. (There is a way to grow
hemp legally, but it involves filing an application with the
Drug Enforcement Administration and the DEA very rarely ever
gives its permission.)"
http://www.cannabis.com/faqs/hemp1.shtml

 

[k]

If you read the history of marijuanna, that is why it was made illegal.

Marijuanna, hemp, had unlimited uses, and threatened to put the paper and chemical businesses out of business.

Dupont and Hearst ( who had just bought hundreds of thousands of acres of forest lands to supply paper to his newspapers) teamed up to wage a campaign outlawing marijuanna/hemp - else they feared nobody would want their chemicals, and Hearst would be stuck with hundreds of thousands of worthless trees after paper from wood pulp became obsolete.

They finally got "a law" passed in 1939, but it was invalid.

It actually wasnt until 1970 that a valid law against marijuanna was in effect.

emphasis mine

Why do you think I said it could clothe everyone?

Levis were originally made out of hemp but the illegalization actually helped the company because cotton wears out a hell of a lot faster than hemp.

One can buy a pair of hemp jeans on Newbury St. in Boston....if you want to spend $150.

 

[meebs]

"Since it is not possible to grow the hemp plant without
being in possession of marijuana, the United States does not
produce any industrial hemp products, and must import them
or, more often, substitute others. (There is a way to grow
hemp legally, but it involves filing an application with the
Drug Enforcement Administration and the DEA very rarely ever
gives its permission.)"
http://www.cannabis.com/faqs/hemp1.shtml

oh! sorry i thought it was a plant closely related to the marijuana plant!

You need a permit to grow it in the UK. Shame you just cant grow it in your gerden as a herb (for consumption i mean!)

 

[k]

oh! sorry i thought it was a plant closely related to the marijuana plant!

You need a permit to grow it in the UK. Shame you just cant grow it in your gerden as a herb (for consumption i mean!)

No hassles.

It's about control in economics, period.

 

[leoji]

This is means nothing to me.

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What I mean is, and please search this out but sin is anything that seperates us from God. IS eating a sin? No its a nessasity but over eating to excess is a sin as it harms us physically and it has become something more important than Gods will which is to treat our bodies with respec as it is the temple of the Hols Spirit.

Anything can be a sin if it seperates us from God. Pot seperates us from many things we dont ever realize. I am a martial artist. Im my pot / drinking years I had no "want" to work out or to continue training. After a long day at work I just wanted a smoke and a beer.

Pot is really a "life" killer in that it makes you too complacent. IT really killed my urge to better myself and I have many friends I see this in their lives. I have a friend that has his masters in Business and he is a cashier, nothing wrong with being a cashier except when you have 120,000 in student loans and a degree being wasted. It for him pot is such a big part of his life it has become a ruling element