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What is your disposition on marijuana?

  • Legalize it.

  • Medical uses only.

  • Keep illegal.


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Arkanin said:
I am actually curious as to how many people agree about marijuana legalization, and if so many people agree (right now, 90% of the poll types), why isn't it legal?

I really think they (Government) make too much money off of it. 100 dollar ticket for small amounts. That has got to be a lot of money flowing in.
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
I really think they (Government) make too much money off of it. 100 dollar ticket for small amounts. That has got to be a lot of money flowing in.


Let's not forget the money the prison system is making off taxpayer money for these people. It's ridiculous the amount of inmates in prison simply for selling or possesing marijuana. :doh:
 
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KalEl76 said:
Let's not forget the money the prison system is making off taxpayer money for these people. It's ridiculous the amount of inmates in prison simply for selling or possesing marijuana. :doh:

I'm not sure there's anyone in jail for possession. I'm sure... somewhere... but, an ounce or under won't get you sent to jail, or even booked, in most places.
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
I'm not sure there's anyone in jail for possession. I'm sure... somewhere... but, an ounce or under won't get you sent to jail, or even booked, in most places.


Either way, I still think it's stupid to criminalize it.
 
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Maynard Keenan said:
I'm amazed at how support for legalizing/decriminalizing marijuana crosses all idealogical backgrounds. It seems the only people who want it illegal is the government.

With as many people having tried weed (you know most of you have), 64 percent of high school students, I believe, perhaps people realize that the anti-weed campaign by the government is a bit... weird and not truthful. I mean, just this year, they had their random 420 statement that weed was bad, without even citing any scientific sources as to why.
 
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A majority of people I know admit to having at least tried it. Myself being one of them. Firsthand experience tells me that it is not the boogeyman the government makes it out to be. And it scares me that others may discover this and then not trust what they hear about the dangers of heroin, or meth, or crack cocaine.
 
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Maynard Keenan said:
A majority of people I know admit to having at least tried it. Myself being one of them. Firsthand experience tells me that it is not the boogeyman the government makes it out to be. And it scares me that others may discover this and then not trust what they hear about the dangers of heroin, or meth, or crack cocaine.

I tried it, at a time and place where it was totally legal, for educational purposes. It did not do a thing for me. But then, neither does vicodin - I dont see why people take that for fun either.

Which is probably why, 100 years ago, when all drugs were legal, we had so very few addicts. Making them illegal is what attracts people to them - as a: "forbidden fruit"
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
I'm not sure there's anyone in jail for possession. I'm sure... somewhere... but, an ounce or under won't get you sent to jail, or even booked, in most places.

That sure isn't true here in TX. If you're going to have pot where I live you'd better watch yourself, and I know this without smoking pot.
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
I'm not sure there's anyone in jail for possession. I'm sure... somewhere... but, an ounce or under won't get you sent to jail, or even booked, in most places.


1999 report:

(it is much higher today)


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http://www.mpp.org/arrests/fas61699.html
The FAS Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin

Issue Number Seven
June 1999




Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States

by Chuck Thomas​
There were more than 700,000 marijuana arrests in the United States in 1997.[1] This was the largest number in U.S. history. Of these arrests, 87% were for possession rather than sale or manufacture. The percentage of possession arrests has been at least 80% for more than a decade, and it has been rising throughout the 1990s.

[2] The total number of annual marijuana arrests, having dipped in the 1980s, has been rising sharply since 1992.
It is often asserted that these arrests rarely lead to any substantial penalty, and that therefore the costs of the current high-arrest policy, both to those arrested and to the correctional system, are modest. Some recent figures from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) cast doubt on that assertion.

Calculations based on recent BJS reports suggest that, at any one time, 59,300 prisoners charged with or convicted of violating marijuana laws (3.3% of the total incarcerated population) are behind bars, at a total cost to taxpayers of some $1.2 billion per year. They represent almost 12% of the total federal prison population and about 2.7% of the state prison population. Of the people incarcerated in federal and state prison and in local jails, 37,500 were charged with marijuana offenses only and an additional 21,800 with both marijuana offenses and other controlled-substance offenses. Of the marijuana-only offenders, 15,400 are incarcerated for possession, not trafficking.

The Estimates: State and Federal Prisons


The BJS report provides data from the 1997 Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities.[3] According to the report, 12.9% of the drug prisoners in state prison and 18.9% of those in federal prison were incarcerated for marijuana/hashish offenses. The report uses the numbers 216,254 and 55,069 as the total numbers of state and federal inmates, respectively, for all drug offenses. Using these numbers, the total number of people incarcerated for marijuana offenses would be 27,900 in state prison and 10,400 in federal prison, for a total of 38,300 marijuana prisoners.

However, this estimate of the number of marijuana prisoners is too low, as it is based on an estimated total number of all prisoners which the BJS report notes is an underestimate.

The BJS report's estimates of the total number of drug prisoners represents 20.7% and 62.6% of the total estimated state and federal inmate populations, respectively. But the report notes that its estimated 1,046,705 state inmates and 88,018 federal inmates represent undercounts. Excluded from the BJS estimate of federal inmates were unsentenced inmates and those prisoners under federal jurisdiction but housed in state and private contract facilities. Those prisoners who were under state jurisdiction, yet held in local jails or private facilities, were excluded from the estimated number of state prisoners.[3]

An even newer BJS report provides accurate prisoner counts as of 30 June 1998 -- a total of 1,102,653 state prisoners and 107,381 federal prisoners.[4] In the Survey of Inmates, marijuana prisoners composed 2.7% of the state prison population and 11.8% of the federal population. Assuming that the proportions of drug prisoners to all prisoners -- and of marijuana prisoners to all drug prisoner -- was the same in the total prison population in June 1998 as in the population subject to the Survey of Inmates, there would be 29,800 marijuana prisoners presently incarcerated in state prisons and 12,700 marijuana prisoners presently incarcerated in the federal prison system, for a total of 42,500 marijuana prisoners.

This number is surprisingly high; the only recent published estimate, in a report by the Marijuana Policy Project issued in November 1998, put the figure at 29,300.[5]

Additional data obtained from a BJS official distinguish between offenses involving "marijuana only" and "marijuana and other drugs" (usually cocaine/crack).[6] According to the 1997 BJS prisoner surveys, 16,435 state prisoners and 8,150 federal prisoners were incarcerated for "marijuana only" offenses. Adjusting for the June 30, 1998 prisoner counts yields estimates of 17,600 state prisoners and 10,000 federal prisoners incarcerated for offenses involving only marijuana, for a total of 27,600 "marijuana only" prisoners.

BJS officials also estimated that 42% of state "marijuana only" prisoners and 23% of federal "marijuana only" prisoners were incarcerated for possession, not "trafficking."[7] ("Trafficking" includes "possession with intent to distribute.") Applied to the previously calculated estimates, as adjusted for the June 1998 prisoner counts, there would be 7,400 state prisoners and 2,300 federal prisoners incarcerated for marijuana possession only, for a total of 9,700 prisoners.
 
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susanann said:
1999 report:

(it is much higher today)


-----------------------------------------------
http://www.mpp.org/arrests/fas61699.html
The FAS Drug Policy Analysis Bulletin

Issue Number Seven
June 1999




Marijuana Arrests and Incarceration in the United States

by Chuck Thomas​
There were more than 700,000 marijuana arrests in the United States in 1997.[1] This was the largest number in U.S. history. Of these arrests, 87% were for possession rather than sale or manufacture. The percentage of possession arrests has been at least 80% for more than a decade, and it has been rising throughout the 1990s.

[2] The total number of annual marijuana arrests, having dipped in the 1980s, has been rising sharply since 1992.
It is often asserted that these arrests rarely lead to any substantial penalty, and that therefore the costs of the current high-arrest policy, both to those arrested and to the correctional system, are modest. Some recent figures from the Justice Department's Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) cast doubt on that assertion.

Calculations based on recent BJS reports suggest that, at any one time, 59,300 prisoners charged with or convicted of violating marijuana laws (3.3% of the total incarcerated population) are behind bars, at a total cost to taxpayers of some $1.2 billion per year. They represent almost 12% of the total federal prison population and about 2.7% of the state prison population. Of the people incarcerated in federal and state prison and in local jails, 37,500 were charged with marijuana offenses only and an additional 21,800 with both marijuana offenses and other controlled-substance offenses. Of the marijuana-only offenders, 15,400 are incarcerated for possession, not trafficking.

The Estimates: State and Federal Prisons


The BJS report provides data from the 1997 Survey of Inmates in State and Federal Correctional Facilities.[3] According to the report, 12.9% of the drug prisoners in state prison and 18.9% of those in federal prison were incarcerated for marijuana/hashish offenses. The report uses the numbers 216,254 and 55,069 as the total numbers of state and federal inmates, respectively, for all drug offenses. Using these numbers, the total number of people incarcerated for marijuana offenses would be 27,900 in state prison and 10,400 in federal prison, for a total of 38,300 marijuana prisoners.

However, this estimate of the number of marijuana prisoners is too low, as it is based on an estimated total number of all prisoners which the BJS report notes is an underestimate.

The BJS report's estimates of the total number of drug prisoners represents 20.7% and 62.6% of the total estimated state and federal inmate populations, respectively. But the report notes that its estimated 1,046,705 state inmates and 88,018 federal inmates represent undercounts. Excluded from the BJS estimate of federal inmates were unsentenced inmates and those prisoners under federal jurisdiction but housed in state and private contract facilities. Those prisoners who were under state jurisdiction, yet held in local jails or private facilities, were excluded from the estimated number of state prisoners.[3]

An even newer BJS report provides accurate prisoner counts as of 30 June 1998 -- a total of 1,102,653 state prisoners and 107,381 federal prisoners.[4] In the Survey of Inmates, marijuana prisoners composed 2.7% of the state prison population and 11.8% of the federal population. Assuming that the proportions of drug prisoners to all prisoners -- and of marijuana prisoners to all drug prisoner -- was the same in the total prison population in June 1998 as in the population subject to the Survey of Inmates, there would be 29,800 marijuana prisoners presently incarcerated in state prisons and 12,700 marijuana prisoners presently incarcerated in the federal prison system, for a total of 42,500 marijuana prisoners.

This number is surprisingly high; the only recent published estimate, in a report by the Marijuana Policy Project issued in November 1998, put the figure at 29,300.[5]

Additional data obtained from a BJS official distinguish between offenses involving "marijuana only" and "marijuana and other drugs" (usually cocaine/crack).[6] According to the 1997 BJS prisoner surveys, 16,435 state prisoners and 8,150 federal prisoners were incarcerated for "marijuana only" offenses. Adjusting for the June 30, 1998 prisoner counts yields estimates of 17,600 state prisoners and 10,000 federal prisoners incarcerated for offenses involving only marijuana, for a total of 27,600 "marijuana only" prisoners.

BJS officials also estimated that 42% of state "marijuana only" prisoners and 23% of federal "marijuana only" prisoners were incarcerated for possession, not "trafficking."[7] ("Trafficking" includes "possession with intent to distribute.") Applied to the previously calculated estimates, as adjusted for the June 1998 prisoner counts, there would be 7,400 state prisoners and 2,300 federal prisoners incarcerated for marijuana possession only, for a total of 9,700 prisoners.

That's just crazy. I'm glad I live where I do.
 
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AmariJah said:
Another important point in supporting the legalization of marijuana is that it's cousin the Hemp plant is also illegal in the United States because they look almost indentical except the Hemp plant has no THC which is the chemical substance which induces euphoria. The Hemp plant is perhaps the most useful and valuable plant on this entire planet. Every single part of the plant can be used- the fibers create rope and cloth which is strong and durable. And compared to an acre of cotton the Hemp produces a great deal more than cotton with no chemicals necessary. The Hemp seed is perhaps the single most nutritious thing on earth- the nutty flavored seeds are extremely high in a balanced protein and they contain higher concentrations of the Omega oils than even flax seed. Once again for making cloth, paper, rope or as a food source this plant which grows like a weed (no pun intended) produces more acre for acre than any other competitor. But- it is illegal because the US Govt. believes it is a dangerous drug!? 2 of my family members have been continuous marijuana users for over 30 years and they are both very productive and healty individuals in their respective communities. Oftentimes the same cannot be said for alcoholics.

i take hemp oil! Supposed to help with memory and stuff (im using it by trail to see if it works). Oh dear, im going on holiday to the states - does that mean i cant take it with me? Plus if they give me blood tests id be in trouble? :eek:

im serious, somebody help!

Also id love to by hemp clothing and i already eat it (in pasta i mean not clothing)

http://www.motherhemp.com/

:cry:

Yes i agree with you its wonderful stuff.
 
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thirstforknowledge said:
That's just crazy. I'm glad I live where I do.

Detroit.

The actual marijuana laws differ in a lot of places. Some places (like California, I believe) actually have marijuana decriminalized. norml.org is a great place to start looking up each individual law.
 
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jellybean said:
i take hemp oil! Supposed to help with memory and stuff (im using it by trail to see if it works). Oh dear, im going on holiday to the states - does that mean i cant take it with me? Plus if they give me blood tests id be in trouble? :eek:

im serious, somebody help!

Also id love to by hemp clothing and i already eat it (in pasta i mean not clothing)

http://www.motherhemp.com/

:cry:

Yes i agree with you its wonderful stuff.

I think(but don't quote me) that the hemp oil is legal. I own products with hemp oil in them, bought them at the store, so you should be fine. Also, there is no reason anyone would blood test you and even if they did the would be testing for THC metabolites, and there is no THC in hemp oil.
 
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