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How so? As a recreational drug, marijuana is no different than spending the money on cigarettes, alcohol, pizza, or ice cream--it's money spent on indulgance, enjoyment, and good feelings.
i smoked pot for 5 years daily. I wasted about $40-$60 a day on it. Not only was it a waste of money it WAS damaging to my body, far worse than fast food or anything like that. I was sick all the time and always coughing, etc.... i think it is horrible for anyone to try and justify using it. Even if it is legal, it doesnt mean its ok to do it. Alcohol is legal but it is still wrong as well.
 
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We as humans have a way of always misusing plants,herbs and food to satisfy our need for getting high. I don't believe getting high from the misuse of any of them is what God had in mind. Man has this special gift of screwing up everything he puts his hands on.
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Weed is not abusive to the body.
it is very bad for the body

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What is marijuana?
Marijuana (grass, pot, weed) is the common name for a crude drug made from the plant Cannabis sativa. The main mind-altering (psychoactive) ingredient in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), but more than 400 other chemicals also are in the plant. A marijuana "joint" (cigarette) is made from the dried particles of the plant. The amount of THC in the marijuana determines how strong its effects will be. The type of plant, the weather, the soil, the time of harvest, and other factors determine the strength of marijuana. The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970s. This more potent marijuana increases physical and mental effects and the possibility of health problems for the user. Hashish, or hash, is made by taking the resin from the leaves and flowers of the marijuana plant and pressing it into cakes or slabs. Hash is usually stronger than crude marijuana and may contain five to ten times as much THC. Pure THC is almost never available, except for research. Substances sold as THC on the street often turn out to be something else, such as PCP.


What are some of the immediate effects of smoking marijuana?
Some immediate physical effects of marijuana include a faster heartbeat and pulse rate, bloodshot eyes, and a dry mouth and throat. No scientific evidence indicates that marijuana improves hearing, eyesight, and skin sensitivity. Studies of marijuana's mental effects show that the drug can impair or reduce short-term memory, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to do things which require concentration, swift reactions, and coordination, such as driving a car or operating machinery.

Are there any other adverse reactions to marijuana?
A common bad reaction to marijuana is the "acute panic anxiety reaction." People describe this reaction as an extreme fear of "losing control," which causes panic. The symptoms usually disappear in a few hours.

What about psychological dependence on marijuana?
Long-term regular users of marijuana may become psychologically dependent. They may have a hard time limiting their use, they may need more of the drug to get the same effect, and they may develop problems with their jobs and personal relationships. The drug can become the most important aspect of their lives.

What are the dangers for young people?
One major concern about marijuana is its possible effects on young people as they grow up. Research shows that the earlier people start using drugs, the more likely they are to go on to experiment with other drugs. In addition, when young people start using marijuana regularly, they often lose interest and are not motivated to do their schoolwork. The effects of marijuana can interfere with learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills. Research shows that students do not remember what they have learned when they are "high".

How does marijuana affect driving ability?
Driving experiments show that marijuana affects a wide range of skills needed for safe driving -- thinking and reflexes are slowed, making it hard for drivers to respond to sudden, unexpected events. Also, a driver's ability to "track" (stay in lane) through curves, to brake quickly, and to maintain speed and the proper distance between cars is affected. Research shows that these skills are impaired for at least 4-6 hours after smoking a single marijuana cigarette, long after the "high" is gone. If a person drinks alcohol, along with using marijuana, the risk of an accident greatly increases. Marijuana presents a definite danger on the road.

Does marijuana affect the human reproductive system?
Some research studies suggest that the use of marijuana during pregnancy may result in premature babies and in low birth weights. Studies of men and women may have a temporary loss of fertility. These findings suggest that marijuana may be especially harmful during adolescence, a period of rapid physical and sexual development.

How does marijuana affect the heart?
Marijuana use increases the heart rate as much as 50 percent, depending on the amount of THC. It can cause chest pain in people who have a poor blood supply to the heart - and it produces these effects more rapidly than tobacco smoke does.

How does marijuana affect the lungs?
Scientists believe that marijuana can be especially harmful to the lungs because users often inhale the unfiltered smoke deeply and hold it in their lungs as long as possible. Therefore, the smoke is in contact with lung tissues for long periods of time, which irritates the lungs and damages the way they work. Marijuana smoke contains some of the same ingredients in tobacco smoke that can cause emphysema and cancer. In addition, many marijuana users also smoke cigarettes; the combined effects of smoking these two substances creates an increased health risk. Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.
 
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mstodd919 said:
i smoked pot for 5 years daily. I wasted about $40-$60 a day on it. Not only was it a waste of money it WAS damaging to my body, far worse than fast food or anything like that.
If you were smoking $60 a day worth of marijuana, it probably was damaging ... that's like, what, a "pack" (14-20 joints) a day? Depending on local costs? That's no different than a chain smoker or a binge drinker. Or the guy who filmed Super-Size Me. Those who do not moderate or use responsibly are bound to see ill effects.

Also: did you have a doctor confirm that it was the marijuana that was at fault? And not just the smoke inhallation that you could have gotten regardless of what you smoked?

i think it is horrible for anyone to try and justify using it.
Why? What business is it of yours what I choose to ingest, smoke, or imbibe?

Even if it is legal, it doesnt mean its ok to do it. Alcohol is legal but it is still wrong as well.
Would you make it illegal, if you were given the choice?
 
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mstodd919 said:
i smoked pot for 5 years daily. I wasted about $40-$60 a day on it.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
i´m sorry, but that does not really qualify you to speak about moderate occasional use of it.
i mean, if someone spent the same amount of money on chocolate, i wouldn´t consider his opinion about the negative of chocolate as reprensentational or generally valid, either.
please don´t take this personally - it certainly isn´t meant that way. :)
 
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I will see your link and raise you a link.

See: Marijuana and the Human Body

The main mind-altering (psychoactive) ingredient in marijuana is THC (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), but more than 400 other chemicals also are in the plant.

Of the 421 chemicals in marijuana, only 61 are unique to marijuana. The chemicals are known as cannabinoids. One of them, delta-9 THC, produces the psychoactive effect and is the focus of most research. The other 360 chemicals in the marijuana plant are found throughout other natural substances.

The strength of today's marijuana is as much as ten times greater than the marijuana used in the early 1970s. This more potent marijuana increases physical and mental effects and the possibility of health problems for the user.

The higher potency marijuana grown in the United States represents about half of all the marijuana consumed here. Because of it's higher potency many smokers use far less of it than less potent marijuana.


Some immediate physical effects of marijuana include a faster heartbeat and pulse rate, bloodshot eyes, and a dry mouth and throat.
Actually true!

Marijuana smoke irritates the lungs. Heavy exposure of the lungs to irritation such as smoke increases the likelihood of lung cancer and other lung problems. Marijuana speeds the heartbeat and is unhealthy for people with high blood pressure or other cardiovascular ailments.

Of course, the same can be said of tobacco ...

Studies of marijuana's mental effects show that the drug can impair or reduce short-term memory, alter sense of time, and reduce ability to do things which require concentration, swift reactions, and coordination, such as driving a car or operating machinery.
After reviewing all of the evidence, the [National] Academy [of Sciences] concluded: "There is not yet any conclusive evidence as to whether prolonged use of marijuana causes permanent changes in the nervous system or sustained impairment of brain function and behavior in human beings". "Interpretation of the evidence linking marijuana to 'amotivational syndrome' is difficult. Such symptoms have been known to occur in the absence of marijuana. Even if there is an association between this syndrome and the use of marijuana, that does not prove that marijuana causes the syndrome." [This can be applied to large swaths of the paste you made.]

Some research studies suggest that the use of marijuana during pregnancy may result in premature babies and in low birth weights. Studies of men and women may have a temporary loss of fertility. These findings suggest that marijuana may be especially harmful during adolescence, a period of rapid physical and sexual development.
Marijuana does reduce the sperm count and obstruct sperm mobility in males within the normal range. These side-effects do not seem to affect human fertility, and are completely reversible thirty days after cessation of use. Marijuana, like other drugs, crosses the placenta. While the effects of this are unknown and there is no evidence that marijuana causes chromosome damage, we advise women to avoid the use of marijuana, tobacco, alcohol, or other drugs not prescribed by their physician during pregnancy and nursing.

And I raise you a link ...

The History of Marijuana Criminalization:

Marijuana first earned recognition as an intoxicant in the 1920s and 1930s. Recreational use of the drug became associated primarily with Mexican-American immigrant workers and the African-American jazz musician community. It was during this time that hemp was renamed "marihuana" and the plant's long-standing history as a cash crop was replaced with a new image: "The Devil's Weed."

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n 1930, the federal government founded the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (FBN), headed by Commissioner Harry Anslinger. The group launched a misinformation campaign against the drug and enrolled the services of Hollywood and several tabloid newspapers.Exaggerated accounts of violent crimes committed by immigrants reportedly intoxicated by marijuana became popularized. Once under the influence of the drug, criminals purportedly knew no fear and lost all inhibitions. For example, a news bulletin issued by the FBN in the mid-1930s purported that a user of marijuana "becomes a fiend with savage or 'cave man' tendencies. His sex desires are aroused and some of the most horrible crimes result. He hears light and sees sound. To get away from it, he suddenly becomes violent and may kill." [...]

Congress held only two hearings to debate the merits of marijuana prohibition. The hearings totaled just one hour. [...] Headlines across the nation began publicizing alleged reports of insanity and violence induced by "reefer-smoking."


The American Medical Association (AMA) represented the lone voice against marijuana prohibition before Congress. AMA Legislative Counsel Dr. William C. Woodward testified, "There is no evidence" that marijuana is a dangerous drug. Woodward challenged the propriety of passing legislation based only on newspaper accounts and questioned why no data from the Bureau of Prisons or the Children's Bureau supported the FBN's position. He further argued that the legislation would severely compromise a physician's ability to utilize marijuana's therapeutic potential. Surprisingly, the committee took little interest in Woodward's testimony and told the physician, "If you want to advise us on legislation, you ought to come here with some constructive proposals ... rather than trying to throw obstacles in the way of something that the federal government is trying to do."
 
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mstodd919 said:
it is very bad for the body

I said it was harmful. It is not abusive, nor "very" bad. Not like alcohol and tabacco.

Are there any other adverse reactions to marijuana?
A common bad reaction to marijuana is the "acute panic anxiety reaction." People describe this reaction as an extreme fear of "losing control," which causes panic. The symptoms usually disappear in a few hours.

I have a friend who used to smoke, and he stopped because he had massive panic trips every time he smoked. These trips have always remained a mystery to me though, sense I've never had one. Might just be me though.


What about psychological dependence on marijuana?
Long-term regular users of marijuana may become psychologically dependent. They may have a hard time limiting their use, they may need more of the drug to get the same effect, and they may develop problems with their jobs and personal relationships. The drug can become the most important aspect of their lives.

Addiction is a problem whether it's to weed, coke, or chocolate.


How does marijuana affect driving ability?
Driving experiments show that marijuana affects a wide range of skills needed for safe driving -- thinking and reflexes are slowed, making it hard for drivers to respond to sudden, unexpected events. Also, a driver's ability to "track" (stay in lane) through curves, to brake quickly, and to maintain speed and the proper distance between cars is affected. Research shows that these skills are impaired for at least 4-6 hours after smoking a single marijuana cigarette, long after the "high" is gone. If a person drinks alcohol, along with using marijuana, the risk of an accident greatly increases. Marijuana presents a definite danger on the road.

That's why you don't drive stoned, much the same way you don't drive drunk.


Can marijuana cause cancer?
Marijuana smoke has been found to contain more cancer-causing agents than is found in tobacco smoke. Examination of human lung tissue that had been exposed to marijuana smoke over a long period of time in a laboratory showed cellular changes called metaplasia that are considered precancerous. In laboratory test, the tars from marijuana smoke have produced tumors when applied to animal skin. These studies suggest that it is likely that marijuana may cause cancer if used for a number of years.

That's nice. Now show me the a someone that got cancer from weed and weed alone.

And yes, cigarettes along with weed are a very bad combination. It got the point where I couldn't laugh without coughing, where I gagged everytime I took a hit off a joint. So I cut cigarettes and laughing more than ever. :)

If you were smoking $60 a day worth of marijuana, it probably was damaging ... that's like, what, a "pack" (14-20 joints) a day? Depending on local costs? That's no different than a chain smoker or a binge drinker. Or the guy who filmed Super-Size Me. Those who do not moderate or use responsibly are bound to see ill effects.

We don't really measure in "packs". I use ounces. An ounce of smoke will make about 30 joints, and should last the average smoker about a week to 10 days. I pay about 35$ for a 3/4th ounce baggie, and that lasts me about week.

However it depends on the strain of smoke. I'm not sure what I get, but it's below skunk. There are some strains that can cost hundreds of dollars for an once, like krypt. You'ld have to rob a store to afford a pound of it.
 
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JustJack! said:
We don't really measure in "packs". I use ounces. An ounce of smoke will make about 30 joints, and should last the average smoker about a week to 10 days. I pay about 35$ for a 3/4th ounce baggie, and that lasts me about week.
Goes to show how connected I am to the underground Mary Jane scene. ^_^ My marijuana use wasn't even in a rolled joint; it was smoked from a little ceramic cylinder thing that was designed to look, from a distance, like a half-burned cigarette. The weed holder looked like a cigarette case. [I'm sure there's some cool user slang for it, but "little ceramic cylinder thingie" works for me!]

$35 for a 3/4 ounce baggie? Now I REALLY wonder how much of an abuser mstodd919 was!!! :eek:
 
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WOW! 7 pages, looks like i hit a nerve with a few of you. Let me clarify my point a little and comment on what i've read here so far.

Those of you who are Christian say that marijuana use is a sin because it damages your body.
My problem with this is that marijuana is only harmful if you abuse it. Smoking a joint once in a while isn't going to shave years off your life and its not going to ruin your life (legal retributions aside)

Those of you who are Christian also say that one who uses marijuana is not thinking about God anymore and is acting selfishly.
Many other religions use marijuana as a means to get closer to god. Also, god made marijuana. Even if you eat it, you feel the effects.

Marijuana is just as ready for abuse as anything; eating, drinking, sex, ect.

A few of you seem to be stretching the argument saying that it ruins your life because you spent 40-60$ a day on weed. That is clearly abuse. One who spends maybe 40$ a month would not be abusing it.

Also, many times when i myself am high, i think about much more about God and religion. You could argue that i smoke to get closer to god. It makes everything i see ad hear more beautiful and more enjoyable. Something as simple as a flower that we all take granted makes me stop now. Weed has helped me enjoy the simpler things in life , that god created, more then anything else.

The point i have been trying to make is that marijuana use specifically should not be a sin, but what comes along with it. Something as simple as a good book that made you want to m
 
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We don't really measure in "packs". I use ounces. An ounce of smoke will make about 30 joints, and should last the average smoker about a week to 10 days. I pay about 35$ for a 3/4th ounce baggie, and that lasts me about week.

However it depends on the strain of smoke. I'm not sure what I get, but it's below skunk. There are some strains that can cost hundreds of dollars for an once, like krypt. You'ld have to rob a store to afford a pound of it.

Sry man but your not talking about weed. No matter how ****** your weed was, 3/4 and ounce would not cost 35$. Your lying, and i'm pretty sure that a sin. 3/4 a ounce of real weed would last a smoker alost 2 months alteast.
 
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Goes to show how connected I am to the underground Mary Jane scene. ^_^ My marijuana use wasn't even in a rolled joint; it was smoked from a little ceramic cylinder thing that was designed to look, from a distance, like a half-burned cigarette. The weed holder looked like a cigarette case. [I'm sure there's some cool user slang for it, but "little ceramic cylinder thingie" works for me!]

Called a one-hitter. They come in a couple sizes, and in a variety of designs. Mine is the longer version of a cigarette. I like to take it to the fair, get high and ride some of the rides. And my case is an empty Zippo lighter case. :D

$35 for a 3/4 ounce baggie? Now I REALLY wonder how much of an abuser mstodd919 was!!!

Not quite, he might have just been buying the really, really good stuff. My point was that smoking weed won't put you in the poor house.

Sry man but your not talking about weed. No matter how ****** your weed was, 3/4 and ounce would not cost 35$. Your lying, and i'm pretty sure that a sin. 3/4 a ounce of real weed would last a smoker alost 2 months alteast.

A. I am not lying, and I'll buy you an ounce if you can actually prove I'm lying. I may lie about personal details that are nobody's business, but I have no reason to lie about this.

B. Sin? Do I look like I'm in anyway interested in the concept of sin? Though I find it funny you call me a sinner for lying, but have nothing to say about my smoking. A bit convoluted, don't ya think?

3/4ths an ounce of weed can last 2 months??? Lets round it off and call it an ounce. That's about 30 joints. For that to last months is a half a joint per day. No it's very possible to get trashed on a half joint, but that kind of stuff comes with a 3 digit price tag.

Like I said, I don't even have skunk quality smoke.
 
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Doesn't matter, even the worste stuff is at the very least 100, and after that its not even worth it. You would haffa smoke like 15 joints.

You must live in New York.

Well, that may be how it works where ever the hell you are, but things work differently down here.

Not saying that everyone can get what I get at the price I get it. Round here, an ounce runs about 70$, 120 if it's skunk, which it rarely is. I'm just better connected than most.
 
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Steve Rogers said:
One last thing. The argument about the obeying the law of the land is a joke because abortion is a big no-no but its still legal.

Paul called upon us to obey the laws as, arguably, did Jesus, at a time when many of the laws were unjust.

Christians are called to obey those laws that don't violate God's law. Deciding which ones violate God's law and what to do about it is a non-trivial matter :)

If everybody only obeyed those laws that were convenient or profitable to them we would have chaos.

OTOH I won't pretend that I don't speed from time to time.
 
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Robert the Pilegrim said:
Paul called upon us to obey the laws as, arguably, did Jesus, at a time when many of the laws were unjust.

Christians are called to obey those laws that don't violate God's law. Deciding which ones violate God's law and what to do about it is a non-trivial matter.

I'm not so sure about that, considering the picking of the corn in Matthew 12.

I think, regarding those smoking marijuana (and especially those doing so for medical reasons) Christ would say, "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice." (Matthew 12:7)

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Charlie V said:
I'm not so sure about that, considering the picking of the corn in Matthew 12.

I think, regarding those smoking marijuana (and especially those doing so for medical reasons) Christ would say, "I will have mercy, and not sacrifice." (Matthew 12:7)

Charlie
What is the primary law? Love God and the second is like it, love your neighbor as yourself.
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There is no question in my mind that Christ would sanction smoking marijuana for legitamate medical reasons, but quite honestly I wouldn't want to be around if he came upon some middle class slackers puffing on a joint complaining how put upon they are and justifying why they were spending a significant chunk of change on their favorite method of mind alternation.

But that is not specific to the drug, it has to do with the lifestyle or waste thereof.

And I'm not claiming that describes all mj smokers. But ultimately pot isn't legal and in most cases it doesn't qualify as a necessity.

Two more comments before I disappear:
Just because a law is stupid doesn't mean you should break it.
Doing something illegal in secret doesn't count as civil disobediance.
 
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Steve Rogers said:
WOW! 7 pages, looks like i hit a nerve with a few of you. Let me clarify my point a little and comment on what i've read here so far.

Those of you who are Christian say that marijuana use is a sin because it damages your body.
My problem with this is that marijuana is only harmful if you abuse it. Smoking a joint once in a while isn't going to shave years off your life and its not going to ruin your life (legal retributions aside)

Those of you who are Christian also say that one who uses marijuana is not thinking about God anymore and is acting selfishly.
Many other religions use marijuana as a means to get closer to god. Also, god made marijuana. Even if you eat it, you feel the effects.

Marijuana is just as ready for abuse as anything; eating, drinking, sex, ect.

A few of you seem to be stretching the argument saying that it ruins your life because you spent 40-60$ a day on weed. That is clearly abuse. One who spends maybe 40$ a month would not be abusing it.

Also, many times when i myself am high, i think about much more about God and religion. You could argue that i smoke to get closer to god. It makes everything i see ad hear more beautiful and more enjoyable. Something as simple as a flower that we all take granted makes me stop now. Weed has helped me enjoy the simpler things in life , that god created, more then anything else.

The point i have been trying to make is that marijuana use specifically should not be a sin, but what comes along with it. Something as simple as a good book that made you want to m

I smoked pot for 11 years and had some of the same feelings as you have pointed out. I only know what it did to me and saw what happened to those close to me.
Pot to me was always a thinking mans high and I loved the feeling it gave my mind. I felt like I was in touch with God and somehow getting closer to him and seeing true light. After a year or so the dark side of the drug began to blanket my life casting a thick fog over who I once was. Finding time to smoke was the one thing that everything else revolved around.
It changed me drawing me into a world of fantasy and voyages in dreams and visions of deceit.
As the old saying goes(If it feels good do it) is the tool of the dark side and they are masters at using it to pull you in and take control.
Be very careful of feelings and thoughts because what appears to be a light can be disguised and once you step into the light the inner sphere is nothing but a pit of darkness.
I can't speak for anybody but myself but there was not one time that my conscience didn't tell me to leave it alone. For 11 years I turned a deaf ear to the voice and did my own thing.
It's a sad thing when you can stand in front of a mirror and not recognize who you are.
 
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If u ask me they should forbiden to smokeing, and marjuani that is bad for the body, what would you think if you gave someoen a great gift, and then they started to abuse you gift destroying it.

The quality of your arguement matches the quality of your typing.

Might wanna think up some Constitutionally acceptable arguements if you don't to be laughed out of a debate.
 
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