Uphill Battle
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just don't feel it's deserved, I guess.Try as hard as you might, you can't make *everyone* hate you.
A genuine "thank you" should be genuinely accepted.
Mary
LOL, sometime in the future? there are at least three threads I could be bickering with you on right NOW!don't. More than likely we'll be bickering at some time in the future, and you'll regret it.
Toast Mary. I'm sorry, but I chuckle every time I read that.LOL, sometime in the future? there are at least three threads I could be bickering with you on right NOW!
Even though we do not agree on some things it is nice you are trying to keep this honest and not incourage arrguments agianst strawmen like the toast mary thing.
What do you think of them?
Amen to that!I don't believe most people who DO believe that Marian Apparitions are true, hold to the "our lady of wonder bread" apparitions.
they point to things like Fatima, Guadalupe, and that church in Egypt (name escapes me.) not to the fishstick shaped like Mary. let's try and be HALFWAY fair at least.
they said the same thing about the resurrection 2000 years ago.
truth be told, a lot of the "of lady of french toast" and water stains is rather silly, but Fatima and Lourds are examples of real apparitions of our Lady, sent by God Himself
They are hoaxes, dillusions, etc., etc. They most definately do not have a supernatural cause.
Do you think todd bentley healing revival in FLA is the same?I think they are a sign of the times and an outpouring of the Holy Spirit thats unprecedented.
Do you think todd bentley healing revival in FLA is the same?
The Supernatural with a Purpose for Humanity!
In recent history, apparitions by the Blessed Virgin Mary have been reported in unprecedented numbers, forms, and places. Many people mock them. Others disregard them as anti-intellectual. Still others explain them through New Age ideas of spiritual intentions of huge groups of people showing up, at the same time, with the same 'created reality', all seeing the same thing.
However, there are some apparitions that are neither easy to explain, nor easy to mock. The messages come true. What does it mean?
One proven and validated series of apparitions (Rwanda) had messages that were terrifying when told, horrifying when they came to pass.
The Fatima apparitions predicted another world war, even though WWI was supposed to be the 'war to end all wars'.' In these apparitions, Mary predicted the spreading of the errors of communism, if mankind didn't turn to God and renounce sin. We did, in fact, have another world war after the first one, and more besides. While communism seemed to have fallen discredited, it was not eliminated, but has since grown in power and wealth all throughout the world.
The terrors of this century just past were unprecedented in human history, and we're rapidly heading into worse.
In places all over the globe, Our Lady is working very hard to get our attention.
We owe it to ourselves and each other to at least take an intelligent look at some very stunning phenomenon. Why on earth are these things going on?
Zeitoun, Egypt
The Virgin Mary Appears to EVERYONE!
Everyone saw this. Politicians. News Reporters. Muslims. Skeptics. Tourists. Athiests. Coptics. Orthodox. Catholics. Jews. Absolutely EVERYONE saw, and could photograph this two-years duration apparition.
Starting on the eve of the 2nd of April, 1968, and lasting for two years, these apparitions took many forms including: (paraphrased or quoted directly from the website as eyewitnesses)
1. Mary first appeared in full luminous stature,wearing a long robe extending to below Her feet. She was often surrounded by bright stars, and at other times She had a shawl about Her head, and Her hands were extended forward. She was seen blessing the people who gathered to observe the miracle by waving Her hands and nodding Her holy head. At other times, She had an olive branch in Her hand. (Zeitoun is a transliterated Arabic word meaning olives. See Genesis 8:11)
2. The Virgin would walk all over the church roof, especially over the middle dome, and bowed prayerfully in front of the cross that shone, then, with a bright light.
3. She often made Her apparition with the Baby Jesus Christ in Her arms. It is not strange to see the Child Jesus Christ in an apparition; heavenly apparitions may take forms known to us, so that we can understand them.
4. The apparitions of the Virgin were accompanied with, or preceded by, the appearance of white doves that circled the church. Sometimes a lightning-like light appeared. It shone for a while and then disappeared. At other times, a luminous mist spread everywhere and it gave off the strong pleasant scent of incense that pervaded the whole place.
Unusual phenomena taking place at the time of the apparitions:
1.Doves: They differ from the normal pigeons in that they are able to fly at night; larger in size, different in shape. They appear from nowhere, do not flap their wings as they fly and disappear as they came.
2. Stars and Glowing Balls of Light: They are bigger than the usual stars and would descend quickly on the church. They were spherical in shape or like lanterns.
3. Light: appeared over the domes. It was orange or light blue. It encircled the church like a sacred halo.
4. The Cross: Though opaque, it glowed over the big dome with a phosphorescent light. Often, a very white cross appeared over one of the domes or over the Virgin Herself as She made Her apparitions.
5. Incense: Permeated the area with a strong pleasing smell and white colour.
6. Clouds: Appeared over the domes, sometimes taking the form of the Virgin.
Joab friend ME thinks you may be toasted...
jk
Toast Mary. I'm sorry, but I chuckle every time I read that.
My favorite was a report that Mary appeared in a breakfast apparition. Swirl of peanut butter.
laughed my head off. Couldn't help wondering if there would be a theological argument over whether or not she would be called "Our lady of skippy" or "Our lady of Jif"
or if there would be a synod on whether or not it was smooth, or chunky style miracle.
I remember when people in Florida were going crazy about the windows on the side of a building in Clearwater.
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/tip/5296 There's a picture on this website....
FWIW, no, I don't follow the Mary apparitions.
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