manson

[theFijian]

Why do you guys always talk in terms of 'sin'?

The world does not evolve around Christianity, their philosphy, terminology etc, jeez.

What a strange post for a christian message board. I don't think Jesus of Nazareth would have shared your philosophy.

Personally goth/industrial metal isn't my cup of tea. I always feel that bands that have to push or overdo a certain kind of image are trying to compensate for something else which is missing.

cheers.

 

[Oblivious]

in your opinion is it a sin to listen to marilyn manson or cradle of filth?

Yes because he sucks

 

[Oblivious]

Marilyn Manson is a work. He's laughing all the way to the bank. He's a very intelligent individual and he knows how to push the buttons of people.

I agree 100%

 

[x_X]

i personally dont think god cares what we listen to...just as long as we dont put our music before him

 

[Stryper]

An individual shouldn't listen to Manson because of his redundancy and the band's reliance on d-tuning and the power chord.

so true.

 

[theFijian]

i personally dont think god cares what we listen to...just as long as we dont put our music before him

Luke 12:6,7
Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies ? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Don't be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows.

In the light of Luke 12:6-7 I would say that God takes an intimate interest in our lives and therefore does care about what we listen to. There are of course much more important things in the world than our choice of music we listen to. People can blow these things up out of all proportion and at the end of the day, there are things which are more important.

seasons greetings!

Andy

 

[headbangerdudess]

I think it is a sin, if cradle of filth is singing about raping the virgin mary and hanging Christ and manson is saying "I wont be a slave to a God that doesn't exist" There is something wrong, I think God cares what we listen to and a second thing, why would we listen to it if it didn't relate to us? Yea the music rocks and the voices are cool, but the words aren't and thats what really matters

 

[Mr.Pious]

Merilyn manson to me is a satanist. What he does is not Christian(duh) but I beleive listening to that music is like reading a fantasy book. As long as you know what the truth is and as long as you are strong enough in your faith that you could not be moved by some words and temptations of his songs. I mean he is DEFFINANTLY not a form of worship. I beleive that God isnt happy with what you are doing but just like Salvation he leaves that up to you. It is not necessarily a sin unless you fall into it. I cant think of one off the top of my head but I can garuntee you that there is a hardcore Christian band that could fulfill your need for that style of music.

-Pink Angel

Do you even know what a satanist is?

That is one of the most missused words in the Christian vocabulary.

 

[Kakadu]

Ok, so its not a sin to listen to music such as Marilyn Manson, but is it edifying for a Christian who wants to walk closely with God?

Many verses in the bible encourage us to dwell on the things of God, not of this earth.

Philippians 4: 8-9

Finally, brothers, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable- if anything is excellent or praise worthy- think about such things. Whatever you have learned or received or heard from me, or seen in me- put it into practice. And the God of peace will be with you.

That is awesome! The second I read this topic, thats the first verse that poped into my head. And NOONE has touched on it since you said it! It is pointless to say (paraphrase) "Can I get away with this?" cause seriously, thats what I am seeing in this thread. And that is NOT the question one should be asking themselves....selfishness is the silent killer.
Now another thing to chew on that hasn't really been brought up, what kind of witness are you when some kid who does not know God personally, who also listens to manson, looks at you and sees you listing to that stuff, maybe even sining with him, and then thinks to himself...'well that guy listens to manson and is a Christian?' i guess i could be a Christian too...and then what kind of Christian will you disiple when they think, 'Hey I can become a 'christian' and not have to change anything about myself...'
another thing the word 'blameless' is in the New Test, 14 times... that itself should strike at you...
but this is one that really sticks out.
1 Thess 5:23
May God himself, the God of peace, sanctify you through and through. May your whole spirit, soul and body be kept blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
That whole book is good, and if you go a few verses above that one, there is some more awesome stuff.
So in a nutshell, you can do WHATEVER you want, but what kind of a witness are you? But most importantly, is what you are doing with your life helping the Kingdom of God?
Manson, he is a no go in my book. and get made at me if you want, but I myself would question how is your relationship with the Master of the universe, if I saw you listing to that junk with a cross around your neck.
Keep in mind, Matt 12:33 'a tree is recognized by its fruit'.

 

[Moros]

If you are solid enough in your belief, nothing should affect you.

 

[peanutbutter12]

Oi, more proof of the simplemindedness of Christians, we are only as good as our teachers.

Manson is an amazing ARTIST. He knows what would sell, so he did it. His music is pure genius along with his origional vocal combos to go along side. He has added a lot of diversity to that style of music. As a musician, I respect his music and what he's done in the music industry.

Now before everyone goes flipping a lid and starts flaming me. There is the other side to this. Though his music is awesome, the lyrics and message inside the music is not so great. I don't go around promoting his music telling people to listen to it. I listen to it mainly in the studio or in my own house, but not outside of there. I am happy that he has moved away from the "hate God" though.

He is in no way a "satanist". As Mr. Pious said, that is one of the excuses Xian's make when they don't like something. "Oh, he must be a satanist since he's obviousely not Xian and tells people to hate God" I especially like the ones when they wanna blame the devil on everything too... funny stuff. Anyway, that's my 2 cents.

CJ

 

[scott29]

I think it's really pretty simple. If you have to ask the question whether or not something is wrong, odds are pretty good that it is. The word of God is written on our hearts and that feeling of uncertainty may be the Spirit trying to tell you something. And just because we may not give in and murder or rape someone because the music told us to, does that mean the music is harmless or that listening to it is okay? If a person is forsaking the things of this world with things of God as the bible teaches, listening to music like Manson or anyone else that glorifies things of this world should invoke a response of uncertainty.

I disagree with the excuse "as long as you don't give into it and you're rooted in your belief, there should be no problem". To that I say you may be rooted in your belief, but are you growing in Christ? There's a difference between believing in Christ and serving Him.

 

[Christiangamer]

wow, old topic revived. I could care less.

It's all about style. I have a "believer" friend, he won't say he's christian because he has the impression that most christians are bible thumping psychos, no offense. He doesnt listen to manson, but he listens to Slayer, Demu Bergeria or whaterver, and other metal and black metal. It's just his style. He likes the sounds of the scaryness and anger.
Besides, if you've ever seen manson on tv, like talking. He's quite a smart man, scary tho.

 

[blackwasp]

Well terrasin, I somewhat agree with you. Manson definitely did have a big impact on metal, and he's definitely not the worst out there musically. Not all of his songs show an amazing amount of creativity though. In the end, if you are convicted of it, it is wrong for you to continue to listen to it.

 

[peanutbutter12]

I'm not convicted of it, are you?

CJ