Mandatory vasectomy at age 50?

[Online.Gamer.79]

Mandatory vasectomy: Alabama lawmaker proposes abortion ban response

A proposed Alabama law would require that all men get a vasectomy after they turn 50 or after the birth of their third child, whichever comes first.

The bill's sponsor, Democratic state Rep. Rolanda Hollis, said the measure gives perspective to reproductive health laws, including the state's contested abortion ban.

“It always takes two to tango," she told AL.com. “We can’t put all the responsibility on women. Men need to be responsible also.”

Hollis said the proposal is meant to "neutralize" the Human Life Protection Act passed last summer, which would make performing an abortion a Class A felony, punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison. A federal judge blocked the ban in October, and a lawsuit is pending.

If passed by the Republican-controlled state government, the bill introduced last week would require men to pay for their vasectomy. The proposal has drawn criticism from outside the state, including from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

"Yikes," Cruz tweeted Sunday. "A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything … literally!"

While the abortion ban was under consideration, Democratic state Sen. Vivian Davis Figures proposed adding an amendment to make undergoing a vasectomy a felony, but the effort failed.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that forced sterilization is unconstitutional, but during the 20th century, the federal government funded coerced sterilization of people of color, disabled people and poor people in 32 states, PBS reported.

 

[mlepfitjw]

Imma just pretend like I never heard this at all, living in Alabama currently.

 

[Brightmoon]

Yikes , forced vasectomy after 50! Well some pro birthers want to force women to give birth whether or not they’re healthy enough or even if the fetus is viable or not. I see her point but what a horror story for losing civil rights if they take it seriously.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Lol that bill even if passed will never hold up....


But it does show how so many liberals think, that they are not really liberal because they are not looking to free you or support your freedom but to do the opposite.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Lol that bill even if passed will never hold up......


But it does show how so many liberals think, that they are not really liberal because they are not looking to free you or support your freedom but to do the opposite.

I think point is it would upset men if they did not have control over there body...but those conservative men want the right to control a woman's body. There is some hypocrisy in that.

 

[.Mikha'el.]

This just makes the Rep. who proposed it look foolish. As for the abortion ban, just about every last one just gets struck down by the courts soon enough, and I question why lawmakers even bother passing such measures anyhow.

 

[Pavel Mosko]

I think point is it would upset men if they did not have control over there body...but those conservative men want the right to control a woman's body. There is some hypocrisy in that.

That makes a little more sense.

Of course it isn't really hypocrisy when you see how the courts actually deal with other related issues like child support payments, visiting rights and child custody, men get the short end of the stick when it comes to issues relating to children and the family.

 

[tulc]

Lol that bill even if passed will never hold up......


But it does show how so many liberals think, that they are not really liberal because they are not looking to free you or support your freedom but to do the opposite.

Actually it shows that Abortion laws are about controlling women's bodies and choices, not about life. A woman can give birth (maybe) two times a year, while a man can impregnate a woman every day of that same year. If you want to end abortion wouldn't it make more sense to deal with that situation? Or does the idea of controlling a man's body like that just seem...wrong to other men?
tulc(just a thought)

 

[Pavel Mosko]

Actually it shows that Abortion laws are about controlling women's bodies and choices, not about life. A woman can give birth (maybe) two times a year, while a man can impregnate a woman every day of that same year. If you want to end abortion wouldn't it make more sense to deal with that situation? Or does the idea of controlling a man's body like that just seem...wrong to other men?
tulc(just a thought)

Is it about that or is it about "Save the Fetuses"?

We have folks who are out to save the Whales... Green Peace etc. We got other people that are out to save the Outdoors like the Sierra Club... We got other groups out to save endangered species..... We got groups like PETA trying to get people from eating meat. And we got the humane society trying to lobby on behalf of cats and dogs in the pound, and being raised by puppy mills.....


And many of these people are probably more concerned with the furry critters, red wood trees and rare insects than the fetus. Even though fetuses actually show they got more consciousness and awareness than simple "tissue", and they do eventually grow into real full sized human beings.

 

[nonaeroterraqueous]

A woman can give birth (maybe) two times a year, while a man can impregnate a woman every day of that same year. If you want to end abortion wouldn't it make more sense to deal with that situation?

Liberals hate the way God arranged things, apparently.

I think point is it would upset men if they did not have control over there body...but those conservative men want the right to control a woman's body.

No...I'm sorry that I have to spell it out for you. Conservatives don't want women to have sex against their will. Ergo, women have a right to their bodies. The liberal argument is the right to murder a baby.

The real hypocrisy is how a woman in California can choose to kill her baby, and the father has no say, or she can choose to let it live and the father is on the hook for a lifetime of child support. He gets the full burden for whatever she feels like doing, but he gets no choice in any of it.

Personally, I think it's immoral to mate with a liberal, potentially putting a child's life at the mercy of a killer.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Liberals hate the way God ar'ranged things, apparently.



No...I'm sorry that I have to spell it out for you. Conservatives don't want women to have sex against their will. Ergo, women have a right to their bodies. The liberal argument is the right to murder a baby.

The real hypocrisy is how a woman in California can choose to kill her baby, and the father has no say, or she can choose to let it live and the father is on the hook for a lifetime of child support. He gets the full burden for whatever she feels like doing, but he gets no choice in any of it.

Personally, I think it's immoral to mate with a liberal, potentially putting a child's life at the mercy of a killer.

I'm a liberal I do not believe in abortion for convivence sake but when you have a case like the one of the 11 year old girl who was raped and impregnated and conservatives actually fought to force her to carry to term. Women still die from child birth, it also can cause psychological problems...it does damage to a grown woman's body and one guy called what was done to that girl and unfortunate event.

Or the case of the woman who aborted because of a medical problem that would leave her baby brain dead.

Making it illegal will not stop or slow it down. Proper sex education would do it.

 

[tulc]

Is it about that or is it about "Save the Fetuses"?

We have folks who are out to save the Whales... Green Peace etc. We got other people that are out to save the Outdoors like the Sierra Club... We got other groups out to save endangered species..... We got groups like PETA trying to get people from eating meat. And we got the humane society trying to lobby on behalf of cats and dogs in the pound, and being raised by puppy mills.....


And many of these people are probably more concerned with the furry critters, red wood trees and rare insects than the fetus. Even though fetuses actually show they got more consciousness and awareness than simple "tissue", and they do eventually grow into real full sized human beings.

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Liberals hate the way God arranged things, apparently.



No...I'm sorry that I have to spell it out for you. Conservatives don't want women to have sex against their will. Ergo, women have a right to their bodies. The liberal argument is the right to murder a baby.

The real hypocrisy is how a woman in California can choose to kill her baby, and the father has no say, or she can choose to let it live and the father is on the hook for a lifetime of child support. He gets the full burden for whatever she feels like doing, but he gets no choice in any of it.

Personally, I think it's immoral to mate with a liberal, potentially putting a child's life at the mercy of a killer.

So...that would be a "No I don't want to address the fact that men are as much a part of the abortion issue but the idea of controlling men's bodies is too hard, so instead we'll concentrate on controlling women's bodies and choices instead."?
tulc(is just making sure he understands these posts)

 

[Redwingfan9]

Mandatory vasectomy: Alabama lawmaker proposes abortion ban response

A proposed Alabama law would require that all men get a vasectomy after they turn 50 or after the birth of their third child, whichever comes first.

The bill's sponsor, Democratic state Rep. Rolanda Hollis, said the measure gives perspective to reproductive health laws, including the state's contested abortion ban.

“It always takes two to tango," she told AL.com. “We can’t put all the responsibility on women. Men need to be responsible also.”

Hollis said the proposal is meant to "neutralize" the Human Life Protection Act passed last summer, which would make performing an abortion a Class A felony, punishable by life or 10 to 99 years in prison. A federal judge blocked the ban in October, and a lawsuit is pending.

If passed by the Republican-controlled state government, the bill introduced last week would require men to pay for their vasectomy. The proposal has drawn criticism from outside the state, including from Sen. Ted Cruz, R-Texas.

"Yikes," Cruz tweeted Sunday. "A government big enough to give you everything is big enough to take everything … literally!"

While the abortion ban was under consideration, Democratic state Sen. Vivian Davis Figures proposed adding an amendment to make undergoing a vasectomy a felony, but the effort failed.

The U.S. Supreme Court ruled that forced sterilization is unconstitutional, but during the 20th century, the federal government funded coerced sterilization of people of color, disabled people and poor people in 32 states, PBS reported.

This sort of silliness doesn't give any perspective on reproductive health. It does, however, conjure up memories of the state forced sterilizations that took place in this country in the early 20th century to blacks, Indians and others, to say nothing of the forced sterilization of "undesirables" in national socialist Germany and communist China.

If this legislator thinks she is making some grand point about abortion she misses the mark. From the conservative and Christian perspective the issue has nothing to do with choices or women's bodies. It's about the murder of innocent life and nothing more.

 

[Redwingfan9]

I think point is it would upset men if they did not have control over there body...but those conservative men want the right to control a woman's body. There is some hypocrisy in that.

What about the conservative women? You do realize women are more likely to be pro-life than men don't you?

For conservatives this issue has nothing to do with choice or women's bodies. It's about the murder of innocent life and nothing more.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

What about the conservative women? You do realize women are more likely to be pro-life than men don't you?

For conservatives this issue has nothing to do with choice or women's bodies. It's about the murder of innocent life and nothing more.

Red believe it or not I do believe a unborn child is a human. If someone has unprotected sex and they decide to have an abortion for no other reason than its inconvenient that is murder. But I also believe forcing a rape victim especially a child to carry to term without the option to terminate to be just as evil. Pregnancy is potentially fatal, woman give birth and become depressed and sometimes suicidal. And then there are medical reasons, if it is going to kill mother, child or both yeah it should be on the table. Funny thing is most conservative politician agree with that. But in there quest to end abortion they harm the people who do need the procedure to save a life. And anti-abortion laws do not work they never have. Preventive Sex education works. It is one of the biggest problems, anti-abortion laws do not work. And any suggestion about sex education gets shut down hard. My mom had to have one cause she had cancer. She had to chose between the fetus that already had serious defects cause of chemo...or her 4 underage kids. Most woman who have abortions do not do it for willy nilly reasons. And most are one with in the first 2 to 3 months. The parts of the brain that feel pain and suffering, have consciousness do not form till around 28 weeks. So one of the biggest arguments the fetus's suffering is moot...because most happen in the two or three months.

 

[Redwingfan9]

Red believe it or not I do believe a unborn child is a human. If someone has unprotected sex and they decide to have an abortion for no other reason than its inconvenient that is murder. But I also believe forcing a rape victim especially a child to carry to term without the option to terminate to be just as evil. Pregnancy is potentially fatal, woman give birth and become depressed and sometimes suicidal. And then there are medical reasons, if it is going to kill mother, child or both yeah it should be on the table. Funny thing is most conservative politician agree with that. But in there quest to end abortion they harm the people who do need the procedure to save a life. And anti-abortion laws do not work they never have. Preventive Sex education works. It is one of the biggest problems, anti-abortion laws do not work. And any suggestion about sex education gets shut down hard. My mom had to have one cause she had cancer. She had to chose between the fetus that already had serious defects cause of chemo...or her 4 underage kids. Most woman who have abortions do not do it for willy nilly reasons. And most are one with in the first 2 to 3 months. The parts of the brain that feel pain and suffering, have consciousness do not form till around 28 weeks. So one of the biggest arguments the fetus's suffering is moot...because most happen in the two or three months.

The notion that a baby should be murdered simply because an evil act happened to its mother is nothing short of outrageous. As for potential death of the mother, that is a largely hypothetical situation that has no application in the real world. By the time a mothers life may be in jeopardy the baby is viable and can be born via c-section.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

The notion that a baby should be murdered simply because an evil act happened to its mother is nothing short of outrageous. As for potential death of the mother, that is a largely hypothetical situation that has no application in the real world. By the time a mothers life may be in jeopardy the baby is viable and can be born via c-section.

Red lets not argue it cause I will never agree with your view and you will never agree with mine. Lets look at facts...anti-abortion laws do not work...that is a fact. If the woman can afford it she will go to were its legal, if she can not afford it she will got to a back ally abortion. What does work is sex education. Teach our children about condoms and the pill would prevent unwanted pregnancies. My mom and dad told us all about abstinence...but they made sure we knew about condoms and the pill, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Why is is conservatives focus on something that has never worked and not on something that does

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

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[Redwingfan9]

Red lets not argue it cause I will never agree with your view and you will never agree with mine. Lets look at facts...anti-abortion laws do not work...that is a fact. If the woman can afford it she will go to were its legal, if she can not afford it she will got to a back ally abortion. What does work is sex education. Teach our children about condoms and the pill would prevent unwanted pregnancies. My mom and dad told us all about abstinence...but they made sure we knew about condoms and the pill, hope for the best and prepare for the worst. Why is is conservatives focus on something that has never worked and not on something that does

All sex education does is teach children to go have sex without consequences. It encourages the moral destruction of society. That someone may cross state lines to murder their baby should be of no concern to the state. What should be of concern is making sure God's criminal laws are enforced and that means criminalizing all murders, including abortion.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

All sex education does is teach children to go have sex without consequences. It encourages the moral destruction of society. That someone may cross state lines to murder their baby should be of no concern to the state. What should be of concern is making sure God's criminal laws are enforced and that means criminalizing all murders, including abortion.

You know I noticed something your comments are designed to make someone angry lol. Your morals, your religion, there are 7 billion people on this planet, thousands or beliefs I do not believe your moral or religious beliefs are more important than anyone elses and you have a nice day