Mandatory vasectomy at age 50?

[Isilwen]

There is no purpose to contraception other than to pursue lust. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins (lust, greed, envy, pride, sloth, wrath, gluttony). All of them have to do with bodily or worldly desires and nothing to do with following Christ. Christ said if anyone wants to follow me, let him deny himself and take up his cross.
I have determined not to have sex with any woman that does not wish to be pregnant. I control my own body and I respect the wishes of my wife. If my wife does not want to be pregnant, we don’t have sex. No need for abortion or sterilization or contraception
It was a great evil when contraception was brought into the church. We are bearing the fruits of it now, broken families, broken society, broken church. I used to believe in contraception, but God had mercy on me and allowed me to repent. I am 57 years old and my daughter is 5 years old.
Christ said you cannot serve God and money aka greed. I also believe that you cannot serve God and lust. We need repentance and self control. Stop using contraception. If you don’t want children, don’t have sex

That is not the only reason for contraception. Many women, my girlfriend and daughter included who need birth control to regulate their periods, if they don't use birth control, their periods are all over the place. My daughter, would essentially have a period three weeks out of a month. She was constantly sick to her stomach, bad cramps, etc. When my gifriend was off her birth control for a month, she had three periods in that month.

There are other reasons than what you mentioned for being on birth control.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

That is not the only reason for contraception. Many women, my girlfriend and daughter included who need birth control to regulate their periods, if they don't use birth control, their periods are all over the place. My daughter, would essentially have a period three weeks out of a month. She was constantly sick to her stomach, bad cramps, etc. When my gifriend was off her birth control for a month, she had three periods in that month.

There are other reasons than what you mentioned for being on birth control.

You can not explain that to them lol. I do not know why I even bothered trying lol. Do not lower yourself to argue with them there is the ignore option I have used it twice lol

 

[chilehed]

I think point is it would upset men if they did not have control over there body...

Being forbidden to use my body to do any darn thing that crosses my mind doesn't bother me one bit.

... but those conservative men want the right to control a woman's body.

Rather, we believe that women are subject to the same behavioral restrictions that men are. No one has the right to directly and intentionally kill an innocent human being.

 

[Online.Gamer.79]

Being forbidden to use my body to do any darn thing that crosses my mind doesn't bother me one bit.


Rather, we believe that women are subject to the same behavioral restrictions that men are. No one has the right to directly and intentionally kill an innocent human being.

Tell me something man. When my mom was getting chemo and found out she was pregnant. Did she have the right to save her life by aborting. Because you can not do chemo while being pregnant. She had no family to fall back on, our dad had just passed and she still had 4 minor children. She made a judgment call. It is a call only a woman can make. And here is a fact I have never heard of a woman having and abortion for a willynilly reason. It is not a black or white problem...and not one anti-abortion law has ever worked. You conservative's focus on your law that does not work and you do not focus on education which does work.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

There is no purpose to contraception other than to pursue lust. Lust is one of the seven deadly sins (lust, greed, envy, pride, sloth, wrath, gluttony). All of them have to do with bodily or worldly desires and nothing to do with following Christ. Christ said if anyone wants to follow me, let him deny himself and take up his cross.

I used to be on the Depo shot to manage my endometriosis-plagued periods. Having periods that come every 12-17 days and require you change your ultra tampon every 30-45 minutes isn’t exactly conducive to leading a functional, productive life. Later, I went on low-dose pills to help me get pregnant because, again, endometriosis is tons of fun and really hard thing to get pregnant with, and I was too broke to afford real fertility treatments. Now I’m 39, married, and on the pill again because it helps manage my Crohn’s Disease. Studies have shown that the hormones that stimulate your period also stimulate your intestines to contract (as every woman who enjoys diarrhea as a PMS symptom can tell you), so moderating is an effective treatment for intestinal spasms of all sorts. It’s a good thing as previously doctors relied on anti-spasmatics that could be habit-forming or be a barrier to functional living, or the good ol’ “gotta just suck it up and let it ride” treatment technique.

TMI? Well, if you want to present yourself as knowledgeable on the reasons for the use of medications, hormones, or other prescriptions you should probably know these kids of things.

Is the added benefit that when I was in the mood for safe, non-pregnancy causing sex that I could have it? Sure, of course. One of the benefits of my Crohn’s meds is that it helps me lose weight. Does that mean it’s only reason for being prescribed is for weight loss? No, of course not. Some people take it for weight loss, but for me its primary function in my life is to prevent me from going to the bathroom 49 times a day. Saying that the only reason it exists is to cater to vanity and pride would be wrong, just like saying the only reason people use hormonal birth control is to engage in lust Is wrong.

 

[Albion]

Mandatory vasectomy: Alabama lawmaker proposes abortion ban response

A proposed Alabama law would require that all men get a vasectomy after they turn 50 or after the birth of their third child, whichever comes first.

The bill's sponsor, Democratic state Rep. Rolanda Hollis, said the measure gives perspective to reproductive health laws, including the state's contested abortion ban.

Of course, it does not.



Maybe Ms. Hollis is just warming up for a run at higher office in 2022. This is about the time when people who are planning on doing just that start trying to make a name for themselves.

 

[Tropical Wilds]

Being forbidden to use my body to do any darn thing that crosses my mind doesn't bother me one bit.

My husband thought the same thing until he realized that as a white man in a society run by largely other white men meant that he never really had to think about what compromising the sanctity of self and bodily integrity actually meant. As the most non-marginalized demographic in our country, the idea of not being able to do what he wanted when he wanted however he wanted in the name of ensuring his health and quality of life or ability to provide for those around him has never actually been compromised or even challenged.

In fact, as this thread has shown, that privilege is so completely engrained in our society that he could underpay/not pay child support, abandon full-time care of a child, or take an inactive and inattentive role in the raising of an actually born child and people will blame the legal system for being slanted against men, the unfairness of the courts, the unreasonableness of women/mothers, a society that favors mothers and marginalizes the role fathers, and issue a pass for not doing their part to raise their child.

Again, in this very thread we have people complaining that a woman has no right to seek an abortion because it is murder, the child must be born, she must accept the consequences of sex is babies, but then in the very next post talking about how unfair it is that men are obligated to pay child support for 18 years and men should be able to opt out of it because they deserve a choice on if they support the child or not.

Rather, we believe that women are subject to the same behavioral restrictions that men are. No one has the right to directly and intentionally kill an innocent human being.

And the day they make legislation that if a woman is pregnant and doesn’t want to be she’s allowed to go out and kill somebody, I will be right next to you fighting against it. However, what we are talking about here is a eventual baby that is not a stand-alone, self-sustaining, viable entity. It exists solely because she does and the moment she ceases to exist, so does the pregnancy and the independent human it could create. Since it is a part of her, she has every right to decide if she wants to maintain it or end it. She has full, autonomous control of her body and health and, as such, is the only person who can decide her care.

 

[Joined2krist]

I kind of agree with this law, I'm wondering why a man will want to have a kid after 50. No offense brothers but it seems like this law will helps all parties involved, however I doubt it will pass the first reading

 

[boughtwithaprice]

That is not the only reason for contraception. Many women, my girlfriend and daughter included who need birth control to regulate their periods, if they don't use birth control, their periods are all over the place. My daughter, would essentially have a period three weeks out of a month. She was constantly sick to her stomach, bad cramps, etc. When my gifriend was off her birth control for a month, she had three periods in that month.

There are other reasons than what you mentioned for being on birth control.

Using hormones for medical reasons is not the same as contraception. Those are special circumstances, and if a person has to use them, they should not be having sex. You mention your girlfriend; are you having sex? I would assume, since this is a Christian web site, that you realize that would be a mortal sin, and you need to repent. If not, then I don't understand your objection. If there is no sex, there is no contraception.
Contrary to popular belief, sex is not a necessary function of the human body. A couple enters a sexual relationship when they are open to life. Any other reason would be for lust.

1Cor6, states
[18] Flee fornication. Every sin that a man doth, is without the body; but he that committeth fornication, sinneth against his own body. [19] Or know you not, that your members are the temple of the Holy Ghost, who is in you, whom you have from God; and you are not your own? [20] For you are bought with a great price. Glorify and bear God in your body.

We are not to use our bodies for lust, but for life


Romans 8 states

[11] And if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead, dwell in you; he that raised up Jesus Christ from the dead, shall quicken also your mortal bodies, because of his Spirit that dwelleth in you. [12] Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live according to the flesh. [13] For if you live according to the flesh, you shall die: but if by the Spirit you mortify the deeds of the flesh, you shall live.


We are called to mortify the deeds of the flesh. Sex is a deed of the flesh, and must be mortified, if we are to follow after Christ.


Christ states in Luke's Gospel 9:

[23] And he said to all: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. [24] For whosoever will save his life, shall lose it; for he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall save it. [25] For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, and cast away himself?

[26] For he that shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him the Son of man shall be ashamed, when he shall come in his majesty, and that of his Father, and of the holy angels.

 

[Isilwen]

Using hormones for medical reasons is not the same as contraception.

You did not say this in what in quoted from you which is what I objected to.

It wouldn't matter anyway as have had a vasectomy and can no longer have children. After seven children, I was done. So, whether she is on birth control when we get married matters not. I am already sterilized.

Are you saying that because I am sterilized I must refrain from sex when married?

You sound very Catholic as well, are you?

 

[Mountainmanbob]

Who got the bonus for thinking this up?
M

Follow the money.
M

 

[George95]

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