It also depends on the country you are in and their research and manufacturing procedures I myself would depend on what vaccines I would get depending on the country I live in.
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They will not be able to pass it to another person either.....most people need boosters when a teenager. And it depends aka tetanus as an example are only good 5 - 10 years then need a booster
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I know this is shot and not a vaccine, but for all intensive purposes it can have devastating effects on some...our friends daughter got the flu shot when she was 9 and within hours went into a series of symptoms none of doctors could figure out. Eventually she was diagnosed with GBS (Guillain–Barré syndrome), this can be dangerous no matter what age you are.
It is a rapid-onset weakness of the limbs as a result of an acute polyneuropathy, a disorder affecting the peripheral nervous system. The disease is usually triggered by an infection, which provokes immune-mediated nerve dysfunction. Many experience changes in sensation or develop pain, followed by muscle weakness beginning in the feet and hands that develops rapidly (between half a day and two weeks). During the acute phase, the disorder can be life-threatening with about a quarter requiring admission to intensive care unit for mechanical ventilation. Some are affected by fluctuations in the function of the autonomic nervous system, which can lead to dangerous abnormalities in heart rate and blood pressure.
The diagnosis is usually made on clinical grounds, through the exclusion of alternative causes, and supported by tests such as nerve conduction studies and examination of the cerebrospinal fluid. Various classifications exist, depending on the areas of weakness, results of nerve conduction studies, and presence of antiganglioside antibodies. In those with severe weakness, prompt treatment with intravenous immunoglobulins or plasmapheresis, together with supportive care, will lead to good recovery in the majority, although some may experience ongoing difficulty with walking, painful symptoms, and sometimes require breathing support. Guillain–Barré syndrome is rare, at one to two cases per 100,000 people annually.
One must remember that when we were are given the flu shot, it is an infection to help our bodies fight off the worst strains of the disease. In some rare cases the side effects are far worse than the benefits. This young lady will no longer be allowed to receive any type of immunization because of this. She has also been diagnosed with some other illnesses since this happened and several doctors feel that if it were not for this one event, these others would not have happened. Every day I pray for her or she in my thoughts as I think what her struggles must be like on this day. She is the oldest daughter of a Pastor with 4 siblings.
It is a rapid-onset weakness of the limbs as a result of an acute polyneuropathy, a disorder affecting the peripheral nervous system. The disease is usually triggered by an infection, which provokes immune-mediated nerve dysfunction. Many experience changes in sensation or develop pain, followed by muscle weakness beginning in the feet and hands that develops rapidly (between half a day and two weeks). During the acute phase, the disorder can be life-threatening with about a quarter requiring admission to intensive care unit for mechanical ventilation. Some are affected by fluctuations in the function of the autonomic nervous system, which can lead to dangerous abnormalities in heart rate and blood pressure.
The diagnosis is usually made on clinical grounds, through the exclusion of alternative causes, and supported by tests such as nerve conduction studies and examination of the cerebrospinal fluid. Various classifications exist, depending on the areas of weakness, results of nerve conduction studies, and presence of antiganglioside antibodies. In those with severe weakness, prompt treatment with intravenous immunoglobulins or plasmapheresis, together with supportive care, will lead to good recovery in the majority, although some may experience ongoing difficulty with walking, painful symptoms, and sometimes require breathing support. Guillain–Barré syndrome is rare, at one to two cases per 100,000 people annually.
One must remember that when we were are given the flu shot, it is an infection to help our bodies fight off the worst strains of the disease. In some rare cases the side effects are far worse than the benefits. This young lady will no longer be allowed to receive any type of immunization because of this. She has also been diagnosed with some other illnesses since this happened and several doctors feel that if it were not for this one event, these others would not have happened. Every day I pray for her or she in my thoughts as I think what her struggles must be like on this day. She is the oldest daughter of a Pastor with 4 siblings.
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Yes very valid points I am a public health educator and you are right there are many "studies" as some would point out to prove the do not vaccinate point. If you actually start by looking at/critiquing the actual study the cases were picked to prove that MMR causes autism. For many years other scientists and researchers tried to get a similar result but failed. It was a poor decision to publish this it also went against his oath which is why he was left penniless. It just so happens the recommended age to give the vaccine is the same age which autism can start to be seen. For an analogy if someone would say a rooster crowing causes the sun to come up. Kill the rooster and the sun still comes up means the rooster does not make the sun come up. Replace vaccine with rooster and autism with sun and there is the analogy it is just a coincidence.
Herd immunity let me explain this concept more as well. When one person in the house has a cold/flu it usually means more individuals of the household/family/close friends get it before it goes away. So this means the whole group of people/herd is affected. If you switch this to vaccines then if one of those people can't get a vaccine (to young, old, medical condition, ect) then they are still protected because the other people can't get the disease as well.
Hope this helps your understanding.
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This is not about abortion or euthanasia those are taking a life a vaccine is to save and protect life. I don't know where you are getting the vaccines are made of aborted babies, yes they are made/have human parts so that the researchers know it is comparable with the human DNA but its blood
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The MMR II vaccine is propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts that were obtained from two fetuses aborted in 1964.
See description section second paragraph:
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf
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I dont know how much truth there is on the fetal tissue.
BUT - measles have broke out a few places due to not getting innoculated.
Which would spread rampantly in out breaks.
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/cases-outbreaks.html
http://pediatrics.about.com/od/measles/a/measles-outbreaks.htm
Encephalitis is a complication to worry about. The brain can swell.
Before 1963 - the US used to get 500,000 people ill from the disease and 500 died.
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Measles vaccine history
"In 1963, John Enders and colleagues transformed their Edmonston-B strain of measles virus into a vaccine and licensed it in the United States. In 1968, an improved and even weaker measles vaccine, developed by Maurice Hilleman and colleagues, began to be distributed. This vaccine, called the Edmonston-Enders (formerly “Moraten”) strain has been the only measles vaccine used in the United States since 1968. Measles vaccine is usually combined with mumps and rubella (MMR), or combined with mumps, rubella and varicella (MMRV). Learn more about measles vaccine(http://www.cdc.gov/measles/vaccination.html)."
http://www.cdc.gov/measles/about/history.html
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I'm having my wisdom teeth removed this afternoon, and I have faith I will survive it despite the fact that kids have died during the procedure. I actually just read about this lovely girl who is the exact same age as me and looks like she could be my doppelgänger who went into cardiac arrest and later died after having her wisdom teeth removed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-teen-dies-after-dental-procedure/ I pleaded with my mom to let me not do the surgery, mainly because the only irrational phobia I've ever had in my life relates to dental procedures and this cranked my anxiety up to the imploding point. She said no, because it's necessary, and the risk of anything happening to me is still microscopically small. She's not one to win over with irrational pleas, and my dad is even less willing to be budged by them. We partake in the beautiful and exhilarating things that involve risk. We just got back from cruising in Antigua, where I also went sky diving. We survived the flight despite people having died in plane crashes, the cruise despite being having died on them, diving and playing in the waters despite teens recently being bitten by sharks and others having died by it, and sky diving despite parachutes having malfunctioned and people plummeting to their deaths. We should also partake in the banal and less pleasant things that involve risk but provide benefit, especially with the risks and benefits extend beyond ourselves.
Bathtubs and beds actually cause more injury to kids than vaccines, yet you never hear of Anti-Bathers or Anti-Bedders. Car accidents are ubiquitous, and the chance of being in one is exponentially higher than ever having an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Earlier this year there was a story on the news about this 23-year-old beautiful pregnant woman who was driving her Jeep Liberty, and due to a malfunction in it when she was crashed into from behind her car exploded and she and her unborn baby were incinerated. It's indisputably, indescribably tragic, but extraordinarily rare. So are life-impairing vaccine injuries. The "Vaccine Court" has awarded over two billion dollars to families who've been injured by vaccines over a 25+ year period. In some cases, medical advances later showed that genetic problems unknown at the time were actually what caused the problems rather than the vaccines themselves. In others the vaccines really did cause the harm. It's still but a thimble full in comparison to what automakers have paid out due to malfunctions in their products. In 2014 GM began its expansive compensation plan for victims of 2.6 million defective small cars any accidents in which the air bags in the cars failed to deploy, and was expected to be over $7 billion. That was for one problem.
There's risk everywhere, in everything, everyday. There are risks in vaccines. There are personal and communal risks to not vaccinating. I have compassion for those who are injured from vaccines. I also have compassion for those who are sick due to vaccine-preventable diseases. My life has been significantly impacted by them. I was born very prematurely, and as a fragile baby was scooped up by my brother's deliberately unvaccinated friend who had the chickenpox. He was four and snuck out of his own house and into ours when he saw my brother. He wasn't at fault, but this happened in 1998 when the vaccine was already available. I had severe complications from it that put me into the hospital for a long time. I later was diagnosed with Addison's Disease, which is virtually extinct now but used to be more commonly caused by tuberculosis infections destroying the adrenal gland. Because of my incompetent immune system I've been a human sponge picking anything up. I am at the mercy of the herd! I've had chickenpox, shingles, and whopping cough so far, things more common for people born at the end of the 19th century than the 20th. I also was peripherally exposed to the measles (didn't ever get it, thankfully) earlier this year and had to miss out on my last YAGP of my dance career because of a cautionary quarantine. A few years ago I also had whopping cough that was brutal, agonizing, and life-halting and took more than three months to fully recover from. It feels like having a tight corset around your chest and shards of glass in your lungs, all day, every day, for months. You don't appreciate the beauty and simplicity of breathing until you can't. I live in California and we are having a whopping cough epidemic with rates higher than they have been in 70 years, and that's been directly linked to the low vaccination rates. A preschool aged sibling got it and that caused an outbreak at a secondary school despite all the kids having received boosters. No vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate, which is why herd immunity is crucial.
I personally don't think vaccines should be mandatory but am in full support of them being requirements for attending any preschool, school, college, or camp, or participating in sports, dance, Scouts, and group activities, unless a licensed physician has provided a clear medical reason for an exemption. I'm starting Stanford in September, and your choices are you either submit your proof of immunization by June 30, you submit your doctor's letter explaining why you are exempt from the required vaccinations, or you don't go. Simple as that. It's mandatory for enrollment. My secondary school was exactly the same. Theatrics and hyperbole and Mercola are not indulged. There is a process at the school and Stanford where you can submit a form appealing the requirements on philosophical or religious grounds, but it has very strict criteria and few ever make it through. On Cardinal Connect we were talking about this, and there's basically like a better chance of hitching a ride on a flying pig. It would be nice if all schools could still offer such a process, but it's just not practical due to the time it would require.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/minnesota-teen-dies-after-dental-procedure/ I pleaded with my mom to let me not do the surgery, mainly because the only irrational phobia I've ever had in my life relates to dental procedures and this cranked my anxiety up to the imploding point. She said no, because it's necessary, and the risk of anything happening to me is still microscopically small. She's not one to win over with irrational pleas, and my dad is even less willing to be budged by them. We partake in the beautiful and exhilarating things that involve risk. We just got back from cruising in Antigua, where I also went sky diving. We survived the flight despite people having died in plane crashes, the cruise despite being having died on them, diving and playing in the waters despite teens recently being bitten by sharks and others having died by it, and sky diving despite parachutes having malfunctioned and people plummeting to their deaths. We should also partake in the banal and less pleasant things that involve risk but provide benefit, especially with the risks and benefits extend beyond ourselves.
Bathtubs and beds actually cause more injury to kids than vaccines, yet you never hear of Anti-Bathers or Anti-Bedders. Car accidents are ubiquitous, and the chance of being in one is exponentially higher than ever having an adverse reaction to a vaccine. Earlier this year there was a story on the news about this 23-year-old beautiful pregnant woman who was driving her Jeep Liberty, and due to a malfunction in it when she was crashed into from behind her car exploded and she and her unborn baby were incinerated. It's indisputably, indescribably tragic, but extraordinarily rare. So are life-impairing vaccine injuries. The "Vaccine Court" has awarded over two billion dollars to families who've been injured by vaccines over a 25+ year period. In some cases, medical advances later showed that genetic problems unknown at the time were actually what caused the problems rather than the vaccines themselves. In others the vaccines really did cause the harm. It's still but a thimble full in comparison to what automakers have paid out due to malfunctions in their products. In 2014 GM began its expansive compensation plan for victims of 2.6 million defective small cars any accidents in which the air bags in the cars failed to deploy, and was expected to be over $7 billion. That was for one problem.
There's risk everywhere, in everything, everyday. There are risks in vaccines. There are personal and communal risks to not vaccinating. I have compassion for those who are injured from vaccines. I also have compassion for those who are sick due to vaccine-preventable diseases. My life has been significantly impacted by them. I was born very prematurely, and as a fragile baby was scooped up by my brother's deliberately unvaccinated friend who had the chickenpox. He was four and snuck out of his own house and into ours when he saw my brother. He wasn't at fault, but this happened in 1998 when the vaccine was already available. I had severe complications from it that put me into the hospital for a long time. I later was diagnosed with Addison's Disease, which is virtually extinct now but used to be more commonly caused by tuberculosis infections destroying the adrenal gland. Because of my incompetent immune system I've been a human sponge picking anything up. I am at the mercy of the herd! I've had chickenpox, shingles, and whopping cough so far, things more common for people born at the end of the 19th century than the 20th. I also was peripherally exposed to the measles (didn't ever get it, thankfully) earlier this year and had to miss out on my last YAGP of my dance career because of a cautionary quarantine. A few years ago I also had whopping cough that was brutal, agonizing, and life-halting and took more than three months to fully recover from. It feels like having a tight corset around your chest and shards of glass in your lungs, all day, every day, for months. You don't appreciate the beauty and simplicity of breathing until you can't. I live in California and we are having a whopping cough epidemic with rates higher than they have been in 70 years, and that's been directly linked to the low vaccination rates. A preschool aged sibling got it and that caused an outbreak at a secondary school despite all the kids having received boosters. No vaccine has a 100% efficacy rate, which is why herd immunity is crucial.
I personally don't think vaccines should be mandatory but am in full support of them being requirements for attending any preschool, school, college, or camp, or participating in sports, dance, Scouts, and group activities, unless a licensed physician has provided a clear medical reason for an exemption. I'm starting Stanford in September, and your choices are you either submit your proof of immunization by June 30, you submit your doctor's letter explaining why you are exempt from the required vaccinations, or you don't go. Simple as that. It's mandatory for enrollment. My secondary school was exactly the same. Theatrics and hyperbole and Mercola are not indulged. There is a process at the school and Stanford where you can submit a form appealing the requirements on philosophical or religious grounds, but it has very strict criteria and few ever make it through. On Cardinal Connect we were talking about this, and there's basically like a better chance of hitching a ride on a flying pig. It would be nice if all schools could still offer such a process, but it's just not practical due to the time it would require.
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Praying for you. I know this has been weighing on your heart for a long time. You will do great!
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All you have to do is do a web search... seek and ye shall find
I would link news items like this but i cant get the links to work... if you had concerns i may be telling the truth, you would look yourself... as it is you dont really care if it is truth or not.... because you already support mandatory vaccines in your heart
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Well the Church has said it is moral to use the vaccines but we should push for alternative lines that do not use the fetal descendant line cells. But given that it is not direct or formal cooperation in evil according to Catholic moral theology and we are protecting the lives of others by doing it...Catholics can not say it is against their faith to vaccinate. There are no aborted cells in the vaccines today. They are descendant cell lines. So no one dies to make new ones and we did not have complicity in the original making. It is the same as using the medical knowledge from the Holocaust or organ donation from a murder victim. Both are not morally damaging on the user. Only to the one who killed.
http://www.ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1284
http://www.ncbcenter.org/page.aspx?pid=1284
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