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To travel into Vatican City the list of vaccines you must have to enter are the same as the ones that are required on the CDC website. So in the one Catholic theocracy you can point to.... It's mandatory to have certain vaccines to enter unless there are extenuating medical circumstances
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That's not the tiara on his coat of arms its a miter. It was big news when he specifically dropped it. He has the ornamentation of the gold bands that recall it historically. But he intentionally and specifically dropped it
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Then you broke the law of the one theocracy you can mention. Its on the travel documentation you should get to go there. I've seen it and you can look it up. Some sites have conflicting information and they don't always enforce because you really can't in practicality
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Hmmm interesting
When he abandoned his tiara Paul VI and the Vatican said he was abandoning the Temporal Powers of the papacy. Cardinal Manning, of the First Vatican Council's "De Fide" committee which passed the decree on Papal infallibility said in a speech, which was latter written down in a pamphlet form, these prophetic words about what would happen to the Church if the Pontiff were to loose his if Temporal Power.
"All I can do is to touch the mere outline of what would follow upon the dissolution, if that could be, of the Temporal Power of the Pontiffs. But first let me once for all, or rather once more for the thousandth time, sweep away the absurdity imputed to us, day by day, that we make the Temporal Power a part of Christianity, and that if it were overthrown Christianity would fall with it. This surpasses even the extravagance of controversy. We do believe, indeed, that the dissolution of the two-fold authority of the Pontiff would strike out the key stone of Christendom ; that is, of the two-fold order of Christianity and civilization which for a thousand years has sustained the commonwealth of Europe. We believe that then Christianity would stand alone, on its own divine and imperishable basis ; and that civilization without Christianity would return to the natural order, and to the spiritual death out of which Christianity raised it to life."
(pp. 19-20 of "The Temporal Power of the Pope in Its Political Aspect", 1866)
Incidently a pope can choose to wear the tiara if he so chooses
When he abandoned his tiara Paul VI and the Vatican said he was abandoning the Temporal Powers of the papacy. Cardinal Manning, of the First Vatican Council's "De Fide" committee which passed the decree on Papal infallibility said in a speech, which was latter written down in a pamphlet form, these prophetic words about what would happen to the Church if the Pontiff were to loose his if Temporal Power.
"All I can do is to touch the mere outline of what would follow upon the dissolution, if that could be, of the Temporal Power of the Pontiffs. But first let me once for all, or rather once more for the thousandth time, sweep away the absurdity imputed to us, day by day, that we make the Temporal Power a part of Christianity, and that if it were overthrown Christianity would fall with it. This surpasses even the extravagance of controversy. We do believe, indeed, that the dissolution of the two-fold authority of the Pontiff would strike out the key stone of Christendom ; that is, of the two-fold order of Christianity and civilization which for a thousand years has sustained the commonwealth of Europe. We believe that then Christianity would stand alone, on its own divine and imperishable basis ; and that civilization without Christianity would return to the natural order, and to the spiritual death out of which Christianity raised it to life."
(pp. 19-20 of "The Temporal Power of the Pope in Its Political Aspect", 1866)
Incidently a pope can choose to wear the tiara if he so chooses
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As if abandonment of the tiara wasn't enough on 4 October 1965 Paul VI visited the United Nations in New York City during the 4th session of the Second Vatican Council. There Paul VI said the United Nations was mankind's last hope of a universal organization which could bring about world peace! Paul VI then gave his papal cross and papal ring to Mr. U Thant , the General Secretary of the United Nations
Odd?
Odd?
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It's not the formal doctines that are at issue - most of them have little to do with immediate governance.
If you have a theocracy it's the detailed stuff you have to agree with - like,say, vaccinations.
Or whether government by theocracy is a good idea. If you want the church heirarchy to make the decisions of government you have to respect their decision - stated by setting aside the tiara, not to be a worldly government.
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Do you not believe the papal office has authority on earth as vicar of christ?
Does not the abandonment of the tiara and the giving up to the united nations the papal ring and cross not represent the church being handed over to the authority of this world just as christ was handed over to the authorities... Is not the church undergoing her own passion....even unto death and to its eventual resurection.
We are in the world but not part of it, is not jesus God and our king is not his church his authority... are we not under the law of the church and as such already under a theocracy.... is it not a good thing to want men to accept christ and his authority on earth as it is in heaven?
Does not the abandonment of the tiara and the giving up to the united nations the papal ring and cross not represent the church being handed over to the authority of this world just as christ was handed over to the authorities... Is not the church undergoing her own passion....even unto death and to its eventual resurection.
We are in the world but not part of it, is not jesus God and our king is not his church his authority... are we not under the law of the church and as such already under a theocracy.... is it not a good thing to want men to accept christ and his authority on earth as it is in heaven?
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If this theocracy would instill Catholic religious and moral doctrine, it would not work. Especially the moral doctrine.
A government, ultimately, requires the support of its people. If the people do not support the government, then the government will eventually fall.
The only way it can hypothetically work is if you had a very large majority Catholic population and the government censored people in some form or another. You could also rule by violent force, but I am assuming most sane Catholics (and sane people) would not resort to violently oppressing innocent people. I believe I am quite safe in that assumption, but, given how philosophy works and the positions of some individuals, I tend to abandon assumptions based on what I believe to be sane.
If the population was not majority Catholic, like in the United States, then the government would not stand. Some of the moral traditions from the Church, such as that on contraception and abortion, are very hard to impossible to argue for outside of accepting other Catholic doctrines. In other words, unless you already are Catholic and accept orthodox teaching within the Church, the Church's stance on moral issues like abortion looks like Kant's ban on lying. This leads to a very upset populace. And this is simply on very specific area of morality. We have not gotten to religious freedom and other arguments for freedom of choice, among other matters. In other words, without a majority backing, the government will fall. People generally don't like being forced to live by a set of rules from a religion they do not believe in.
If the flow of information is not controlled and certain voices are not censored, the government will experience problems. When people have a voice, anyone with a decent amount of logic and rhetoric can convince someone of an opposing view. With the freedom of information, dissenters are going to rise. Eventually, things are going to turn out to be the situation above, or, at least, enough of the population is going to oppose theocracy on political grounds.
All of this is hypothetical, however. History seems to indicate that, even when there is a group of people of one religion and the theocracy has control over the flow of information, the government eventually breaks down due to strife. The power structure of the Middle Ages is an example.
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