mandatory vaccinations

[ebia]

yeah, we do not have the draft right now, but democracies do have a history of a draft

So does every other form of government.

 

[IHOM]

Driving and vaccines are not the same issue... wearing a seatbelt closer fits the issue but is still not as serious in gravity as allowing a government the power to inject people

Driving is a licenced privilage granted by the government. The human body is a gift from god with the indivudual given the gift of free will, each made in the image and likeness of God. With the divine instrucrion to care for the body as it is the temple of the holy spirit. We are each called to discern how the body should be protected according to our conscience. There are numerous applications today that could be injected into the human body that could effect our free will our conscience and these technologies are only going to become more enhanced

 

[Davidnic]

we are going to potentially make legal requirements that children be indoctrinated into satanism/athiesm/communism (insert your opposed ideaology) here because children have the right to be protected from christianity regardless of their parents' views

How would you feel if someone was to say that to you?

Again argument from future consequence without any backup. Also a law that could never pass due to dozens of other laws on the books and constitutional protections to prevent it. It is like me saying I oppose laws against murder because Redheads have smiles. And what if somewhere down the line we were to say that it was illegal for a redhead to smile.

Since the two things are not related and for them to be related it would take changing about 30 laws and the constitution..it is just an attempt to fear monger. It is an argument to a future consequence that is not only improbable but almost impossible outside of dystopian science fiction.

Children have the freedom to not die because of the choices of their parents or other people's parents. Children are a gift from God. And our love for God is shown in how we treat that gift. Contributing to their deaths by negligence because of fear of things that do not exist is a slap in God's face. Freedom comes from God, not man. And we do not have the freedom to willfully contribute to death and sickness. It is a misuse of free will. All of the anti vaccination arguments are the cousin to the pro choice arguments. My freedom at the cost of another life.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

I know you love peacocks. I always think of you when I see them. (Hugs)

Ha, yeah all my friends seem to think of me whenever they see peacocks because of my obsessive enchantment with them. Did you make that card for me? That was so thoughtful. Hugs.

 

[WarriorAngel]

The government doesnt microscopically get involved.
PPF would worry me - but they cant get involved with our laws.

Such fears can boomerang.

 

[Chany]

Democracy is one of the worst political systems it is mob rule strengh in numbers... the masses against the individual. The majority against the minority..As an englishman i have to say America was wonderful a great Republic with great people and great leaders.... today it is a facsist tyrany with dictators obedient minions with and an idiot population. We dont need governments to tell us how to live what we need and dont need and if democracy is a flawed system i would rather that then facism/communinsm.... with the rise of the internet all 300,000,0000 americans could vote on every issue there is no need to goto the town hall. At least every man would have a voice even if the minorities have the will of the majority imposed on them

I don't get this: you do not want governments telling you what to do, but you think systems that aim to become more democratic and responsive towards their people are bad. It sounds like you either want anarchism or an authoritarian government run by philosopher kings. The whole problem with the second option is that all you really have is a government run by a select few people who can be just as likely as mob rule to be idiotic and disrespectful to rights.

This leads to the next thing: if we follow a republic government model, then the leaders are elected by certain individuals and those leaders, in turn, have to make rules. These leaders decide that, based on the need for public safety, the illogical arguments against it, and the fact the no one's rights are really being taken away, a list of vaccines for children are mandatory. Congrats, what are you going to do now in this government?

 

[marshaka777]

It is unquestionably an abomination to God to mingle the abominations in vaccines with our blood. Regardless of what the religions of men, and the filthy rags rightousness of men have to say on the topic, it IS an abomination to God and just one of the many anti-Christ wills the devil will foster upon the sleeping world in the name of 'good'.







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[Chany]

When considering legislation we must consider all posibilities we must look beyond our own lifetimes even beyond our childrens lifetimes... we have to consider the possibility of misplaced power real or imagined we need to protect liberty before we protect health... for what good does it do that a man inhearate the earth and loose his soul and what good does it do that a man should be healthy and loose his freedom
Again do not store up treasures on earth where theives can come in steal them... what good is it that a man stores up the treasure of health on earth only for men to come a kill him?

Nice slippery slope argument. By this logic alone, I can eliminate every single action the government can ever take. We can't allow for legislation regarding the police because the police might come and violate your rights or the rights of others in the future. We can't have taxes because the government might tax you unfairly in the future. So on and so forth until absurdism.

 

[Chany]

It is unquestionably an abomination to God to mingle the abominations in vaccines with our blood. Regardless of what the religions of men, and the filthy rags rightousness of men have to say on the topic, it IS an abomination to God and just one of the many anti-Christ wills the devil will foster upon the sleeping world in the name of 'good'.

How exactly are all vaccines abominations, from a Christian perspective? Sometimes they are just small, nearly-dead doses of the disease in question (at least, some of the earlier ones are).

 

[WarriorAngel]

Driving and vaccines are not the same issue... wearing a seatbelt closer fits the issue but is still not as serious in gravity as allowing a government the power to inject people

Driving is a licenced privilage granted by the government. The human body is a gift from god with the indivudual given the gift of free will, each made in the image and likeness of God. With the divine instrucrion to care for the body as it is the temple of the holy spirit. We are each called to discern how the body should be protected according to our conscience. There are numerous applications today that could be injected into the human body that could effect our free will our conscience and these technologies are only going to become more enhanced

God is the healer and He granted us the technology to find cures and in effect improve our immunities.
Unless we dont think God has a hand in medicine and helping ppl.
Is the clay greater than the Potter?

 

[WarriorAngel]

It is unquestionably an abomination to God to mingle the abominations in vaccines with our blood. Regardless of what the religions of men, and the filthy rags rightousness of men have to say on the topic, it IS an abomination to God and just one of the many anti-Christ wills the devil will foster upon the sleeping world in the name of 'good'.







.

Wow.
Hate to say this - but God [thru our fall] allows illnesses and diseases to run thru our blood all the time.
Vaccinating dead organisms to improve our immunity is not evil.

 

[EEP]

Tphp
MMR II vaccine is propagated in WI-38 human diploid lung fibroblasts that were obtained from two fetuses aborted in 1964.

See description section second paragraph:

http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM123789.pdf

Yes sorry so I did see what you seen in this paper and yes it was written in 2014, therefore it may seem that the article is a recent and relevant article. However as a public health and health educator I am trained to look at why is this article written, and I would like to point out a couple falacies in their argument. 1. Any researcher with a valid finding always put their name on all their work. 2. Like any business the organization who funded this paper is out to get everyone to buy third product. In this case it is a private healthcare company who wants to be the top in the world. But these first two reasons do not compare with my 3rd reason. 3. The references whiched they used were journal articlesthe dates range from the mid 1960's to the late 1990's. This is information that is 20-40years old and more then likely the ingredients of the vaccination you received then you daughter.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/additives.htm
http://www.ovg.ox.ac.uk/vaccine-ingredients
http://www.phac-aspc.gc.ca/im/vs-sv/vs-faq14-eng.php

These sites show what is in a vaccine today

 

[outsidethecamp]

Join the "No Child Left Unmedicated", movement.

 

[IHOM]

Ideally i would like a catholic theocracy

 

[ebia]

Ideally i would like a catholic theocracy

Can you give an example of one of those that does or has worked?

 

[IHOM]

The vatican state

 

[ebia]

The vatican state

That doesn't have a real population or any of the issues of a normal country, so it doesn't provide a useful model.

Try again.

 

[IHOM]

It does have population and perhaps it dosnt have the issues because it works... but

Give me an example where elee its been tried

 

[ebia]

It does have population

Not a real one. 800 people who are there because they work for the government and are only citizens while they do so.

and perhaps it dosnt have the issues because it works... but

It works because it's just one big government department. It doesn't have to do any of the things a normal country has to do.

 

[IHOM]

Tell me another catholic theocracy then

Why wouldnt a catholic theocracy work